Beef is correct on lugging...any application it's a bad idea.
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50-160 My car on 93 vs vortech car with cat deletes, boss IM, exhaust, and CAI. The mighty centri that was supposed to pull me up top got held off.OMG, you take everything to the extreme.... just to try to prove your point.
OBVIOUSLY a car should downshift. I'm saying that a car factory tuned with more low end power wouldn't downshift as much or quite as soon as the same car with less low end power, dont take my statement too far. 3500rpms is NOT lugging dangerously. Why cant you just admit that the pd blower has better mid range power. You just cant, without saying that it's gonna shrapnel your motor immediately and everyone is wrong if they think otherwise. If PD blowers were SOOO bad, why do they make them and why do a LOT of shops still run them? There is a difference between having an opinion and being opinionated. You are opinionated. If someone doesn't agree with you, you feel the need to tell them they are wrong by using general sayings (ex.-lugging). It seems like everyone else in here has agreed that both setups have their benefits and you have to pick whichever suits you best, except you. I understand you have to try to sell what you sell, but all us PD guys are NOT wrong I'm out of this thread, it's just the same argument over and over and over. Some people can be open-minded about it and obviously we wont convince others to be.
Before I leave, I will just say this one more time... I am NOT saying TVS is better than centri, I am saying you need to decide which is best for you... and they BOTH have their advantages.
If this was the case, on manuals why do they put the skip shift on cars... Not only did the 6 speeds do this 1st -4th which lugs the motor.. ( I know this is not on the 13-14s) but other cars have it also)vettes,camaro etc......I don't agree with that, even on an n/a engine, if the tranny never downshifted, you'd tear the motor apart quite a bit sooner
OMG, you take everything to the extreme.... just to try to prove your point.
OBVIOUSLY a car should downshift. I'm saying that a car factory tuned with more low end power wouldn't downshift as much or quite as soon as the same car with less low end power, dont take my statement too far. 3500rpms is NOT lugging dangerously. Why cant you just admit that the pd blower has better mid range power. You just cant, without saying that it's gonna shrapnel your motor immediately and everyone is wrong if they think otherwise. If PD blowers were SOOO bad, why do they make them and why do a LOT of shops still run them? There is a difference between having an opinion and being opinionated. You are opinionated. If someone doesn't agree with you, you feel the need to tell them they are wrong by using general sayings (ex.-lugging). It seems like everyone else in here has agreed that both setups have their benefits and you have to pick whichever suits you best, except you. I understand you have to try to sell what you sell, but all us PD guys are NOT wrong I'm out of this thread, it's just the same argument over and over and over. Some people can be open-minded about it and obviously we wont convince others to be.
Before I leave, I will just say this one more time... I am NOT saying TVS is better than centri, I am saying you need to decide which is best for you... and they BOTH have their advantages.
Yeah and the guy had 690 whp , how long was that supposed to last
Read the post mmr post they see twice as many compared to centris
You can't go wrong with either IMO. The selling point for me was I saved close to $2000 over the base TVS and Whipple tuner kits. I would of upgraded to the 2.9 whipple and needed an intake and throttle body to take advantage of the bigger blower, so going with the Paxton made my savings even better. When you add in the way these cars are geared and how high they rev, it made it a no brainer.
Another thing I like about the Paxton is there's no chance I'll ever max it out. I've had a few blowers over the years and when you start getting close to maxxing them out you start to find out heat becomes a big issue and belt slip becomes really annoying. Since the Paxton already comes with a pretty good intercooler I won't have to upgrade it and I hopefully won't ever run into belt slip since I'll never go to a really small pulley. So I get to save money on cooling mods and solving belt slip issues. The Paxton might not be the best blower in everyones opinion, but it is hands down the best bang for the buck.
Here is some recent data for you all...
These are two street trim cars similar to the way most of you are running.
Blue Line:
Roush TVS car M6 w/ 3.31s, 80mm pulley, 47lb injectors, JLT 123, LTHs no cats
Red Line:
Vortech M6 w/ 3.31s, stock pulley, Boss Intake, 47lb injectors, JLT, LTHs w/ Kooks Green Cats
Not completely identical set-ups but close enough for a good comparison. The bump at the end of the Vortech run is Jim pushing in the clutch before he ended the run-file on the dyno. Both made 12psi peak boost. These are SAE numbers.
See the massive torque gains the TVS has over the Vortech throughout the power curve. At 4k RPMs its nearly a 100WTQ difference. They only meet at the very end of the run...On this race, my money is on the TVS.
You can't go wrong with either IMO. The selling point for me was I saved close to $2000 over the base TVS and Whipple tuner kits. I would of upgraded to the 2.9 whipple and needed an intake and throttle body to take advantage of the bigger blower, so going with the Paxton made my savings even better. When you add in the way these cars are geared and how high they rev, it made it a no brainer.
Another thing I like about the Paxton is there's no chance I'll ever max it out. I've had a few blowers over the years and when you start getting close to maxxing them out you start to find out heat becomes a big issue and belt slip becomes really annoying. Since the Paxton already comes with a pretty good intercooler I won't have to upgrade it and I hopefully won't ever run into belt slip since I'll never go to a really small pulley. So I get to save money on cooling mods and solving belt slip issues. The Paxton might not be the best blower in everyones opinion, but it is hands down the best bang for the buck.
It makes a ton more torque but unless if you don't have some good rubber and it actually looks like it starts losing steam on the big end. The paxton continues to pull.....Wonder what the graph looks like at 7500rpm? Anyone can type on a graph to 12psi but where's the actually boost numbers? Hell my paxton dyno was 6900rpm at 7lbs of boost and put down 600rwhp....just saying.
It makes a ton more torque but unless if you don't have some good rubber and it actually looks like it starts losing steam on the big end. The paxton continues to pull.....Wonder what the graph looks like at 7500rpm? Anyone can type on a graph to 12psi but where's the actually boost numbers? Hell my paxton dyno was 6900rpm at 7lbs of boost and put down 600rwhp....just saying.
It makes a ton more torque but unless if you don't have some good rubber and it actually looks like it starts losing steam on the big end. The paxton continues to pull.....Wonder what the graph looks like at 7500rpm? Anyone can type on a graph to 12psi but where's the actually boost numbers? Hell my paxton dyno was 6900rpm at 7lbs of boost and put down 600rwhp....just saying.