Yeah all you will get in response is an add. Im not sur whether the rotor timing hurts or helps either IMO. I do know my car gained power when i removed the tq plate and had the inlet reworked.
Steigemeier Stage V Torque Plate Issues
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Yeah all you will get in response is an add. Im not sur whether the rotor timing hurts or helps either IMO. I do know my car gained power when i removed the tq plate and had the inlet reworked.
Changing the rotor timing puts more squeeze on the charge. Theres a supercharging book by HP books that explains it. Its nothing new, rebuilders have been doing it for years:beer:
no time for him to post up a good honest response about a solution but he got time to post up some negative comments about his " "competitor" " on his webpage today. i don't like those types of business practices. :nonono:
rotor timing in degrees. HAHA. There is like 6 thousands of an inch clearance between the rotors. They then set a lead and trail clearance with this.
when we rebuilt mine AT EATON I think we shot for 2 lean and 4 trail. or it could have been the other way around.
I'll email my friend that is a eaton supercharger tech and get more info on this.
when we rebuilt mine AT EATON I think we shot for 2 lean and 4 trail. or it could have been the other way around.
I'll email my friend that is a eaton supercharger tech and get more info on this.
Where the heck is Steig? I think this is bs that these threads have been going on, and on like this with no public anouncements, or help from him - other than more copies of his latest ad!:bash:
I just posted in his "sticky ads" at the top of the main page asking him this same question. Maybe he will notice there, since he has taken the time to answer questions in those threads yesterday, and even today!:rollseyes
I just posted in his "sticky ads" at the top of the main page asking him this same question. Maybe he will notice there, since he has taken the time to answer questions in those threads yesterday, and even today!:rollseyes
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Is all you need to do is call or email us and we will find out your blower information, we are running the original TQ plate on our Cobra and our Shelby GT500 has the newer one.
There has been ZERO engine failures, intercooler failures, or any other problems other than the small cracks and we have fixed ALL of them for anyone who contacted us.
We have worked to hard to get where we are today and went above and beyond for our customer's, potential customer's and even those who have never spend a dime with us.
The newer plates/welds are pictured.
Thank you
Stiegemeier
636-949-2275
[email protected]
StiegeSplash
There has been ZERO engine failures, intercooler failures, or any other problems other than the small cracks and we have fixed ALL of them for anyone who contacted us.
We have worked to hard to get where we are today and went above and beyond for our customer's, potential customer's and even those who have never spend a dime with us.
The newer plates/welds are pictured.
Thank you
Stiegemeier
636-949-2275
[email protected]
StiegeSplash
LOL. We just arent gonna get answers guys. Its up to the community to take care of this problem ourselves apparently.
I just hope SID takes note of this. I know he will.
I just hope SID takes note of this. I know he will.
You are correct, as Steig was dominant in ports for years. Repairing the cracks is great, but the question is what is causing them or when was the manufacture date of concern? Basically any Stg. V owner is in the dark unless they pull the blower off. Can you narrow it to a specific serial number sequence?
IMO, you are treating this as a TSB and not like a production Recall. With all of you stage V's out there, how many guys are questioning whether or not theirs will "crack"? You built a good part of your business on this site posting and informing, so the old "call us" if you have concerns is odd.
IMO, you are treating this as a TSB and not like a production Recall. With all of you stage V's out there, how many guys are questioning whether or not theirs will "crack"? You built a good part of your business on this site posting and informing, so the old "call us" if you have concerns is odd.
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They all need to be taken off and checked. IMO removed completely. The welding of 6061 alloy to cast is the problem as I see it. Its just not very strong. It will work fine in some applications but imo this is too extreme.
The addition of proper material is a huge plus as well as the added amount of weld. However I still would not trust the strength of the welds.
Its just not strong. Its just too much risk and not enough benefit. I dont care if it made me lose 30rwhp. I would take it off.
Ive said it before and this is the last time Ill say it. You can take my advice or let it alone. Its up to you. TAKE THE PLATE OFF. Its not worth it. There will be more failures. There are guys riding around right now with tq plates flapping around in their blower and god knows what else.
Welding 6061 to cast is not strong enough imo to handle the stress/heat of an HEATON blower.
Ive welded cast aluminum and steel and its just not strong. Ive seen it crack just as fast as I could weld it.
Im an AWS-D1.1 Certified welder. 3G-Vertical/unlimited.
Hey nobody is perfect. Everbody makes mistakes. We can solve this problem if we all work together. Im really discouraged by Stiegemeier's lack of answers to very ligitimate questions.
Telling people to call in is not answers. People want to know what he intends to do about folks that have to r&r their blower. We dont need to be told there is a problem. We know that. We dont need to be told what run the blower is(early/late). They are all subject to failure and should all be removed and checked. Period.
My stage 5 was installed in February 2009 and Stieg said mine had the updated sturdier, torque plate and was not in danger of damage to the engine or supercharger. If I still had concerns, he said I could bring it in to check it out and get a free dyno pull to make sure it is top notch. I'm relying on his expertise, but in light of all the controversy, I believe I will have it checked.
I don't know the legitimacy of the photos and opinions that have been posted, although I suspect they are accurate. Having said that, I felt the proper approach was to contact Stiegemeier and they have responded appropriately.
If the first blowers were not ready for distribution or the entire innovation was a bad design, as long as he makes it right, I'm good with it (Remember Ford Pinto & Crown Vic fires, Firestone Tires, Toyota gas pedals, dangerous children's toys, etc.) Lets not forget Stiegs porting has benefited at great number of people.
I'm for competition and it sounds like posi has made a reputation for himself. We need Stiegemeier, too. I'm in the same boat as a lot of you and I hope my stage 5 is a stud. Regardless, he's working with me, so I'll let you know how it goes...
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Dwight, you have a PM.
you just said it right there though. imagine if everyone with a crown vic that had a fire had to call Ford and explain their situation one by one? no one would know how each other was getting the problem solved or what was being done to fix it. only the individuals would know how THEIR problem was fixed. not to mention what a PITFA that would be for the buyer.
The problem I see here, as I always have, is the one man army. Monopolies have historically drowned innovation within their industries, causing consumers to pay higher prices for (sometimes) inferior products. Those outside the monopoly have little incentive to create new methods or products because they would not have that opportunity to exploit and gain from their new ideas in the environment of a monopoly because of the one man army. They got scared, driven away or bought.
We are a HUGE community...the biggest online and when we praise something, EVERYONE listens. When someone knows they are IT, they do as they please, makes changes how they want and act as they feel because they are IT. Where else is there to go? No one on here will deny they are in a business to make money, but how many will say they are in it to please the customer no matter what the circumstance?
People want to come at me and say "oh thats your typical response" and "oh your just a hater anyways". I ran a stage 4 for 3 years!!!!! After some experiences and friends experiences I looked at the situation a little deeper. Most people on here just follow suit. Thats just how it is. Thats why I have a deeper opinion to post most of the time as I think there is much more to this than most people see.
I see this as a HUGE problem for anyone that owns a stage 5 reguardless of the "revision". from all the info on here, the plate vibrates and flexes and will eventually crack the welds no matter how "long" it is. And coming form a metal expert, welding alum stock to cast is BAD. Where is the explanation on why thats done for the community? and why it's ok?
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I agree with this 100%. Air can be extremely powerful. I am a research assistant at a civil engineering lab and sometimes we load slabs, floor plates, etc. by using air pressure for an uniform loading. 17psi does not sound like a lot of pressure but that is nearly 2500 pounds per sq. foot. We are talking about large pressures on a 1/8th inch plate. This would also cause moderate deflections during boosting. (think about a coupler expanding during boost or blowing off)
Further, not only is the cast-6061 aluminum weld an issue but, welds are generally very brittle and do not respond well to fatigue (cyclic) loading. Much similar to how these cars go in and out of boost in typical daily driving situations for most owners. :burnout:
Brian (posi) tried this on his blower and it did not improve performance as mentioned previously. But if you notice how brian made the plates they are welded around the bypass valve and to the bypass valve housing thereby increasing the number of brace points (spanning half the blower valley) which transfers the plate load to the blower housing. However, after recent inspection he has also seen crack initiation in the welds. Clearly welding a plate to the case below the rotors will not work
This is just my take on the situation. I do not have a ported blower and really have no dog in this fight Just give my opinoin on what happened. If it was my blower I would most likely take the plate off.
Thanks,
Drew
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amen.
Man, I am glad I went with a Whipple.
Some very good information here.
Some very good information here.
It would be easier to make an official statement with the dates of the ones involved in this. :shrug:
Actually you should call or email all the ones that are affected by it. Not everyone that has a stage 5 port is on this site.
I just got a warning here from LL for posting these basic questions in Steig's stick threads (which were subsequently deleted). I apologized in a return pm to LL, who said that I was "just trying to start crap". Just so everyone knows, I am not, nor have ever been a troublemaker here, but this is an issue that needs to be dealt with, and I feel like I really can't say anything more on this subject without being banned here.:rollseyes I honestly thought that all of the rants over on modfords were bullshit, and coming from people that were actual troublemakers anyway, now I see that you are fine here, as long as you don't publicly voice a strong opinion about the vendors here. This is not a problem for me, per say, because I understand that this is a business too, and the vendors pay the bills, but come on? At what point do the moderators speak to the said vendors, and warn them about not stepping up to the plate? I know that Steig says to call in, and I've heard that they have actually re-worked many of these blowers already, which is awesome. The problem that I have is that he (Steig) won't address this to the group as whole, even though the problem is not isolated. As someone else pointed out, it is a big pain in the ass to have each and every person have to call in individually, just to tell him the same exact thing! I would think that would be a big problem for them as well, just having to deal with all of the phone calls from those who have a documented issue, as well as those who haven't pulled the blower yet, but are afraid the issue will affect them also.
LL, if you read this, please know that my posts in this thread, and elsewhere are not to start crap - I just want to make sure that this doesn't just get swept under the rug! For what it's worth, I do have a dog in this fight too, as I have a beautifully polished stage 5 sitting on top of my engine right now, that it is absolutely killing me to think about taking back off again! It's not that it is a hard job, but when you are very busy, as a lot of us are with work, family, etc., there isn't always a lot of time to devote to having to re-do stuff that should be done already. This what really makes me angry! I had my car apart all of last season, because I was honestly too busy to finish it, and with the economy as it is, I was not wanting to turn any jobs away for fear that it would all dry up. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation, either.
Sorry for the long post!
Brian
LL, if you read this, please know that my posts in this thread, and elsewhere are not to start crap - I just want to make sure that this doesn't just get swept under the rug! For what it's worth, I do have a dog in this fight too, as I have a beautifully polished stage 5 sitting on top of my engine right now, that it is absolutely killing me to think about taking back off again! It's not that it is a hard job, but when you are very busy, as a lot of us are with work, family, etc., there isn't always a lot of time to devote to having to re-do stuff that should be done already. This what really makes me angry! I had my car apart all of last season, because I was honestly too busy to finish it, and with the economy as it is, I was not wanting to turn any jobs away for fear that it would all dry up. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation, either.
Sorry for the long post!
Brian
My opinion in sections,
1. There are WAY WAY more crown vics that stage 5 blowers. That is not a good comparison.
2. Community? So, Praise and everyone listen?
The community didn't buy stage 5 blowers, Individuals did. So let them call as Bob said and individually handle their situation.
They will then either come back with PRAISE.
Or come back with more threads like these.
What makes everyone think that Bob or ANY business owes them an explination on why he designed something?
The only people at this point that should feel that way is the owners of stage 5 blowers.
Last one, Re read what I just said.
Bob posted how he wants to try to handle this, 1 on 1 with the owners.
Before you crucify him and DEMAND shit as some have lets see what happens.
Did anyone with a Stage 5 actually call the man yet?
How bout bitching at them for procrastinating.
I'm done with my soap box now I have to go to work but this same old "Where is our Explination crap over and over is enough.
That wasn't what this thread was even supposed to be about.
And you people wonder why some post/threads get closed/deleted.
I just dont see how this ISNT a big deal to you guys. look at the facts givin here. they WILL crack. not an chance of, but will. It's an inferior part of a stage 5 that has Ill effects on the cars performance. the resonating, flexing whatever you want to call it is alot of stress on aluminum stock. The issue needs to be addressed for current and future potential owners. And it has been known for sometime otherwise there wouldnt be a "new" welding procedure.
+2 amen
^^^^Yep, my brotha from anotha matha
I think Bob has indirectly taken accountability of early Stage 5 failures in his above post. I respect that...
I'll be an instigator here, I still want to hear the phone conversation for obvious reasons.
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