Stupidest Thing About 2020 GT500!

[03Sssnake]

I can't believe people are bitching about the price of a car that they haven't released pricing on yet.

correct, we do not know msrp, but I am betting it will be north of the 350R and that's just the base car...All the dealers around the Houston area love ADMs and after 3 ****ing years you can finally find a 350 without 10-20K markups around here.

 

[03Sssnake]

How long before MGW or any other aftermarket shifter company comes out with an improved shifter, would that make anyone happy then?

it's a DCT transmission, there will never be a shifter unless Ford eventually offers a manual transmission.

 

[mc01svt]

the stupidest thing by far is its 3yrs too late. This car would have been awesome as a 2016 model year, now with the demon, redeye and ZL1 1LE it brings nothing new to the table.

Within 12 months of this car going on sell we will have a dohc Z28 with 700hp NA, the Zl1 possibly being upgraded with the LT5 (755hp) and rumors of a 950hp "angel" charger

 

[lilcoop03]

I agree the rotary dial looks out of place on this car--no contest there. However, if the DCT in the GT500 is anything like the one in my current car (F80 M3), the parking pawls do not engage until the car is stationary and the engine is turned off. A lot of people expect a DCT to mimic a traditional automatic transmission--which is not the case. The DCT definitely mimics a manual transmission (as it should, it's a constant mesh gearbox with sliders, forks and synchros for each gear).

I was a bit resistant to the idea of losing the clutch pedal, but I quickly got over that notion. Want to do a massive burnout? Smash the gas pedal. The car revs and drops the clutch without any drama (aside from violent wheelspin). Want to keep the burnout going? Grab the paddle and the next gear is instantly engaged: there is no gap in the stripes on the road. Want to do a controlled launch? Engage launch control, floor the car, release a paddle when you're ready to go. The DCT is badass and I do not miss the 3rd pedal at all--which was a surprise.

The downsides: the car does remind you it's not a torque-converter driven automatic. At slow speeds, the DCT can be a bit clunky and it's really difficult to make the car crawl at slow speeds (such as when backing into a garage or parking spot). Those are the only time I wish I could control the clutch. But trust me, the good far outweighs the bad.

I happen to actually really like the DCT, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see it in the GT500. Most, if not all, of the behaviors of the DCT in my car is due to the programming. So, let's hope Ford doesn't mess this up too bad. Let's also hope the Tremec box is reliable.

So, I guess it doesn't have an idle speed when you release the brake pedal? You have to press the gas to make the car move at all? Forgive my ignorance as I've never driven a DCT, but I have to assume this as there is not TC and you mentioned clunky low speeds.

 

[HISSMAN]

I think the issue with most people is that it isn't the car that they were hoping for. This could go one of two ways for Ford. My issue is that most people, and I would wager that it is the majority, wanted an improved 2013-2014 GT500, with all the rawness that it was known for included. This car will indeed be fast, but how much faster? The IRS is a bit of a hinderance with hard launches. So it has that against it. Then there is the fact that it will weigh more than the 13-14. Of this I have no doubt. My S550 GT weighs as much as my 2014 GT500. So to think that this will be lighter than a Trinity GT500 is just not possible. It has a few things going for it, and against it. So, it will probably be a wash.
I don't doubt that they well sell for MSRP, but the dealers will most likely cause the sale of these to begin to falter after the initial launch.

 

[03cobra#694]

it's a DCT transmission, there will never be a shifter unless Ford eventually offers a manual transmission.

I sensed sarcasm in his post...I hope.

 

[03Sssnake]

I sensed sarcasm in his post...I hope.

you sensed correctly..

 

[big dad]

I sensed sarcasm in his post...I hope.

Winner winner chicken dinner. If I do something like this again I'll be sure to include snark in my post.

 

[Silverstrike]

the stupidest thing by far is its 3yrs too late. This car would have been awesome as a 2016 model year, now with the demon, redeye and ZL1 1LE it brings nothing new to the table.

Within 12 months of this car going on sell we will have a dohc Z28 with 700hp NA, the Zl1 possibly being upgraded with the LT5 (755hp) and rumors of a 950hp "angel" charger

Yeah and remember how Dodge promised to get tough with ADM bloodsucking dealers over the Demon. What did they really do was oh we'll just move you farther down on the list like that was such a punishment.

What one of the big three really needs to do to finally get rid of the ADM for good is to black list any dealer doing it, where they will never again sell any specialty vehicle. The only thing they would sell is a bunch of stripped down V6 rental fleet vehicles only. And to tell the rest that play the game the right way that if they trade any specialty vehicle to these greedy morons then they too will be the same way. That would finally put an end to the ADM for good. As the ones that don't do it will have the ability and the ones that do will be basically out of business.

 

[GoingHaam]

The price of this GT500 is why I will quietly begin moving my way to a Camaro or Dodge if/when I want a factory monster. Somewhere along the line, post 2014 Ford all of the sudden thought they were a Ferrari manufacturer. I think the Ford GT got to their heads a bit.

The moment the V6 Expedition went OVER $80k+, i knew ford lost touch with reality

With all the complaints about the rotary shifter, what is the alternative? A flimsy plastic console shifter? Push button? Column? Its all electronic anyways, so why mess with a lever shifter that takes up space and wears out over time?

I dont hate the rotary, but They could have just done without the rotor all together and used the paddles only, but considering the car is already 5 yrs old, i dont expect the to redesign the entire interior to make it fit.

the stupidest thing by far is its 3yrs too late. This car would have been awesome as a 2016 model year, now with the demon, redeye and ZL1 1LE it brings nothing new to the table.

Within 12 months of this car going on sell we will have a dohc Z28 with 700hp NA, the Zl1 possibly being upgraded with the LT5 (755hp) and rumors of a 950hp "angel" charger

Totally agree this car is a bit late to the game... Ford could have initially just supercharged GT350 (and badged it as a GT500) when it was release. and saved the DCT for the next gen GT500

 

[94RedCobra]

Dodge seemed to figure it out...

I agree the rotary dial looks out of place on this car--no contest there. However, if the DCT in the GT500 is anything like the one in my current car (F80 M3), the parking pawls do not engage until the car is stationary and the engine is turned off. A lot of people expect a DCT to mimic a traditional automatic transmission--which is not the case. The DCT definitely mimics a manual transmission (as it should, it's a constant mesh gearbox with sliders, forks and synchros for each gear).

I was a bit resistant to the idea of losing the clutch pedal, but I quickly got over that notion. Want to do a massive burnout? Smash the gas pedal. The car revs and drops the clutch without any drama (aside from violent wheelspin). Want to keep the burnout going? Grab the paddle and the next gear is instantly engaged: there is no gap in the stripes on the road. Want to do a controlled launch? Engage launch control, floor the car, release a paddle when you're ready to go. The DCT is badass and I do not miss the 3rd pedal at all--which was a surprise.

The downsides: the car does remind you it's not a torque-converter driven automatic. At slow speeds, the DCT can be a bit clunky and it's really difficult to make the car crawl at slow speeds (such as when backing into a garage or parking spot). Those are the only time I wish I could control the clutch. But trust me, the good far outweighs the bad.

I happen to actually really like the DCT, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see it in the GT500. Most, if not all, of the behaviors of the DCT in my car is due to the programming. So, let's hope Ford doesn't mess this up too bad. Let's also hope the Tremec box is reliable.

With all the complaints about the rotary shifter, what is the alternative? A flimsy plastic console shifter? Push button? Column? Its all electronic anyways, so why mess with a lever shifter that takes up space and wears out over time?

 

[9397SVTs]

Not sure about the $90k (or whatever it ends up being), but whatever the ADM amounts to isn't stupidity - it's greed, pure and simple.

Rotary switches for controlling any facet of transmission operation is just wrong ergonomically.


Norm

Here is what's stupid: we, as Mustang enthusiasts, allow dealers to get away with ADM/MVA. People seem to be willing to pay whatever to have one. If the Mustang community would collectively refuse to pay these mark-up's and let the cars sit on the lots, perhaps it could create a change. I just can't understand people paying above and beyond the value of a depreciating item.

What happens if your new car gets totaled and you paid MSRP and a ADM/MVA? What's the insurance value? Are you now upside down tens of thousands of dollars? I don't know, just curious. It's something to think about.

 

[Norm Peterson]

Ford GT has the same thing. People don't seem to make as big of a fuss about that one.

Too far out of most peoples' budgets for them to even care about.


Norm

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

If I heard right, the reason it took longer for the GT500 was because it was developed by the team who did the FGT. So they had to finish the FGT snd then move onto the GT500. They only have so many people that can develop and test these cars. Im sure it is not easy to do but Ford Performance should expand and hire more engineers so they can get these vehicles to market faster.

 

[blk02edge]

I think the issue with most people is that it isn't the car that they were hoping for. This could go one of two ways for Ford. My issue is that most people, and I would wager that it is the majority, wanted an improved 2013-2014 GT500, with all the rawness that it was known for included. This car will indeed be fast, but how much faster? The IRS is a bit of a hinderance with hard launches. So it has that against it. Then there is the fact that it will weigh more than the 13-14. Of this I have no doubt. My S550 GT weighs as much as my 2014 GT500. So to think that this will be lighter than a Trinity GT500 is just not possible. It has a few things going for it, and against it. So, it will probably be a wash.
I don't doubt that they well sell for MSRP, but the dealers will most likely cause the sale of these to begin to falter after the initial launch.

The Demon is irs.. This car will be tits in all metrics not just corners, with bolt ons im sure itll be running trains on most Demons on pump gas. But I guess its a total fail because it wont be bahn stock

 

[Silverstrike]

Here is what's stupid: we, as Mustang enthusiasts, allow dealers to get away with ADM/MVA. People seem to be willing to pay whatever to have one. If the Mustang community would collectively refuse to pay these mark-up's and let the cars sit on the lots, perhaps it could create a change. I just can't understand people paying above and beyond the value of a depreciating item.

What happens if your new car gets totaled and you paid MSRP and a ADM/MVA? What's the insurance value? Are you now upside down tens of thousands of dollars? I don't know, just curious. It's something to think about.

yes and no the 10-20 K ADM yes you are out of that but your insurance or the other guilty parties would cover the MSRP of said vehicle.

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

Here is what's stupid: we, as Mustang enthusiasts, allow dealers to get away with ADM/MVA. People seem to be willing to pay whatever to have one. If the Mustang community would collectively refuse to pay these mark-up's and let the cars sit on the lots, perhaps it could create a change. I just can't understand people paying above and beyond the value of a depreciating item.

What happens if your new car gets totaled and you paid MSRP and a ADM/MVA? What's the insurance value? Are you now upside down tens of thousands of dollars? I don't know, just curious. It's something to think about.

That's why you get GAP insurance.

 

[9397SVTs]

yes and no the 10-20 K ADM yes you are out of that but your insurance or the other guilty parties would cover the MSRP of said vehicle.

That's what I was thinking.

 

[ZYBORG]

ADMs suck, no doubt about it. But it is a capitalist society. Why sell something for MSRP, when you have hundreds of people willing to pay you thousands more? You would be dumb to sell at MSRP. The market sets the price, not the manufacturer.

If you want one now, you have to compete / pay to play.

 

[9397SVTs]

That's why you get GAP insurance.

Or, perhaps, not pay the ADM/MVA.