The HARD TRUTH about EVs

[Weather Man]

Ford Motor Co (NYSE:F) is recalling over 125,000 hybrid electric vehicles, citing an increased risk of fire.

What Happened: As per the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration website, the 125,322 affected vehicles include certain 2020-2023 Escape, 2022-2023 Maverick, and 2021-2023 Corsair vehicles. The vehicles are either hybrid electric vehicles or plug-in hybrid electric vehicles.

The engine may fail prematurely, causing engine oil and/or fuel vapor to leak near ignition sources, increasing the risk of fire, Ford said. The automaker is yet to identify a possible remedy to the issue and expects it to be available by the fourth quarter.

The company has also advised users to shut off the engine in case of unexpected engine noises, vehicle power reduction, or smoke.

 

[Klaus]

A little rant relating to the biggest EV simp that I know, who I think is representative of the dysfunction of the EV market in general.

He drives a piece of shit Nissan versa, which he is now replacing with a Mitsubishi Outlander with 100k miles. He has a ton of money but is cheap as ****.

Somehow we got on the topic of EVs. Maybe I chided him for not buying a Rivian instead of the POS Mitsubishi.

He knows nothing about trucks. I had to explain to him the difference between a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton. He thinks a "dodge truck" is a category of truck onto itself.

Never you mind, he spends a lot of time on twitter. So he is an expert. So much that he decides to lecture me on the truck market.

You see, EV trucks are going to take over the market in the near future. You see, most people that have trucks don't actually use them for truck stuff all the time. So all of the weaknesses of EVs really aren't weaknesses. He knows this because he spends a lot of time on twitter. Never mind that he knows nothing about trucks or the truck consumer.

Most hilariously, as an EV simp he is does not have an EV and likely never will have one. Because he is cheap as ****. This is why he is buying a (LMFAO) used Mitsubishi Outlander.

But he is so confident in the adoption of EV trucks that he wants to bet me on it.

This is the market conundrum. The biggest EV retards do not know anything about the market. Normies have not interest in taking on a bunch of unknown risks with no actual value proposition. Enthusiasts generally hate them.

 

[*Jay*]

But he is so confident in the adoption of EV trucks that he wants to bet me on it.

So what was the bet???

 

[Klaus]

So what was the bet???

I did not even take it that far. As much as I would like to rip his face off I cannot for reasons that I wont get into.

This same person is also a vax simp and in June 2021 bet me that COVID cases would be lower in November 2021 than in June 2021. Of course he lost horribly although I never called the bet, which was lunch. Eating lunch with him would have been a net loss to me so I never even mentioned it.

 

[svtfocus2cobra]

A little rant relating to the biggest EV simp that I know, who I think is representative of the dysfunction of the EV market in general.

He drives a piece of shit Nissan versa, which he is now replacing with a Mitsubishi Outlander with 100k miles. He has a ton of money but is cheap as ****.

Somehow we got on the topic of EVs. Maybe I chided him for not buying a Rivian instead of the POS Mitsubishi.

He knows nothing about trucks. I had to explain to him the difference between a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton. He thinks a "dodge truck" is a category of truck onto itself.

Never you mind, he spends a lot of time on twitter. So he is an expert. So much that he decides to lecture me on the truck market.

You see, EV trucks are going to take over the market in the near future. You see, most people that have trucks don't actually use them for truck stuff all the time. So all of the weaknesses of EVs really aren't weaknesses. He knows this because he spends a lot of time on twitter. Never mind that he knows nothing about trucks or the truck consumer.

Most hilariously, as an EV simp he is does not have an EV and likely never will have one. Because he is cheap as ****. This is why he is buying a (LMFAO) used Mitsubishi Outlander.

But he is so confident in the adoption of EV trucks that he wants to bet me on it.

This is the market conundrum. The biggest EV retards do not know anything about the market. Normies have not interest in taking on a bunch of unknown risks with no actual value proposition. Enthusiasts generally hate them.

Well he just took on the risk of having his cat stolen. Outlanders are a hot one right now. I'm getting about 2-3/week from Enterprise which means the cats bring good money.

 

[Weather Man]

The wall is out there, even for the Green indoctrinated in the EU.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/

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Volkswagen scales back EV production​

Story by Greg Kable • Yesterday 11:58 AM


VW said demand for EVs is up to 30% below originally planned production figures© Autocar
Volkswagen has introduced measures to temporarily scale back production of electric models at one of its German plants.
According to the German car maker's work council, a shift at Volkswagen's Emden plant in Lower Saxony has been cancelled for the next two weeks in a lead-up to an extended four-week summer holiday period for workers on electric vehicle lines in July and August.

Among the models affected are the ID 4 SUV and early production of the ID 7 saloon. Details of the shortening of shifts were provided by Manfred Wulff, head of the works council for the Emden plant, in response to an inquiry from the German Press Agency and an earlier article published by the North West newspaper.
While the production of combustion-engine models, including the Volkswagen Passat, continues unchanged, the factory holidays for electric vehicle line workers have been extended by one week.
Additionally, Wulff says 300 of the current 1500 temporary workers employed at Volkswagen's Emden plant will not have their contracts renewed in August 2023. Employees were informed about the reduction in electric vehicle production on Monday.
Wulff indicates demand for electric vehicles is up to 30% below originally planned production figures.
“We are experiencing strong customer reluctance in the electric vehicle sector,” he told the North West newspaper.
Wulff said production of the ID 7 saloon had originally been planned to start in July but has now been delayed to “later this year”.
In a statement, a spokesperson for the Volkswagen Emden plant said: “We are confident that the plant's utilisation will increase again with the launch of the ID 7 at the end of the year.
Production of the internal-combustion-engine Passat is set to cease at Emden after 46 years when the ninth-generation model arrives later this year. Volkswagen has invested around €1 billion (£858 million) in the site for electric vehicle production.
In an interview with the North West newspaper, the minister of economic affairs for the state of Lower Saxony, Olaf Lies, commented on the measures introduced by Volkswagen at Emden, describing them as “understandable”.
"The registration numbers of electric vehicles continue to be high, but what concerns us is the current dip in demand - not only at Volkswagen but across all manufacturers," said Lies.
Lies has called for discussions on the implementation of new incentives for electric vehicle purchases, including a reduction in value-added tax.
Volkswagen currently produces EVs at four plants in Germany: Emden, Zwickau, Hanover and Dresden.

 

[Lambeau]

From the UK:

Electric cars 'cause TWICE as much road damage as petrol equivalents': Why Britain's pothole crisis could be worsened by the rise of EVs​

"A study led by the University of Leeds found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle - and 1.95 more than a diesel. Larger electric vehicles can cause up to 2.32 times more damage to roads."

"Researchers included smaller models such as the BMW Mini Cooper SE 3 Door, Peugeot e208, the Ford Focus Electric and Vauxhall Corsa-e, and larger ones, such as the Jaguar I-Pace and Audi e-tron 50 Quattro.

The analysis uses the 'fourth power formula' - a method adopted by highways engineers and researchers to assess damage on road surfaces caused by heavy vehicles. It reportedly means that if weight on a vehicle's axle is doubled, it can cause 16 times the amount of damage to a road."

"The University of Leeds assessed weights of 15 popular electric cars compared to their petrol equivalents and found the electric vehicles were on average 312kg heavier."

(312 kg = 687 lbs)

Source:

Britain's pothole crisis could be made worse by electric cars

A study led by the University of Leeds found the average electric car puts 2.24 times more stress on roads than a similar petrol vehicle - and 1.95 more than diesel.

www.thisismoney.co.uk

I read some other articles that stated since EVs are heavier, they may also get charged more for licenses and get banned from parking garages if they aren't already.

 

[Weather Man]

Say Goodbye To The $40,000 Silverado EV​

That's because, during a media first drive event of the Silverado EV, Chevrolet representatives told InsideEVs that the $39,900 Silverado EV WT won't be offered anymore, but at the same time promised that they would offer "competitively-priced" variants starting in 2024. This means that you are now left with just three variants of the Silverado EV with the base price now climbing to $74,800.

 

[Weather Man]

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Report: Feds Want to Track EVs to Tax Them Based on Miles Driven​

Story by Thom Taylor • 32m ago

As electric car sales increase, states’ revenue decreases. That’s because every state and the District of Columbia charges a gasoline consumption tax that’s part of the gas price to pay for road improvements, signage, bridge repairs, etc. So EVs are also in the spotlight to determine how they should pay. Now the feds are looking at ways to track you to charge taxes based on the number of miles driven. Does the country need an EV tax?

 

[Relaxed Chaos]

Damn, we dumb! We give tax rebates to buy them and then think about higher/different tax to own them. It's almost as if no one has thought this whole catastrophe through.

 

[Weather Man]

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EV Designed for Battery Swapping Drops Battery on Chinese Road​

Story by Fred Smith • 19m ago



The Ca0 Cao 60 is built by Geely and marketed for ride share applications. Here, it demonstrates a new type of nightmare you can have.© CarNewsChina / YouTube
Back in March, Lotus and Polestar parent company Geely announced a battery swap-capable, ride share-oriented new brand called Cao Cao Auto. A few months later, one of the brand's Cao Cao 60 cars appears to have dropped its swap-capable battery pack on a roadway.
In a video shared by CarNewsChina, a car that appears to be a Cao Ca0 60 can be seen down a surface road underneath an overpass with its decklid open. A few dozen feet behind, a battery pack can be seen sitting in the middle of the road. That is, presumably, the pack meant to be swapped out of the car. Since the failure itself was not recorded and the reason for the failure has not been documented, it is unclear what exactly could have caused the battery to fall out.

In addition to all of the obvious dangers that come with a battery large and dense enough to power an EV landing anywhere but inside of a car or a charging station, the battery itself both presents a major hazard for anyone on the road and turns a suddenly-immobilized EV into a hazard of its own. This particular battery is heavy, flat, and colored mostly in shades of gray that match the road. All of that makes it a dangerous piece of debris to find on a roadway, one that could destroy a car and, by being an active battery, make any crash recovery more dangerous.

 

[Lambeau]

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EV Designed for Battery Swapping Drops Battery on Chinese Road​

Story by Fred Smith • 19m ago


The Ca0 Cao 60 is built by Geely and marketed for ride share applications. Here, it demonstrates a new type of nightmare you can have.© CarNewsChina / YouTube
Back in March, Lotus and Polestar parent company Geely announced a battery swap-capable, ride share-oriented new brand called Cao Cao Auto. A few months later, one of the brand's Cao Cao 60 cars appears to have dropped its swap-capable battery pack on a roadway.
In a video shared by CarNewsChina, a car that appears to be a Cao Ca0 60 can be seen down a surface road underneath an overpass with its decklid open. A few dozen feet behind, a battery pack can be seen sitting in the middle of the road. That is, presumably, the pack meant to be swapped out of the car. Since the failure itself was not recorded and the reason for the failure has not been documented, it is unclear what exactly could have caused the battery to fall out.

In addition to all of the obvious dangers that come with a battery large and dense enough to power an EV landing anywhere but inside of a car or a charging station, the battery itself both presents a major hazard for anyone on the road and turns a suddenly-immobilized EV into a hazard of its own. This particular battery is heavy, flat, and colored mostly in shades of gray that match the road. All of that makes it a dangerous piece of debris to find on a roadway, one that could destroy a car and, by being an active battery, make any crash recovery more dangerous.

Because it was built in "Chyna"... lol.

 

[Klaus]

 

[Weather Man]

 

[Weather Man]

It was a brutal day for Ford’s electric vehicle (EV) sales. Two headlines stood out. Former Ford CEO Mark Fields, clearly bitter, made a strong point nevertheless. He told CNBC that people would not buy EVs because they are harder to charge than a gasoline-powered car when the driver fills his tank with gas. Other media pointed out that Ford’s EV sales fell 2.8% in the second quarter, compared to the same quarter a year ago.
Ford sold only 14,843 EVs in the second quarter. Part of the reason was a retooling of the plant that makes the Mach-E. Nevertheless, the fact that Ford did so poorly is remarkable. Its EV flagship F-150 Lighting sold 4,466. That was up 119%, but off such a minuscule base that the percentage means nothing. (These are every major automaker's plans to go electric.)

The other end of the EV story is how well Ford’s gas-powered vehicles did. F-Series sales were an extraordinary 212,516, up 34%. It is the best-selling vehicle in America. Sales of the high-volume Escape rose 29% to 43,690. Sales of the Bronco Sport rose 13% to 33,272.

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[Weather Man]

Pray I don't alter the deal further, says Xi.

The Texas-based electric vehicle (EV) and clean energy company run by Elon Musk made a socialist pledge to the Chinese auto industry, The Wall Street Journal reported.

The four-point pledge reportedly involved agreeing not to engage in "abnormal" pricing, to prioritize quality and not use false publicity. The plege promises to "take on the heavy responsibility of maintaining steady growth, strengthening confidence and preventing risk," according to the outlet.

The signing reportedly took place in Shanghai at a conference.

 

[SSSSSSSSSSSSVT]

The core issue with the manufacturers selling electric vehicles is that they now have entered the business of selling energy. With gas vehicles they never sold energy, high gas prices, low gas prices only had small impacts on overall sales. Now they are trying to sell energy- batteries- which the natural resources that are used to make the batteries fluctuate in cost greatly. Look at how energy prices go up and down like a yo-yo year over year and even month to month. IMO none of these automakers who have entered the energy market will survive if they continue this path. They are clueless.

 

[ChiSVT]

It’s all a big farce. I own an EV as my DD (Tesla Plaid) it’s cool, fun and fast, but it’s expensive to manufacture and buy, and far from cost efficient like they claim. My electric bill is going through the ****ing roof. Granted a part of it is I haven’t been scheduling my charging at off peak hours, it’s still way up. My electric bill has always been high because I keep my house freezing cold, but now it’s just insane.

This push to force people to use EV is total ****ing bullshit.

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[Weather Man]

Average new Ford transaction price now $55,711. The need to pay for EV's is a big factor in that number. Ford isn't the only OEM with this problem.

 

[HAMMRHEAD]

It’s all a big farce. I own an EV as my DD (Tesla Plaid) it’s cool, fun and fast, but it’s expensive to manufacture and buy, and far from cost efficient like they claim. My electric bill is going through the ****ing roof. Granted a part of it is I haven’t been scheduling my charging at off peak hours, it’s still way up. My electric bill has always been high because I keep my house freezing cold, but now it’s just insane.

This push to force people to use EV is total ****ing bullshit.

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So, figure you spent $143 to 'fuel' your Tesla for the month(June compared to July). Assuming your traveling a decent amount of miles each week in the Tesla, roughly $35/week doesn't sound insane to me at all.

How much did it (or would it) cost you to fuel your gas/diesel vehicle to travel the same distance over a month?