It’s not flashy, but it’s fairly cheap and generally sane so there is that.
Serious question: Who lives where it's NOT turning into a shithole?
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Everyone emptied out of their northern cities and moved to the coast. Life on a boat again is starting to sound pretty good.
Well I do live in California, so we know the state has issues. However the area I live in definitely isn't moving towards shithole status. South Orange County has always been clean and mostly crime free for as long as I've lived here (moved to Rancho Santa Margarita in 96 from Harleysville PA). RSM was always a planned community, so housing hasn't expanded. There are only 2 apartment complexes with low-income units and no more have been added. I worked with many people that lived there in my previous job, and they were mostly great. In the past RSM housing was more expensive because of the relative isolation of the city, but now it's just average but it doesn't attach as much trash as other places in OC because of the isolation. It's a massive majority red here. 16 and 20, at least 50% of houses had Trump signs or flags. I could count on one hand the number of Biden signs in 20.
East TX still saying conservative... For now.
It's not looking good in the next 5 years
It's not looking good in the next 5 years
Where I live it's not changing too quickly, but there are signs that I might need to move further out of town.
In the city I live near definite signs of shitholery. More homeless nests, more decaying infrastructure, more... colorful shootings (still not very many), more drug infested parks and public areas, residential housing decaying, little to no economic growth, etc.
In the city I live near definite signs of shitholery. More homeless nests, more decaying infrastructure, more... colorful shootings (still not very many), more drug infested parks and public areas, residential housing decaying, little to no economic growth, etc.
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At one point the insanity spread to a smaller park over by Tannersville. It wasn't nearly as fun and/or deadly as Vernon but alright I guess. Furthermore, that go-cart down a concrete track ride was quite popular in the Poconos during the 80's even when severe injury was more of a guarantee than not being injured.
did you ever go to the water park? The white rapids ride was absolute chaos and the best ****ing ride at the same time.
I actually never went to Action Park, hell it closed up (before the buy out at least) when I was like 5 years old.
I hear Easton is supposed to be the new hot bed of white supremacy these days, especially cause some dude made the news there a decade ago where he named his kid after hitler.
I'm looking at this as someone that was born and raised in Phoenix.
Many areas have become nicer but it's come at the expense of more people, worse traffic, and skyrocketing cost of living. My father bought his house in 1997 for $160k. The house directly behind him just sold for $2.25 million with the average hovering around a million. Gas is $5 /gal and because the city has grown so much driving long distances and sitting in horrific traffic is the new normal.
The people have changed too. Arizona used to be a friendly state. Cars would slow down for you as you crossed the street, drivers were patient, and everyone was friendly. Now cars try to force their way past you in parking lots, road rage is out of control, and pedestrians are seen as targets. Nobody is friendly anymore.
Speaking of people, activities have turned to shit. I took my son to the Farm at South Mountain a few weeks ago for breakfast. It's always been popular but there was plenty to do there to pass the time while waiting. Now there is a 100yd line of people waiting to order at a window to get food in a styrofoam takeout container, with everyone scrambling to find a dilapidated bench to sit on and eat. We waited 45 minutes, moved, no joke, 10 feet before saying screw it and leaving. The BLM land we grew up shooting on is now full of trash and overrun with idiots and grifters. Festivals and parades that were a staple of my youth are now so overcrowded that you have slim to no chance of even getting in. The Central light parade was so crowded the last time we parked miles away and hoofed it for 45 minutes and when we got there it was so packed we couldn't see anything.
When I was born Phoenix proper had a population of 600k and metro had a population of 1.1 million. Now, Phoenix proper is at 1.7 million and metro is getting ready to crest 5 million. Urban sprawl has ruined this state.
Our natural resources have all turned to shit too. Lake Pleasant is so drained from the water lease that our friends that still live on the lake are essentially dry docked because the water is too low to leave the marina. All of the tributaries we used to go along to see the bald eagles nesting are either dried up or closed. Fossil Creek is now permit only and when you do go there are so many people it's not enjoyable. Slide Rock, Frontier Days, Luke Days, camping spots, etc all have the same issue. Boondock camping has turned into homeless encampments. Hiking trails, same thing....forget it. It's like walking in a crowded mall. Homeless people have ruined every park in the city.
I could go on and on about why Phoenix has turned to shit. The TL;DR: Phoenix's rampant population growth turned a beautiful small city to a miserable metropolis wasteland.
Many areas have become nicer but it's come at the expense of more people, worse traffic, and skyrocketing cost of living. My father bought his house in 1997 for $160k. The house directly behind him just sold for $2.25 million with the average hovering around a million. Gas is $5 /gal and because the city has grown so much driving long distances and sitting in horrific traffic is the new normal.
The people have changed too. Arizona used to be a friendly state. Cars would slow down for you as you crossed the street, drivers were patient, and everyone was friendly. Now cars try to force their way past you in parking lots, road rage is out of control, and pedestrians are seen as targets. Nobody is friendly anymore.
Speaking of people, activities have turned to shit. I took my son to the Farm at South Mountain a few weeks ago for breakfast. It's always been popular but there was plenty to do there to pass the time while waiting. Now there is a 100yd line of people waiting to order at a window to get food in a styrofoam takeout container, with everyone scrambling to find a dilapidated bench to sit on and eat. We waited 45 minutes, moved, no joke, 10 feet before saying screw it and leaving. The BLM land we grew up shooting on is now full of trash and overrun with idiots and grifters. Festivals and parades that were a staple of my youth are now so overcrowded that you have slim to no chance of even getting in. The Central light parade was so crowded the last time we parked miles away and hoofed it for 45 minutes and when we got there it was so packed we couldn't see anything.
When I was born Phoenix proper had a population of 600k and metro had a population of 1.1 million. Now, Phoenix proper is at 1.7 million and metro is getting ready to crest 5 million. Urban sprawl has ruined this state.
Our natural resources have all turned to shit too. Lake Pleasant is so drained from the water lease that our friends that still live on the lake are essentially dry docked because the water is too low to leave the marina. All of the tributaries we used to go along to see the bald eagles nesting are either dried up or closed. Fossil Creek is now permit only and when you do go there are so many people it's not enjoyable. Slide Rock, Frontier Days, Luke Days, camping spots, etc all have the same issue. Boondock camping has turned into homeless encampments. Hiking trails, same thing....forget it. It's like walking in a crowded mall. Homeless people have ruined every park in the city.
I could go on and on about why Phoenix has turned to shit. The TL;DR: Phoenix's rampant population growth turned a beautiful small city to a miserable metropolis wasteland.
This is basically the same the same shit happening here. It sucks ass.
Living in rural Maine pretty much excludes any negative impact on living, outside of living in rural Maine. Lol.
The Xiden admin is starting to transport illegals into the State, but that is pretty much centered around Portland and other cities. Bangor Maine, about 15 miles away has a population of about 25K and has it's share of issues for a city that size. Maine is still about 94% White so it does not see a lot of "Diversity" that causes crime. I am sure that with the influx of illegals that the % of Whites will drop and a corresponding rise in crime will result.
At least we have Constitutional Carry.
The Xiden admin is starting to transport illegals into the State, but that is pretty much centered around Portland and other cities. Bangor Maine, about 15 miles away has a population of about 25K and has it's share of issues for a city that size. Maine is still about 94% White so it does not see a lot of "Diversity" that causes crime. I am sure that with the influx of illegals that the % of Whites will drop and a corresponding rise in crime will result.
At least we have Constitutional Carry.
I'm about 45 minutes south of Houston and the "urban flight" / influx of out-of-staters is growing more and more apparent. What were 50-100 acre plots of either row crop or cattle operations are being purchased by large national home builders that are throwing up cheaply build homes some of which the entire neighborhood are lease properties.
There's also a small yet noticeable increase of transients and non-citizen "refugees". I recall seeing the first panhandler about 2 years ago and was dumbfounded. We are an industrial type area and anyone that wants to do an honest days work for a reasonable wage can find a job and that goes without participating in retail or food service industries.
Regarding local politics or the education systems, I feel the area hasn't changed that much yet but can certainly see that evolving in time. We certainly don't have "big city" issues like Houston, Austin, Dallas or San Antonio but its moving this direction.
All I need is another 5-ish years and I'll be ready to relocate to the sticks and off the paved roads.
There's also a small yet noticeable increase of transients and non-citizen "refugees". I recall seeing the first panhandler about 2 years ago and was dumbfounded. We are an industrial type area and anyone that wants to do an honest days work for a reasonable wage can find a job and that goes without participating in retail or food service industries.
Regarding local politics or the education systems, I feel the area hasn't changed that much yet but can certainly see that evolving in time. We certainly don't have "big city" issues like Houston, Austin, Dallas or San Antonio but its moving this direction.
All I need is another 5-ish years and I'll be ready to relocate to the sticks and off the paved roads.
Brightline is about to put the dick to the Stuart area and the Okeechobee Waterway as soon as they start running 80-125 mph through, with up to 20 closings of the draw bridge a day. Effectively cutting off timely access to the ocean to all boating west of the Roosevelt Bridge over the St. Lucie River.
That and an intense push of high-density housing units combined with limited north/south routes throughout the area are making traffic a nightmare. In a matter of 25 years this has gone from a sleepy little coastal town to a jam packed cluster****.
Did I mention I HATE TRAFFIC?
Nope I’ve had some low income apartments go up in my city in the last few years and seen more riff raff floating in which is the domino effect leads to more crime and theft. It doesn’t bother you because you’re known at least in previous posts for leaning left probably a registered democrat too. So your opinion doesn’t mean shit to me and I could care less if mine does to you.
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Our area is an oasis 60 miles outside of DC. Population has doubled in 40 years to 15k. It boarders the richest County in the United States Loudoun County. Mostly farming with a lot of land in conservation easements. Years ago properties were given building right allotments if applied for called DUR's. If the property doesn't have any DUR's new housing can't be built. In fact there is a fund set up to buy un used DUR'S from current land owners at 60k each. We have beautiful views with great distance neighbors. 97% residents are American citizens. CLARKE county Va. Our second home is in Dansville NY. 6 hours away. 53 acres with 2 stocked ponds 50 percent wooded. Surrounded by woods and farm land owned by immediate family members. Spectacular views especially during 4th of July. Would live there but cold winters would make it rough. Virtually no change in area over the last 20 years. Time and change stand still.
My cousin has a home in Purcellville VA, love that area but its growing FAST.
My area is blowing up as well. Lots of new construction. People are fleeing urban areas in droves.
My cousin and her husband moved here from NYC. They’re kinda liberal but they’ve had enough. I’m helping them both get their pistol permits and teaching them how to shoot. Some of them can be saved.
I'm another hour and a half/2 hours southwest of you in the mountains overlooking the Shenandoah Valley...growing here, too...but not at the clip you describe. I'm locked...loaded...it'll be a while before they get out & up here to me...
The company I work for has a Phoenix office like 10 miles north of downtown off of I-17. I've met some of the younger guys from that office and was shocked at the rent they were paying to live in a decent apartment in Phoenix.
I've only ever spent a few days in Scottsdale and visited Tempe. Scottsdale seemed like a place that a family could live but I'm sure prices are crazy. Tempe obviously is a college town.
Spent more time in Lake Havasu City but that's mostly old people besides spring break. I do have family that live outside of Kingman, they are conservatives who escaped metro LA so they enjoy being there.
But ya, too much growth in too short of a time leads to problems. Madison, WI is much smaller than Phoenix but the it's the only location in the state that is gaining population at any decent rate and with that comes traffic concerns, crime concerns, schools scrambling to catch up, diversity issues, etc.
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