Wow, I'm sorry for all the trouble you're going through. Just curious, did you happen to take any pics of what you found?
got screwed on car sale by member! i need your help!
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I am getting on here just to clear up some confusion that seems to going around in this thread... First off I own the shop that Evil's car is at and I have done all the work fixing the loose ends on the car myself! When this car came to my shop, it came on a trailer the very same day Evil took delivery of it. We un loaded the car, took it for about a two or three mile test drive around town near my shop, then it was put on a hoist and my work started. At first the only reason Evil brought the car to me was to remove all the pushloc fuel hose and fittings and replace it with braided stainless and rewire the trans brake. So I got started but it seemed as though every time I touched something on the car I found another thing wrong with it so he gave me the go ahead to give the whole car a once over and fix anything that needed it... Evil lives over an hour from my shop so you can imagine how pissed he was when I called him to tell him the oil I drained from the car was grey in color and the IC res. was BONE DRY! I changed the oil and filled the IC res. and cycled the IC pump with a jumper wire. Evil then called me the next day looking to pick his car up and take it home thinking all was now good, but thats when the real problem showed ist ugly face. I went to start the car to pull it in front of my shop and when I turned the key it turned over really hard,when it finally started it was running like sh*t so I shut it off and got out to check things over only to find over a gallon of water on the floor under the car that got pumped out the exhaust! Well needless to say I then knew why the IC res. was empty (cracked IC) and I knew why the oil was milky (water) And yes it was water in the oil, I had it tested by a company called Test America.
Now I can assure you all that my shop is heated and NEVER gets below 55deg. nor have we had a night below freezing in southern WI in well over a month! Further more even ifEvil had taken and beat the sh*t out of that car with "old fuel" in it there is NO WAY IN HELL it would have caused this to happen! I removed the SC and IC yesterday and I found the car had 4 stock coils in it and 4 aftermarket, the plugs were as much as .015 off on gap from one to the next and what do ya know, a cracked IC end tank! This crack extends top to bottom and has been there a while as you can tell from the discolor and dirt that is in the crack! THIS CAR WAS SOLD WITH THE CRACK NO DOUBT! These are the facts!
I also invite any of you who dont believe this story to come to my shop and see the proof for yourself, I run a honest business not a fly by night hobby shop! So if you have nothing to do with the deal id bite my tongue if I was you and quit sticking up for a guy that clearly sold a car knowing it was damaged! I will be posting pics of the IC when I get a chance, and I invite any other questions or people who think this is bs to call me out!
Now I can assure you all that my shop is heated and NEVER gets below 55deg. nor have we had a night below freezing in southern WI in well over a month! Further more even ifEvil had taken and beat the sh*t out of that car with "old fuel" in it there is NO WAY IN HELL it would have caused this to happen! I removed the SC and IC yesterday and I found the car had 4 stock coils in it and 4 aftermarket, the plugs were as much as .015 off on gap from one to the next and what do ya know, a cracked IC end tank! This crack extends top to bottom and has been there a while as you can tell from the discolor and dirt that is in the crack! THIS CAR WAS SOLD WITH THE CRACK NO DOUBT! These are the facts!
I also invite any of you who dont believe this story to come to my shop and see the proof for yourself, I run a honest business not a fly by night hobby shop! So if you have nothing to do with the deal id bite my tongue if I was you and quit sticking up for a guy that clearly sold a car knowing it was damaged! I will be posting pics of the IC when I get a chance, and I invite any other questions or people who think this is bs to call me out!
i dont there has been any question that their is a crack in the intercooler, but the question of IF it was there previously is what we have been talking about. As i stated, i have known joe for a number of years and he is an HONEST person...
Also, who runs a fly by night hobby shop?
Also, who runs a fly by night hobby shop?
completely off topic but...
if youve ever had to deal with Dennis Whipple from Whipple, youd think that he runs one.
if youve ever had to deal with Dennis Whipple from Whipple, youd think that he runs one.
bob i didnt know cpr sent out blue magic marker rails... i must have missed those in jegs!
no, they tell you to grind the rails down and reweld... i think the magic marker was just a touch of class
im not complaining about the rails being ground down... that is fine and is what was needed.
but the rail was cracked and never fixed. and i know he knew, because it was gone over with a blue sharpie.
but the rail was cracked and never fixed. and i know he knew, because it was gone over with a blue sharpie.
hey man. im really sorry about your purchase. i bought my cobra off this forum awhile back, had it a week, and found out both head gaskets were blown. i dropped and replaced the whole drivetrain. the guy hasnt signed onto this site since the day i bought the car.
i am sure this guy allgo new about these issues, at least to an extent.
i know this is all water under the bridge but did you look up his posts before purchasing the car? the guy was a real idiot in response to his nephew who sold that termi cloned 98 cobra. i read through that and new id never buy something off a moron like that.
good luck though. thats alot of money to be out.
i am sure this guy allgo new about these issues, at least to an extent.
i know this is all water under the bridge but did you look up his posts before purchasing the car? the guy was a real idiot in response to his nephew who sold that termi cloned 98 cobra. i read through that and new id never buy something off a moron like that.
good luck though. thats alot of money to be out.
Bob, you know Joe way better then any of us and he may be honest but like I said the car was driven 2 or 3 miles at most since the purchase in which I was the passenger, and I assure you nothing he did with me in the car caused the IC to crack and there is NO WAY it got even close to freezing in my shop. Also as I stated, I found the IC res. dry and water in the oil that the car was sold with in it... Now correct me if im wrong but ive owned many race cars and summer driven street cars in my life as I know you have too and this is not the kind of damage that any "bad fuel" or driver error would cause! Not to mention just by looking at the crack you can tell its been there for some time. It just seems to me that there is an excuse for everything, I mean come on Bob, "pre gapped" plugs form NGK, would you ever buy a set of "pre gapped" plugs and stick them in your car without checking them:nono: I know there is no way in hell id do it even on a 700hp street car! Next how about being to lazy as you stated to put the other four coil packs in the car... Really??? I bet you would be all about putting four stock 5.0 wires on one side of your engine and running it right:nono: Now maybe im wrong about all of this maybe Joe knew nothing but with all the other sketchy sh*t I have found on the car I highly doubt it!
As far as the fly by night hobby shop comment, that was not directed toward anyones shop. I was just stating for all the people who may think im just taking sides with Evil because he brought his car to me or think this is my first time working on a mustang... This is what I do, I specialize in late model Ford Performance and Custom Fabrication. My invite is to you as well Bob, I only live about an hour and twenty mins from you, why dont you drive on up this week and check out the shop and the damage on the car for yourself and then make your own conclusion...
Seeing as I know im gonna be asked... I may as well list the "sketchy sh*t" that I have found on the car some stuff that has not even been brought up because it has nothing to do with the cracked IC but it does say something about the condition this car was in when it was sold, some stuff he had to know was wrong with it because the idiot lights were even on!
1. Low brake fluid so low the brake light was on
2.The driver front rim rubbed right through the ABS sensor wire causing the ABS light to be on
3. One missing transmission bell housing bolt
4. Driver side motor mount nut missing
5. Wires running everywhere in the trunk to the pump control and amp
6. Water in oil
7. Spark plug gaps as much as .015 different from one to the next
8. 4 stock coils 4 aftermarket
9. Cracked IC
10. Fuel lines that were finger tight and leaking (discolor on the paint to prove the leak)
11. Fuel pressure regulator was not mounted to anything rather just laying on top the driver side valve cover held in place by only the lines
12. 2.5" x-pipe stuck into 3" mufflers and the gap filled with weld
13. No water in the IC res.
14. Leaking pinion seal
15. Transmission lines laying on the headers
Now im sure all of this happened on the trailer on his way back to WI with the car and im sure Joe had no idea of any of it... Lets be real here!
1. Low brake fluid so low the brake light was on
2.The driver front rim rubbed right through the ABS sensor wire causing the ABS light to be on
3. One missing transmission bell housing bolt
4. Driver side motor mount nut missing
5. Wires running everywhere in the trunk to the pump control and amp
6. Water in oil
7. Spark plug gaps as much as .015 different from one to the next
8. 4 stock coils 4 aftermarket
9. Cracked IC
10. Fuel lines that were finger tight and leaking (discolor on the paint to prove the leak)
11. Fuel pressure regulator was not mounted to anything rather just laying on top the driver side valve cover held in place by only the lines
12. 2.5" x-pipe stuck into 3" mufflers and the gap filled with weld
13. No water in the IC res.
14. Leaking pinion seal
15. Transmission lines laying on the headers
Now im sure all of this happened on the trailer on his way back to WI with the car and im sure Joe had no idea of any of it... Lets be real here!
all im saying is what Joe has told me... knowing joe for a while, i dont doubt he TRULY took the plugs out of the box and stuck them in... they are NORMALLY gapped at .035 from NGK as we install them 5 times a week... We dont like to run that much gap, so we obviously check them and gap down. Joe is just your typical cobra owner that does some work on his car by himself and has other people do work on his car... You know the deal where your friends will help out and you all drink beer..
My whole reason for saying ANYTHING in this thread is because I TRULY BELIEVE JOE!! I am not saying that ANYTHING that you noted is not true. I am just stating that Joe has told me that he didnt know about the IC and he explained everything to me on the phone about the other issues.. I see ALOT of cobras at my shop from backyard mechanics and nothing you have told me strikes me as abnormal.
A prime example is that Joe has asked me in the past to tune the car and i simply refuse to do so because I dont trust the PMS on the mod motor.. Shoot, they even discontinued it after so many problems... So, is that something thats going to become a problem in the future since they dont support it anymore?? I've tried to talk him into doing SCT on it for over a yr.
It's funny because i just bought a car last week and it certainly wasnt as promised.. but, i got a good deal on it and will fix the problems. I dont think for 1 minute the owner was trying to screw me and im not on here posting about it. I guess we all do things differently.
In the end, ill still stand by my original statement that I dont believe Joe did anything "shady".. I TRULY believe that he was in the dark about the intercooler, was completely honest with me about the plug issue, explained to me about the coil issue (since i actually sold him the GMS coils about 1.5yrs ago), and listened to CPR about what needed to be done about the fuel.
PS.. i know that the bad fuel has nothing to do with the issue at hand.. I simply brought it up because "I WAS TOLD" that Evil was told NOT to beat on the car (more then a simple blip of the throttle to show the boost to the new owner) until all the fuel was drained.. When Evil called joe a day or 2 after the car had switched hands, he stated that it was "breaking up"... Joe asked if the fuel was drained and of course the answer was NO.. so, it was a simple comment about following directions.. Im sure the wide range of plug gap contributed to the break up.
PSS.. Evil has asked me to retune this car and I have told him what I would want to see before I tune it.. I dont believe we have any ill feelings with each other.
and you are saying this was all intentially done?? Because Joe's honesty is in question, not the condition of the car..
No im not saying that at all, its just that if Joe knew that this car had some of the problems I have found and let them go why should Evil have any reason to believe he didnt know about the IC as well? Bottom line, maybe he didnt know maybe he did, but the fact remains the damage was done before the sale. The proof is here and Joe needs to stand up with a phone call or a PM or something to Evil and maybe even help him out a little with the repair bill... It only seems right. You and I have both raced NMRA and been part of the mustang world for years and I dont know about your expierence but it seems to me that most mustang owners will go out of their way to help one another but for some reason that just doesnt seem to be the case with this Joe guy:shrug:
btw where is the past owner and why are you fighting all his battles? Someone seems to have got their money and shut themselves away... :burn:
Not taking sides, but the buyer didn't know the issues I highlighted? I believe he said that he thoroughly checked out the car. At least a couple of these should have been noticed, like the ABS light being on and the brake light being on. :??:
how come you didn't purchase the additional warranty? j/k... shit, that sucks.
You would notice most of these problems if you checked the car out before you paid 26k for it.Can you say red flag.
couldn't quote your whole post because of the way you responded to evils post....
Originally Posted by evil04svtcobra
so after taking out the plugs... some were gapped at .045... some at .040... and some at .035 of an inch! *** Joe stated that he pulled the "supposed pre gapped plugs" out of the box and installed.. thats NGK's gap ***
while the car was on the hoist again while we did that.... we saw the old owner decided not to put a bolt back on one of the motor mounts!!! *** Joe had a "PROFESSIONAL" pull the trans and you can thank the tranny shop for that one ***
I haven't seen a set of NKG's out of a box of 8 have that much variation in gap. I will say though, I have seen plugs that were gapped the same put in the car and then later removed and the gap was a little different.
also, since when do you have to pull a motor mount to pull a tranny? Or pull a tranny to do a motor mount? did I miss something?
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