The new 5.0 4 valve ford will force us to uprgade our 99-01 powerplants!
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no there's no forcing anyone to switch to a different powerplant. 302 strokers have been out for a long time that use 4.6 based blocks and you can still rev them to 7k rpm.
stroking is increasing the distance the piston travels. this can be done a number of ways like a crank that has a longer throw, longer rods, changing the wrist pin height on the piston, or a combination of any of those.
boring is simply making the cylinder diameter bigger. so you'll get an according larger diameter piston with it. i'd have to do the math again, but if i remember right a .020 over(20 thousandths bore) nets 284 ci.
stroking is increasing the distance the piston travels. this can be done a number of ways like a crank that has a longer throw, longer rods, changing the wrist pin height on the piston, or a combination of any of those.
I can't wait to bust some 2011's =) That's definitely going to be an awesome car though. Especially the new 6 speed they are getting. 5th gear 1:1
As if all those LS powered GM cars didn't give you reason enough. The new engine is still only a 5.0, a lightly modded LS1 will still take it and the larger LS's will be all over it...for a lot less money. Ford should have gone with the 6.2 liter 2 valve engine in the mustang over the much more costly to modify, and smaller cube 4 valve.
Additionally, the new 4 valve is on the same bore spacing which means there will probably be no big bore option for those that want more cubes. Although it has the same bore spacing the heads and intake are not interchangeable with the mod motors.
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I'm ready to beat up some unsuspecting new 5.0 owners in the Wife's LT1
Seriously, its nice to see that they are making a MAJOR improvement in the GT's power department:thumbsup:
4.6L DOHC=305hp>>>>>>>>>>>5.0L push rod=240hp.
stock vs stock, bolt on vs bolt on the DOHC 4.6 is better than the old 5.0 push rod.
This new 5.0L in the 2011 gt is a 5.0L DOHC=412hp, its nothing like the 15 year old push rod 5.0L.
Also consider that in 96 when Ford swapped to the 4.6 DOHC it was the year following the 5.8L push rod Cobra R making 300hp. So Ford swapped to a smaller engine(as far as displacement goes) and made more horsepower(less torque though compared to the 5.8L Cobra R making 365tq). I would say it was a good move.
Well that ****ing blows. Even if these new heads are better than 03-04 C heads I can't use them.
i wonder what a HCI combo will do for it..mmm
11:1 compression? It's going to be much trickier to just slap a blower on it. Much more precise tuning and much more judicious use of boost. I see a lot of blown motors in the future.
Although I am happy to see Ford bring back a larger motor, it still isn't large enough. Ford is seriously lacking in the "no replacement for displacement" game.
Although I am happy to see Ford bring back a larger motor, it still isn't large enough. Ford is seriously lacking in the "no replacement for displacement" game.
I think the popular mods for the new 5.0 are going to be intake, exaust, ud pullies, tunner, and spray. With those mods look to see 500rwhp and 550+rwtq.
I see some crying termi and gt500 owners in about 1 1/2 yrs.
I see some crying termi and gt500 owners in about 1 1/2 yrs.
Seriously. And, I wouldn't rule out the 6.2 just yet. Remember, we are talking about the GT, not a Cobra/Boss/Mach/Shelby(though I assume the GT500 will be blown as long as they keep it around). I was so hoping the heads and or intake would interchange. I thought the intake looked alot like the current FR500C intake. Are you saying that you can't bolt the heads and intake both on the motors, like you would with the FR500C intake that require 00R/GT/GT500 heads?
Probably the same as a big bore or stroker 4.6 that has a PSR or FR500 intake, ported heads, and FR500 size cams. Remember, this is 400 hp at the flywheel, not at the rear wheels. Unless they under rate this motor like they did with the 00R, my guess is about 340 rwhp. The full bolt on guys should have no problem beating this car.
There is no need for more displacement.
GM still plays that game,
and in the last round, lost miserably.
Ford engines are more advanced (modern) and no pushrods.
People whined about no more "5.0".
People whined about "we want 400 HP on a GT".
Well, we got it.
AND NO PUSHRODS!
I seriously doubt that HCI will be the mods for it,
and the "5.0" mentality era UD pulleys won't either.
The mods will start after someone cracks the PCM code for valve timing.
Chances are, Ford has already maximized the airflow in and out
(exhaust manifolds and system, intake, CAI) so there will not be much there.
Big gains from small mods, those days are gone.
I think this is really what is upsetting people. While I'm impressed with the tech, I know it annoys me and I don't even do much in the way of mods on my cars.
When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s the Mustang was king. Not because it was the fastest car around right off the lot, but because it was fast enough to be fun right off the lot, came at a price that I and everyone I knew felt would be reasonably affordable at some point in our lives, and could be made into an absolute beast for a reasonable price.
The Mustang is now being pushed to the limits right out of the factory, though. It's cool to see them squeeze the power they do out of these motors. Unfortunately, it's driving the cost of the cars up. A new GT in '96 had a base price of about $18k and a Cobra around $25k (based on memory and a quick check on some websites). The cost of the car is going up faster than the rate of inflation, and so it really is a more expensive car to buy up front. It's also considerably more expensive to modify to take it from "pretty damned fast for the money" to just plain old "really ****ing fast".
Of course I believe that those of us that are affected by the change in what Ford seems to what the Mustang to be are definitely in the Minority. If we weren't, the Mustang wouldn't be selling nearly as well as it does.
It really shouldn't upset people, although I know what you mean.
Look, Ford LEARNED FROM US!
Now, in theory, they are "modding" it for us at the factory.
Trust me, there are enthusiasts within the company.
And some say Ford wasn't listening.....................
Look, Ford LEARNED FROM US!
Now, in theory, they are "modding" it for us at the factory.
Trust me, there are enthusiasts within the company.
And some say Ford wasn't listening.....................
Could careless :shrug:.
Yep, I see what you mean, too, and for the majority of people it's the better option. Once you figure in what it would have cost to do the same mods, you're probably looking at roughly the same cost if not a bit more than the extra money Ford is charging. But I still miss the hobbyist aspect of being able to buy the car for $X and then spend that next $2k-$5k over time as I have it rather than up front, putting on the intake I want from a selection of several viable choices, the exhaust I want, etc. More or less being able to build it up my way.
Well, in theory I miss that anyway. The reality for me is that I buy these cars with big plans, but can never justify spending the money to mod them later, so the direction Ford is going benefits me. I can understand others feeling like they're losing something that they enjoyed, though.
Well, in theory I miss that anyway. The reality for me is that I buy these cars with big plans, but can never justify spending the money to mod them later, so the direction Ford is going benefits me. I can understand others feeling like they're losing something that they enjoyed, though.
The new 2011 GT has 412hp in a 3603lb car.
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