Really? This Qualifies For "Stand Your Ground"

[03cobra#694]

Rather be judged by 12, then carried by 6.

 

[Ohio Snake]

Stop and think about it for a sec.

You said that you may have had the same reaction as Mcglockton. That means you endorse his actions, which got him killed.

I, for the last time, am telling you that you doing the same would be very dumb.

One other item:

Just because I said I might have the same reaction does not endorse his actions. I can see why the victim possibly reacted that way. And guess what, I can see why Drejka possibly reacted by shooting, as well in the video.

I suppose if you saw your wife getting verbal assualted in your car, you would ask the suspect why he is doing that.


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[Coiled03]

Stop and think about it for a sec.

You said that you may have had the same reaction as Mcglockton. That means you endorse his actions, which got him killed.

I, for the last time, am telling you that you doing the same would be very dumb.

JFC....saying you may have had the same reaction is NOT the same as endorsing the action. It's called putting yourself in someone else's shoes. May....MAY....have. Not the same as WOULD have.

 

[Ohio Snake]

JFC....saying you may have had the same reaction is NOT the same as endorsing the action. It's called putting yourself in someone else's shoes. May....MAY....have. Not the same as WOULD have.

I could not have said that better. Thank you.


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[ZYBORG]

Stop and assess the whole picture. First of all, of all the reactions I could have in a similar situation (possibly talking calmly to a suspect to the other end of the spectrum....possibly pulling a gun and shooting them dead after I tried to retreat because Im in Ohio) my reaction will be an EQUAL reaction to the situation. Killing someone because they called you a butthead is not an Equal response.
If someone in a store told me my wife was being being assaulted in my car ( hearsay) and I came out and assessed that was actually happening (fact), I will shove that person without a second thought.
If someone is aiming a gun at a family member with the intent to shoot, Im going draw my weapon and shoot them.

As for why “ I may have the same reaction”....
Again and referring to the video. We don’t know if there was a verbal altercation or threat Drejka made to the victims girlfriend. If his girlfriend WAS being verbally assaulted or threatened and the victims reaction was to shove Drejka out of the way, I may have the same reaction as well. Again the video does not have sound. But there are witnesses including the girlfriend and a child that most likely did not help Drejka in court.


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I am not trying to insult you, but you are all over the place. Lol.

One moment you say you don’t endorse what Mcglockton did. The next movement you say you would likely do the same. The next moment, you create a totally different scenario and speak on that.

For the last time, if you do what Mcglockton did, you are playing Russian roulette with your life and that of your loved ones.

 

[ZYBORG]

JFC....saying you may have had the same reaction is NOT the same as endorsing the action. It's called putting yourself in someone else's shoes. May....MAY....have. Not the same as WOULD have.

Lol. Bro, stating that you would have done the same, is an indirect way of endorsing / excusing the behavior. It means that the person empathizes and understands why the action was done and therefore condones the behavior.

If you are also on the fail train that feels the assault by Mcglockton was “justified”, or you “may have dunn da same, yo!”, cause “my baby-mama, yo!”.... then your are in trouble, man.

 

[03cobra#694]

I keep forgetting everyone is perfect here and knows everything.

 

[Ohio Snake]

I am not trying to insult you, but you are all over the place. Lol.

One moment you say you don’t endorse what Mcglockton did. The next movement you say you would likely do the same. The next moment, you create a totally different scenario and speak on that.

For the last time, if you do what Mcglockton did, you are playing Russian roulette with your life and that of your loved ones.

Yes, Im all over the place because there are assumptions of what may have happened. Some assumptions may justify either McGlochton or Drejka and other assumptions may not.
My reaction is based on a equal response to the situation. I can see why the shove may have happened.


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[Coiled03]

Lol. Bro, stating that you would have done the same, is an indirect way of endorsing / excusing the behavior. It means that the person empathizes and understands why the action was done and therefore condones the behavior.

So, let's review:

1) You can't comprehend what you read - he didn't say WOULD have - or just see what you want.
2) You don't know the difference between MAY have, and WOULD have.

I don't know if you're just being obtuse, or you're really that ****ing dumb.

 

[03cobra#694]

He loves being combative.

 

[ZYBORG]

Yes, Im all over the place because there are assumptions of what may have happened. Some assumptions may justify either McGlochton or Drejka and other assumptions may not.
My reaction is based on a equal response to the situation. I can see why the shove may have happened.


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All I am saying to you is, you NEVER go around putting your hands on anyone based on an assumption. It’s just bad news, man.

 

[ZYBORG]

So, let's review:

1) You can't comprehend what you read - he didn't say WOULD have - or just see what you want.
2) You don't know the difference between MAY have, and WOULD have.

I don't know if you're just being obtuse, or you're really that ****ing dumb.

Well, ****.... since you say it so nicely. I get it now, boss.



Sike!


Let me break this down, Barney style for you, my half-handicapped friend....

“May have”, is a way of saying that you are at least as likely as not willing to do the action. Which, in it of itself is accepting that you would do the action (50% chance).

Which kid would you let take your daughter to prom? The one that tells you, I am going to rape your daughter, or the one that says I “may” rape your daughter?

I am willing to be is neither. Lol.

 

[Ohio Snake]

Lol. Bro, stating that you would have done the same, is an indirect way of endorsing / excusing the behavior. It means that the person empathizes and understands why the action was done and therefore condones the behavior.

If you are also on the fail train that feels the assault by Mcglockton was “justified”, or you “may have dunn da same, yo!”, cause “my baby-mama, yo!”.... then your are in trouble, man.

Do this:

Ask yourself the question after watching the video:

Is there any possible reason McClochton shoved Drejka the way he did and ask why would he would do that?
You have time to sit down and watch the video and apply possible reasons? Ask why everyone in that video is interacting. When contemplate other assumptions, ask yourself if you may react the same way under those circumstances.

Then do the same for Drejka.

When I watch that video multiple times, I find possible reasons each reacted in the way they did. It does mean I endorse either person, but I find McClochton being more of victim the Drejka. Apparently, the courts see it that way too right now.

I can tell you how I may react with an equal response to a situation. Everyone is different.




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[ZYBORG]

He loves being combative.

I love discussions.

 

[03cobra#694]

I haven’t quoted anyone in here.

 

[ZYBORG]

Do this:

Ask yourself the question after watching the video:

Is there any possible reason McClochton shoved Drejka the way he did and ask why would he would do that?
You have time to sit down and watch the video and apply possible reasons? Ask why everyone in that video is interacting. When contemplate other assumptions, ask yourself if you may react the same way under those circumstances.

Then do the same for Drejka.

When I watch that video multiple times, I find possible reasons each reacted in the way they did. It does mean I endorse either person, but I find McClochton being more of victim the Drejka. Apparently, the courts see it that way too right now.

I can tell you how I may react with an equal response to a situation. Everyone is different.




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I have done just that and I’ll tell you this. As Mcglockton, walking out of the store and seeing Drejka, I would feel the dire need to knock the guy out. BUT, would not act on it. No way. I know I can’t just assault him like that. I can’t take a verbal altercation and turn it physical. I’d be legally and morally wrong. I would also open myself and family to a world of hurt.

Only way I would have proceeded to put hands on Drejka, would be if he was putting hands on my woman. Which didn’t happen.

 

[ZYBORG]

I haven’t quoted anyone in here.

Thought you were talking to us.

 

[Ohio Snake]

All I am saying to you is, you NEVER go around putting your hands on anyone based on an assumption. It’s just bad news, man.

That makes no sense. Her’s why:

Lets assume your wife is getting the crap knocked out of her in your home by an assailant. What are you going to do if you NEVER put your hands on anyone?

Someone tells you your son is getting the crap knocked out of him in the parking lot (an assumption). You casually walk out and see he is getting pummeled (fact). Remember, you said you NEVER put your hands on someone based on an assumption. What do you do? Try negotiating?


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[jeffh81]

I would have ran out and knocked him over if it had been my wife he was going off on. Now on the other hand I don’t douchebag park causing people to want to act like assholes to me or her.

Being a dumbass doesn’t deserve being killed. He went to protect his woman and the guy shot him. The shooting was very questionable

 

[ZYBORG]

That makes no sense. Her’s why:

Lets assume your wife is getting the crap knocked out of her in your home by an assailant. What are you going to do if you NEVER put your hands on anyone?

Someone tells you your son is getting the crap knocked out of him in the parking lot (an assumption). You casually walk out and see he is getting pummeled (fact). Remember, you said you NEVER put your hands on someone based on an assumption. What do you do? Try negotiating?


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You are talking about something different.

I didn’t say I would never put hands on anyone. I said I would never put hands on anyone on an assumption and / or hearsay.

I wouldn’t put hands on anyone, if they were just arguing with anyone in my family. It would only happen if they were putting hands on my family and I observed this myself