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CPRsm
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Being cheap does not mean buying two power adders!!! Lmfao
Yeah yeah....I know
Touché
Although at least I can say my total outlay is still very reasonable ... Think I'm still under $6k all said and done.
How has the install been so far with the ON3 kit? Did you buy the newest revised one? Curious to hear if you have had any issues with the install so far.
Newest revisions have supposedly still needed tons of modifications with no customer service from Chad @ On3.
That's the route I was going to go, but when they screwed up yet again I said **** them and went a paxton. I still love the way twins look under the hood and would still change in a heart beat if they ever actually fixed their shit. Just being able to say "it's twin turbod" would be worth it, even if it is a cheap kit. I am no fabricator and that's why I didn't get it.
That's the route I was going to go, but when they screwed up yet again I said **** them and went a paxton. I still love the way twins look under the hood and would still change in a heart beat if they ever actually fixed their shit. Just being able to say "it's twin turbod" would be worth it, even if it is a cheap kit. I am no fabricator and that's why I didn't get it.
Yeah its the newest revision. The biggest deal with the On3 kit is understanding going into it that you are on your own. The "instructions" are more like "pointers" lol.. they are horrible. I think I looked at them for a total of 3 minutes and realized theyre worthless.
Fit and finish is China with a little USA sprinkled in here and there. Some of the hardware and hoses are USA made believe it or not.
Wastegates are ok. Turbos look good. Hot parts are seemingly made well. Intercooler is meh. Intercooler mounting is awful. COld side piping is nice. Upper IC pipe is 3.5" now so you can use your stock MAF.
The only fab work ive done so far is extending the pass side IC bracket to get the cooler to center properly.
I wrapped the downpipes as they are extremely close, or touching in some cases, to wires and other various lines.
All in all...im super excited about it and am sure it will make stupid power. Just taking my time going slow.
Should fire it next weekend.
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So only thing you had to do was something easy, nice. If I went On3, tials would be bought along with the kit because I don't trust the wastegates. I mean, I guess I could leave them and have the Boostleash set for overboost and if the wastegates fail hope the Boostleash would protect it from spiking and causing carnage.
Don't you think the stock MAF will run out rather quickly? Pro-M would be going in as well when I boost mine.
Don't you think the stock MAF will run out rather quickly? Pro-M would be going in as well when I boost mine.
Doesn't matter the name. We have been through it and it still hasn't sunk in yet. Call "the blue moon of Venus," it doesn't matter. Fact is it ramps in boost faster to increase the bottom end.
Not sure why you still what any of this has to do with a race W Dasan. You're still slower than turbos and that's a fact. He said his streetcar wouldn't be in the same league as your renegade car. Good for you. Definetly worthy of a feather in your cap on that one. Simple fact is there is no blower off the shelf that you sell that can keep up. If you need a custom front mount renegade car to beat a street car, that's your problem.
I see you've stopped jumping up and down about my car though. Demanding a "pic of the registration or SFTU."Guessing someone set you straight and decided to drop that one, too eh?
you have an s197 coyote car? must have missed that? In all reality, you are so insignificant in the world of what I do. As far as my "race car", it's a larger fuel cell away from being as much of a street car as dasans',
as far as off the shelf, that is completely incorrect, my billet jt package is very capable, as matter of fact, it's quicker than any coyote kit you have out there.
FYI, happy to announce that in addition to
On3
EDP
Armageddon
we now have hellion turbo systems available as well!
On3
EDP
Armageddon
we now have hellion turbo systems available as well!
Just got an email for grudge night at NMRA in BG this year. Can't wait to see JPC and Beefcake throw down.
CPRsm
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Oh boy, lemme see if I can break this down real simple for you. You are not faster than him. He said you were out of his league for the car you are BUILDING. A renegade car.
You are a long shot from what Dasan's car is and you know it. You started calling yours a race car after 8.7's. But now it's "close" to a street car because it fits your argument.
I wonder what it means to be signifigant you. You're always one in our customers threads, or a turbo thread trying to defend your product. For me being insignigant, you sure worry an aweful lot about what I do or say.
For the love of god stop acting like you know everything. It's just foolish. We offered to bust your ass two years ago and give you a half second start. You backed out because of the tranny the customer was running. Would you like me to grab the link to those posts for you?
Lol, so they're offering a package deal now with a custom intercooler w a Garrett core like you run now? hmmmmmmm, your site lists a different intercooler than the one you run. Cuz your site says a 24x13x3.5 intercooler comes in the kit. But it's wired because I remember you getting a custom Garrett 24x12x4.5
So how completely incorrect am I again?
While we were at it, we had a custom intercoolerdone. The stock unit works great, and we've been 8.7's with it with the ysi, but it is a 900 hp intercooler and we need every ounce of power we can find in heads up.
We were back and forth all week trying to get everything done, and didn't get finished up until 2:30am Friday at my fabricators. The finished product looks great though!
Rob @ Rogue race cars ordered the core. The rest of the intercooler / piping was custom Fabricated.
It's a 900hp intercooler and he went 8.7s with it? Did he change just the intercooler and make a pass shaving several tenths off or something with only changing an intercooler? What was the difference?
It just sounds pretty insignificant to the argument to me... How many of us are running or plan on running 900hp cars. The average new-model mustang owner that gets FI doesn't build the motor and push 900hp.
It just sounds pretty insignificant to the argument to me... How many of us are running or plan on running 900hp cars. The average new-model mustang owner that gets FI doesn't build the motor and push 900hp.
CPRsm
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900hp intercooler isn't really the point. His site claims 7 second capable power but won't even come close w the supplied cooler. Never. But come on here claiming his kit is off the shelf. Seems pretty significant to me if you're leaving out a detail of a MAJOR component of any kit. Bad business.
Lot's of companies do it. "We have enough turbo for 1700hp. "Our kit will make 1700."" Yet it doesn't have he down pipe or intercooler to it. eBay vendors pull the same stunt. "Our core flows 2500cfm, good for 1500+HP."
Flows a lot. But they fail to mention the inlets will be 200+ degrees before 800hp because it's a vertical cores and only 6inches of flow path.
Lot's of companies do it. "We have enough turbo for 1700hp. "Our kit will make 1700."" Yet it doesn't have he down pipe or intercooler to it. eBay vendors pull the same stunt. "Our core flows 2500cfm, good for 1500+HP."
Flows a lot. But they fail to mention the inlets will be 200+ degrees before 800hp because it's a vertical cores and only 6inches of flow path.
We went 8.7's with the factory intercooler at 3900 lbs with the factory trans.
I considered the car a "race car" the minute we took the oem trans out. at dasans weight, with the aftermarket trans like dasan has and the ysi, even with the factory intercooler ,we would be deep into the 8's, if not sevens, would inlet temps be higher, sure, doesn't mean you can't run the number, renegade guys have been running in the low 8's without intercoolers for years........ brian Mitchell just put an intercooler on his car for the first time last year
the ysi is a larger blower than what we are currently running and could very well put the car in the 7's.
as far as dasan's car being quicker.... no slip, it ain't quicker....
as far as "building a renegade car", I'm making the car safer by doing a 25.3 and tweaking the car some. still the same 3 link suspension, bmr k member, and were doing a gear drive. gear drive doesn't make it any less streetable
I considered the car a "race car" the minute we took the oem trans out. at dasans weight, with the aftermarket trans like dasan has and the ysi, even with the factory intercooler ,we would be deep into the 8's, if not sevens, would inlet temps be higher, sure, doesn't mean you can't run the number, renegade guys have been running in the low 8's without intercoolers for years........ brian Mitchell just put an intercooler on his car for the first time last year
the ysi is a larger blower than what we are currently running and could very well put the car in the 7's.
as far as dasan's car being quicker.... no slip, it ain't quicker....
as far as "building a renegade car", I'm making the car safer by doing a 25.3 and tweaking the car some. still the same 3 link suspension, bmr k member, and were doing a gear drive. gear drive doesn't make it any less streetable
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Everyone be like "it'll go straight into the 7s" and were just hangin out over here....
Anyway I'm going to go on record and say that a gear drive will qualify you as not a street car.
Anyway I'm going to go on record and say that a gear drive will qualify you as not a street car.
Street car and "streetable" are two different things.
we'll see after I head down to the local cruise in!!
CPRsm
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You seem to be under the delusion any intercooler is better than no intercooler. That factory will NEVER see 7's. It's not just inlets. The pressure drop would be ASTRONOMICAL. You'd be pushing 45psi at the discharge praying for 25-28 in the intake( I'm being generous there). The inlets, pushing the compressor off the map, and just the flat our restriction thru the intercooler it will never happen. You would indeed probably be better off with no intercooler at that point. But that is the difference between knowing what you're talking about and slinging parts.
Let's say it was even remotely possible. The fact remains you are flat out LYING saying your are running an off the shelf kit. Did you think dodging that post would make me forget?
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I have off the shelf packages that I sell. My off the shelf packages are "complete packages" from everything including tuning and fuel.
No different than vmp taking a tvs blower and adding their tune, and their tweaks and creating a package, and improving upon the package and marketing it.
They are complete kits.
Your kits are the ones that are not "off the shelf complete", no one can come just to you, and get everything they need in one stop from start to finish"
as far as no intercooler making more boost. Well no shit dick tracy, where'd you park your squad car.
Of course there would be more pressue, but.... if we went 8.7's at 3900lbs with 1.5 to 1.4 60's. you can't say it's not possible that at 3400lbs, better chassis, low 1.2 to 1.1 60's ,that we couldn't pull a 7 with that intercooler.
we were running more horsepower / boost on the 8.7 pass, than we are running on the 8.1s....
CPRsm
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You keep making this ignorant statement and not sure why. Customers can buy any and all of it from me. I just choose to tell them to buy elsewhere. It's not worth my time to compete w "kitchen salesmen" willing to sell a dollar for 50 cents and make it up in volume. So don't confuse I "don't," with "can't." More than one customer has chosen to buy fuel and tunes from me.
Don't twist the use of the words. Fact remains you are not running and OFF THE SHELF blower kit despite trying to tell me how wrong I was. No one mentioned anything about complete. You don't include headers, exhaust, kmember or any of the other things we offer in your "kits." Again, a customer cannot call up and order the blower kit you run. Again, you're on here lying thru your teeth and trying to dodge that fact by changing "off the shelf" to "complete."
Don't act like you knew what time it was AFTER you had to have it broken down for you.
Yet you haven't gone 7's w the larger intercooler in a lighter car, and predict you can do it by taking away an inch of thickness, and adding a even larger restriction. Yup. Makes perfect sense.
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