Who do so many V8 guys, just HATE on Tesla?

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Well have you seen gas prices lately?!

 

[Weather Man]

My understanding was the LFP was better in the cold. I'm sure neither are great. My NCA in extreme winter weather (15* blizzard conditions) I saw around a 40-45% reduction in range.

I know they are less energy dense and can be routinely charged, and stored, at 100% SOC

• Temperature Tolerance

Since the materials of the two batteries are different, their tolerance to temperature is also different. The NMC battery has a relatively balanced temperature tolerance and can work normally in normal low temperature and high-temperature environments; while the LFP battery has a stronger high-temperature tolerance than NMC batteries, but on the contrary, the low-temperature tolerance is relatively poor, at 0°C, the performance of the LFP battery will decrease by about 10~20%, and at -20°C, the performance is only about 60% of the original. This is why LFP batteries are not recommended in cold regions.

 

[Dirks9901]

You are correct and no where did I say it is currently available. The point is, that tech is coming soon and there will be no excuse for how long it takes to recharge.

Lmao the “tech is coming” phrase. Obviously you have no idea how this works or what the percentage of failures/successes in EV/Battery tech. It’s literally built on hopes and dreams and not real science. Think Theranos.

You can probably get to a 5 min charge if you are OK with fire.

All the battery "breakthroughs" are complete bullshit.

Why All Those EV-Battery ‘Breakthroughs’ You Hear About Aren’t Breaking Through

In the superheated market for batteries, promising lab developments often get overhyped by startups. “Liar, liar, battery supplier.”

www.wsj.com

Exactly. But the “tech is coming”. Don’t worry.






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[98 svt]

I was watching an episode of Car Fix one morning last year and they were working on a Tesla. They brought in a specialist and to my surprise, it was someone from an old local Mustang Club that I used to know. I had no idea he got into that line of the auto industry. I wish I could remember the name of his company.

Edit: Electrified Garage is the name of the company.

 

[tones_RS3]

I was watching an episode of Car Fix one morning last year and they were working on a Tesla. They brought in a specialist and to my surprise, it was someone from an old local Mustang Club that I used to know. I had no idea he got into that line of the auto industry. I wish I could remember the name of his company.

Edit: Electrified Garage is the name of the company.

What do they do there? Do they mod the Teslas?

 

[Intervention302]

I never said they don't need nickel or cobalt.

Uhhhh.


Cobalt and nickel free. Just need iron (literally everywhere) and lithium (3rd most abundant element)

Thanks for copying only part of my message. Again, you'd make a great politician too. Reading must be hard, here's the rest of my quote to help you out.

"Elon has switched the cheaper Teslas to a LiFePO4, or LFP for short"

Again... The cheaper, RWD only models have been switched to an alternative battery type.

Literally everything else, is still NCA.

Although I think the Tesla Power wall for homes is probably LFP

 

[Intervention302]

I was watching an episode of Car Fix one morning last year and they were working on a Tesla. They brought in a specialist and to my surprise, it was someone from an old local Mustang Club that I used to know. I had no idea he got into that line of the auto industry. I wish I could remember the name of his company.

Edit: Electrified Garage is the name of the company.

What do they do there? Do they mod the Teslas?

I've not been there, as I haven't a need. But that shop is held in the highest regard possible on local forums and groups.

Not sure who the owner is, but he must be a good guy

 

[Intervention302]

• Temperature Tolerance

Since the materials of the two batteries are different, their tolerance to temperature is also different. The NMC battery has a relatively balanced temperature tolerance and can work normally in normal low temperature and high-temperature environments; while the LFP battery has a stronger high-temperature tolerance than NMC batteries, but on the contrary, the low-temperature tolerance is relatively poor, at 0°C, the performance of the LFP battery will decrease by about 10~20%, and at -20°C, the performance is only about 60% of the original. This is why LFP batteries are not recommended in cold regions.

Thanks for the calcification.

I'd say if you wanted to really make it rich, I'd be in the energy storage market. If there is a breakthrough, it's going to be huge.

It was interesting to listen to a podcast where Elon was asked all these incredibly complicated questions about the future of batteries, power, rockets, life on Mars. Long, thoughtful pauses each time.

Then when asked if there will ever be a breakthrough in solar energy, it was an immediate "no"

 

[Intervention302]

Well have you seen gas prices lately?!

What he fails to understand is that the price to charge the car, and the price for home electricity is different. Vastly different.

I use a TOU (time of use) meter that gives approximately a 45% discount to charge my car between 9pm-7am. The vehicle knows the schedule so it will automatically charge when it's cheaper.

The downside is a 45%+ surcharge if I charge during the day. But this isn't really ever needed.

Currently I can take $4.30 (cost of 1 gallon of gas) and very easily drive 150-175 miles

 

[Weather Man]

What he fails to understand is that the price to charge the car, and the price for home electricity is different. Vastly different.

I use a TOU (time of use) meter that gives approximately a 45% discount to charge my car between 9pm-7am. The vehicle knows the schedule so it will automatically charge when it's cheaper.

The downside is a 45%+ surcharge if I charge during the day. But this isn't really ever needed.

Currently I can take $4.30 (cost of 1 gallon of gas) and very easily drive 150-175 miles

The problem is that everyone will want to charge at night, so those non-peak discounts will disappear. It also means you have to have a robust non-intermittent power source to meet the demand. Or, you have to spackle a battery storage power supply onto the grid and hope your intermittent power supply isn't. It is gonna be ugly.

 

[Intervention302]

The problem is that everyone will want to charge at night, so those non-peak discounts will disappear. It also means you have to have a robust non-intermittent power source to meet the demand. Or, you have to spackle a battery storage power supply onto the grid and hope your intermittent power supply isn't. It is gonna be ugly.

Absolutely correct

But as we can see here, it's going to be a while until "everybody" is charging at night.

So for now, I'll enjoy the savings.

Even without the TOU discount, and the rate spike due the "Ukraine War" I could still drive 95-135 miles.

Although I saw a post that somebody's TOU discount in a southern state was quite literally 1c per kWh. That be 2,000 miles for $4

 

[CobraBob]

Absolutely correct

But as we can see here, it's going to be a while until "everybody" is charging at night.

So for now, I'll enjoy the savings.

Even without the TOU discount, and the rate spike due the "Ukraine War" I could still drive 95-135 miles.

Although I saw a post that somebody's TOU discount in a southern state was quite literally 1c per kWh. That be 2,000 miles for $4

But when that time comes, as @Weather Man said, "it's gonna be ugly".

 

[Lambeau]

@Intervention302

You've failed to answer my other questions, but I'll give it another try before I start into Phase II.

Why am I subsidizing your battery powered cars and 500,000 charging stations if they're so great (less cost, safer, less maintenance, easier to refuel, more dependable, easier to repair)?

 

[wizbangdoodle]

My take on electric vehicles in general is, they aren't quite there yet. And I'm not sure if they will ever be as convenient as ICE vehicles. I could be wrong. I mean, in the early days of automobiles, you went and got a bucket of gas from the hardware store. How convenient was that?

I think electric works well for the person that has a rigid schedule and not a huge commute. But for someone like myself, it will never work.

On the performance side, how do you fill in the blank for "there's no replacement for _________"?

Your government is lying to you

 

[Weather Man]

But when that time comes, as @Weather Man said, "it's gonna be ugly".

There are just so many unanswered questions. Here's one, heat wave down South and everyone has the air turned on full blast. Nighttime comes and everyone still the air blasting and now everyone plugs in the EV and pulls another 40 to 80 amps times 2 for every house. ??????????????

 

[Intervention302]

But when that time comes, as @Weather Man said, "it's gonna be ugly".

Absolutely correct here. The gov will just find some reason to have a military operation in the Congo or somewhere else with stockpiles of the minerals.

Things never change.

There are just so many unanswered questions. Here's one, heat wave down South and everyone has the air turned on full blast. Nighttime comes and everyone still the air blasting and now everyone plugs in the EV and pulls another 40 to 80 amps times 2 for every house. ??????????????

Again I'm not advocating everybody immediately switch to EV that they are amazing and the best ever.

I'm simply saying that the American Made Teslas are nicer to drive, faster, safer, and more convenient, than many believe them to be.

My take on electric vehicles in general is, they aren't quite there yet. And I'm not sure if they will ever be as convenient as ICE vehicles. I could be wrong. I mean, in the early days of automobiles, you went and got a bucket of gas from the hardware store. How convenient was that?

I think electric works well for the person that has a rigid schedule and not a huge commute. But for someone like myself, it will never work.

On the performance side, how do you fill in the blank for "there's no replacement for _________"?

Your government is lying to you

I'm confused... When has the government NOT lied to us? Everything we see on the news is fake, if not "fake" its heavily massaged to deliver their "message"

My commute is 30-100 miles a day depending if I visit 1 or all 3 of my stores and if there are other work related errands.

For me its great. For others it may not be as convienant.

 

[Klaus]

"Elon has switched the cheaper Teslas to a LiFePO4, or LFP for short"

Why is this a good thing? This technology is heavier, lower energy density, more effected by the cold, and they do not charge in the cold. They are likely not much cheaper given the cost of lithium.

Only a simp would proclaim a step backward as a sign of progress.

 

[Intervention302]

Why is this a good thing? This technology is heavier, lower energy density, more effected by the cold, and they do not charge in the cold. They are likely not much cheaper given the cost of lithium.

Only a simp would proclaim a step backward as a sign of progress.

Because you have the ability to mass produce them in the USA. Sorry if I thought that making something in the USA is a pro. The Model 3 is already the MOST AMERICAN car you can buy today by content percent. Adding to the ability to down the road manufacturer the batteries here could be a big deal.

They are also significantly cheaper to manufacturer.

But yeah I'm just a "simp" you got it man. Have a good night

 

[Lambeau]

Why is this a good thing? This technology is heavier, lower energy density, more effected by the cold, and they do not charge in the cold. They are likely not much cheaper given the cost of lithium.

Only a simp would proclaim a step backward as a sign of progress.

Simps abound in the EV world. So much so they ask questions, but don't want answers like the OP.

Ya, just look at the title of this thread.

I guess the millions of Americans with careers tied directly to the use of ICE's will just have to learn how to code or dip dillies.

 

[Klaus]

Because you have the ability to mass produce them in the USA. Sorry if I thought that making something in the USA is a pro.

They are also significantly cheaper to manufacturer.

But yeah I'm just a "simp" you got it man. Have a good night

It is hard to keep up with the mental gymnastics. An inferior product is good? An even more inferior product is better if it is manufactured in the USA? Yay EVs!!!!!