I Support the Second Amendment, but...

[Need 04 Wine]

Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 at Virginia Tech with a glock 19 and a walter p22, yes a p22. The idea that this proposed law or law's will simply fix everything or anything is ridiculous.

Every shooting is national news, talked about 24/7 until the next one. Localize the news coverage, most school districts have their own independent police departments, why aren't there metal detectors at every school?

I know this is a blanket statement but you know this type of event most likely will be perpetrated by white males. They've grown up around guns, but not violence. Blacks on the other hand and i'm not speaking nationally just in the south, grow up around violence but not guns. One's actions and reactions come from what environment they were raised in. There's no fixing that.

The metal detector would simply change venue would it not?

Move from halls to parking lot and playground....kinda thing...in the case of dual shooters, one opens a emergency exit and lets other in.

I don't think metal detectors are answer, after all locks only keep an honest person out.

No thought on the rest of your post

 

[nxhappy]

if we had legit SOLDIERS on every campus, this shit would not happen. And if it did, the threat would be taken care of quickly. It's a sad thought but we need protection for our children and banning guns is not the answer.

 

[M240Bravo]

I agree on the bumpstock ban. Those things should have never been allowed in the first place. All they are is a workaround of the law.

Nothing to do with the STOCK! Watch the videos.


And I'll find the new law they are trying to pass for the bump stock... as its bans all semi auto rifles too. AGAIN you give a inch they take a mile.

 

[Sonic605hp]

Gun laws only restrict law abiding citizens. It's that goddamn simple....the fact that there is a gun debate shows how ****ing stupid people really are.

 

[earico]

Nothing to do with the STOCK! Watch the videos.

I've seen the videos. I'm an avid follower of MAC, Hickok45 and others. There is nothing that you can show me or say to me that is going to get me to change my opinion on bump stocks. IMO civilians have no business owning them. PERIOD. At the least they should be a tax stamp item.

 

[Great Asp]

We used to shoot the AK's (since sold) with our belt loops, "Levis Full Auto", I never saw a reason to buy a bump stock since if I wanted to let her rip I can use a belt loop.

What's an "Assault Weapon"?

I watch different news feeds and you really get the sense that the left is trying to label weapon types, when any fire arm has the capacity to harm or kill. Last weekend a news "pundit" said on FOX that we need to ban these "Assault Rifles"...LOL, clearly he does not know poo about fire arms.

Like this moron that can't even shoulder a rifle

 

[M240Bravo]

I've seen the videos. I'm an avid follower of MAC, Hickok45 and others. There is nothing that you can show me or say to me that is going to get me to change my opinion on bump stocks. IMO civilians have no business owning them. PERIOD. At the least they should be a tax stamp item.

Well thats the dumbest thing I have read on the internet today.

 

[TBCobra]

I have no issue with bump stocks being banned and raising the age requirement. Those are more along the lines of common sense and feel good measures to take given the plethora of shootings.
if something has to be done, do that.

Oh boy.

You said yourself they are along the lines of feel good measures and you're right, they are. So why give in? Why open up that door of allowing supposed "common sense gun laws" just so further down the road the D's can use it against us?

I'd prefer to go the other ways regarding gun laws. When can I purchase my m16 from a gun store!!!???


Edit: I just read more posts after posting my reply. The amount of support for a bump stock ban in here is disturbing. I'm gonna go back to arfcom now to try and balance it out.

 

[gimmie11s]

I've seen the videos. I'm an avid follower of MAC, Hickok45 and others. There is nothing that you can show me or say to me that is going to get me to change my opinion on bump stocks. IMO civilians have no business owning them. PERIOD. At the least they should be a tax stamp item.

Why? My take on 2A is a direct, literal take.

Bear ARMS. It doesn’t say bear handguns or single shot rifles.

These shootings, and 99% of America’s problems today in general, are solely due to the breakdown of the family and the rapid deterioration of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for any and all poor decisions in life.

In my opunion, the paradox of America is a tough one and some humans are simply not fit for what the great country provides/offers: FREEDOM. The problem is this amount of freedom is 100% accompanied by GREAT responsibility. One cannot be had without the other.

The quicker and more often our society makes excuses for an individuals irresponsibility, the faster this country falls apart. It’s easy to see but a guilty conscience is unfortunately VERY powerful.

The ease of divorce and single-parenthood are easy examples. And spare me all of the “things happened outside of my control” nonsense.

 

[gimmie11s]

Oh boy.

You said yourself they are along the lines of feel good measures and you're right, they are. So why give in? Why open up that door of allowing supposed "common sense gun laws" just so further down the road the D's can use it against us?

I'd prefer to go the other ways regarding gun laws. When can I purchase my m16 from a gun store!!!???


Edit: I just read more posts after posting my reply. The amount of support for a bump stock ban in here is disturbing. I'm gonna go back to arfcom now to try and balance it out.

X10 !!!

 

[sidewinderl]

Ah yes, the good ole NFA. A reprehensible tax that only exists to discriminate against the poor. I'm sure that'll solve a problem that's only being discussed because of the actions taken by one rich man.

 

[M240Bravo]

Thank you to the few that see it the same, I would have thought more on here would be TRUE pro 2A.

 

[OETKB]

PERIOD. At the least they should be a tax stamp item.

Which is unconstitutional as far as I'm concerned.

Hey, why not amend that pesky second amendment?

Liberty is damn scary business, but I'll take that over "safe" tyranny every day.

 

[gimmie11s]

Hey, why not amend that pesky second amendment?

Liberty is damn scary business, but I'll take that over "safe" tyranny every day.

Luckily ammending the Constitution is no easy task (but you know this—sad how many folks don’t).

And “safe” tyranny doesn’t exist. You know this too.

 

[TBCobra]

Thank you to the few that see it the same, I would have thought more on here would be TRUE pro 2A.

You and me both, especially with the "gun porn thread." I'm pretty surprised honestly.

To each their own though.

 

[earico]

Well thats the dumbest thing I have read on the internet today.

Instead of thinking what these gun channel youtubers tell you to maybe you should try thinking for yourself for a change. I'm sure you will still be supporting bumpstocks if your child gets mowed down by someone using one next year. 2A all the way, right?!!!

Why? My take on 2A is a direct, literal take.

Bear ARMS. It doesn’t say bear handguns or single shot rifles.

These shootings, and 99% of America’s problems today in general, are solely due to the breakdown of the family and the rapid deterioration of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for any and all poor decisions in life.

In my opunion, the paradox of America is a tough one and some humans are simply not fit for what the great country provides/offers: FREEDOM. The problem is this amount of freedom is 100% accompanied by GREAT responsibility. One cannot be had without the other.

The quicker and more often our society makes excuses for an individuals irresponsibility, the faster this country falls apart. It’s easy to see but a guilty conscience is unfortunately VERY powerful.

The ease of divorce and single-parenthood are easy examples. And spare me all of the “things happened outside of my control” nonsense.

Since bear arms is a literal phrase then why stop at semi-auto rifles. Let's just go ahead and make owning an fully functional RPG -7 legal for civilians to own. Surface to air missiles are arms too. I'm sure that back in 1791 the ever so wise forefathers knew that those such devices were to be developed in the future. SMH

Look I'll be the first to agree the gun is not at fault in these mass shootings. Guns do what the operator behind them cause them do. However don't be ignorant. We all know that governments make decisions that are considered better for the greater good. We all know that the bad apples ruin it for the rest of the bunch. The world has gotten worse the past couple decades. Social media is a huge factor in that and the lack of good solid parenting is too. Jesus at the things I have had to teach my children to be aware of so that they can be safe. It's nothing like when I was a kid. Raising children today is a huge challenge. My children are trained to shoot and know where our guns are and how to use them. They know exactly what to do if someone tries to enter our home uninvited. I also carry a gun everywhere I go just to protect my family. I fully anticipate my children getting their CHLs when they are old enough to.

And before you say, well what if the government turns on us and attacks our own people? Show me members of the armed forces that would actually carry out orders to attack their own fellow countrymen. Even if they actually did carry out the order your stupid little bump stock isn't going to do a damn thing against full auto 50 cal machine guns, tanks, AC130s and Apaches. Let's be real here. If you can't defend your home against unwanted visitors with a semi auto AR with a standard stock and a 30 round mag then you should go get some training.

Which is unconstitutional as far as I'm concerned.

Hey, why not amend that pesky second amendment?

Liberty is damn scary business, but I'll take that over "safe" tyranny every day.

The government doesn't have to amend your precious amendment. They will just write new laws that restrict what is allowed by the amendment. They've done it in the past and they will continue to do so. There is a changing of the guard happening. All those diehard 2A "bear arms" literal meaning conservatives are dying off. Change is coming. You can continue to be stubborn or you can start compromising. Let the opposition ban them completely while you sit there mad or instead suggest a compromise to make them a NFA item that makes them harder to attain.

 

[TBCobra]

Start compromising you say.

National Firearms Act
Gun Control Act
Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Violent Crime Control And Law Enforcement Act (Assault weapons ban)

Those are just the federal level and don't account for the dozens of laws and regulations statewide.

What did we get in return for these "compromises?"

"I'm sure you will still be supporting bumpstocks if your child gets mowed down by someone using one next year. 2A all the way, right?!!!"

You have to be trolling...

 

[me32]

Instead of thinking what these gun channel youtubers tell you to maybe you should try thinking for yourself for a change. I'm sure you will still be supporting bumpstocks if your child gets mowed down by someone using one next year. 2A all the way, right?!!!



Since bear arms is a literal phrase then why stop at semi-auto rifles. Let's just go ahead and make owning an fully functional RPG -7 legal for civilians to own. Surface to air missiles are arms too. I'm sure that back in 1791 the ever so wise forefathers knew that those such devices were to be developed in the future. SMH

Look I'll be the first to agree the gun is not at fault in these mass shootings. Guns do what the operator behind them cause them do. However don't be ignorant. We all know that governments make decisions that are considered better for the greater good. We all know that the bad apples ruin it for the rest of the bunch. The world has gotten worse the past couple decades. Social media is a huge factor in that and the lack of good solid parenting is too. Jesus at the things I have had to teach my children to be aware of so that they can be safe. It's nothing like when I was a kid. Raising children today is a huge challenge. My children are trained to shoot and know where our guns are and how to use them. They know exactly what to do if someone tries to enter our home uninvited. I also carry a gun everywhere I go just to protect my family. I fully anticipate my children getting their CHLs when they are old enough to.

And before you say, well what if the government turns on us and attacks our own people? Show me members of the armed forces that would actually carry out orders to attack their own fellow countrymen. Even if they actually did carry out the order your stupid little bump stock isn't going to do a damn thing against full auto 50 cal machine guns, tanks, AC130s and Apaches. Let's be real here. If you can't defend your home against unwanted visitors with a semi auto AR with a standard stock and a 30 round mag then you should go get some training.




The government doesn't have to amend your precious amendment. They will just write new laws that restrict what is allowed by the amendment. They've done it in the past and they will continue to do so. There is a changing of the guard happening. All those diehard 2A "bear arms" literal meaning conservatives are dying off. Change is coming. You can continue to be stubborn or you can start compromising. Let the opposition ban them completely while you sit there mad or instead suggest a compromise to make them a NFA item that makes them harder to attain.

They dont get it. Unfortunately they won' t understand till it's too late.

 

[OETKB]

Instead of thinking what these gun channel youtubers tell you to maybe you should try thinking for yourself for a change. I'm sure you will still be supporting bumpstocks if your child gets mowed down by someone using one next year. 2A all the way, right?!!!



Since bear arms is a literal phrase then why stop at semi-auto rifles. Let's just go ahead and make owning an fully functional RPG -7 legal for civilians to own. Surface to air missiles are arms too. I'm sure that back in 1791 the ever so wise forefathers knew that those such devices were to be developed in the future. SMH

Look I'll be the first to agree the gun is not at fault in these mass shootings. Guns do what the operator behind them cause them do. However don't be ignorant. We all know that governments make decisions that are considered better for the greater good. We all know that the bad apples ruin it for the rest of the bunch. The world has gotten worse the past couple decades. Social media is a huge factor in that and the lack of good solid parenting is too. Jesus at the things I have had to teach my children to be aware of so that they can be safe. It's nothing like when I was a kid. Raising children today is a huge challenge. My children are trained to shoot and know where our guns are and how to use them. They know exactly what to do if someone tries to enter our home uninvited. I also carry a gun everywhere I go just to protect my family. I fully anticipate my children getting their CHLs when they are old enough to.

And before you say, well what if the government turns on us and attacks our own people? Show me members of the armed forces that would actually carry out orders to attack their own fellow countrymen. Even if they actually did carry out the order your stupid little bump stock isn't going to do a damn thing against full auto 50 cal machine guns, tanks, AC130s and Apaches. Let's be real here. If you can't defend your home against unwanted visitors with a semi auto AR with a standard stock and a 30 round mag then you should go get some training.




The government doesn't have to amend your precious amendment. They will just write new laws that restrict what is allowed by the amendment. They've done it in the past and they will continue to do so. There is a changing of the guard happening. All those diehard 2A "bear arms" literal meaning conservatives are dying off. Change is coming. You can continue to be stubborn or you can start compromising. Let the opposition ban them completely while you sit there mad or instead suggest a compromise to make them a NFA item that makes them harder to attain.

They dont get it. Unfortunately they won' t understand till it's too late.

You two need to turn in your hot rods. They're too dangerous.

 

[Brutal Metal]

I'm sorry but owners of AR-15's that are sawing them in half and surrendering to police stations should have never purchased them in the first place!