2015 Mustang to gain 300lbs.!?!

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One of the shortcomings of the internet is that there are emoticons for EVERYTHING...except a sarcasm button...



See, was that so tough to admit?

Your ultimate candor, unlike Pericak's "version" of candor, is appreciated.

Wait a minute! I have been saying this the entire time. You were the one who disagreed with me, because you believed Pericak!

They meaning Ford never had the impression the new mustang was going to be lighter...

You were the one that said Ford knew the mustang was lighter.

You can rewrite history, but that doesn't make it so.

You then backed it up with evidence that was not since he never stated "it was lighter" all in a vid supposedly shot after the mustang was complete. Which means he knew exactly how much weight the mustang had gained.

Pericak was, in the beginning and as interviewed, aggressively attacking weight...and he was meeting all his targets. Then, things changed...but the talking points then shifted to "performance targets".

 

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New performance info with the heavier 15 Mustang GT: And, if that weren’t exciting enough, the 2015 Mustang will also make its first appearance in the United Kingdom running in the Supercar Class with Ford Team RS vehicle dynamics specialist David Put doing the driving.

So we’ll get to see how the S550 runs on track before it even hits the showrooms!
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[Bob Cosby]

I am a die hard drag racer. I always have been. I have ordered a '15 GT. So does that make me NOT a die hard drag racer? Yes weight is the enemy of a racer. a racer. Bob is perfectly ok stating his opinion. Hell when him and I used to run Factory Stock, that was the name of the game. We worked hard on getting the weight down to the rule book. Knowing Bob, he would throw some drag radials on , ons and a hell of a tune and drive the piss out of it until he tapped all of the potential of that combo. I want the car for the same. The weight doesn't bother me, but it does him. To each his own. I don't think he's knocking on the car, just stating that for what he would use the car, it doesn't suit his needs. I on the other hand love the way it looks and want to make 1,000whp with a little mustang. We all have our likes. I can tell you this, don't underestimate what "racers" can contribute as far as critique to this conversation. Especially guys that have run classes like Factory Stock, which "used" to require a whole lot wiggling within in the rules to put a virtually bolt on car deep in the 11's with little hp. So I understand perfectly Bob's point.

Hey Bob, I'll let you know what times I get pushing it down the track with old school FS methods. Should be a blast.

EXACTLY! There is hope!

Good luck - I'll be watching your progress!
Bob

 

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Wait a minute! I have been saying this the entire time. You were the one who disagreed with me, because you believed Pericak!

NOT for a New York minute...

You were the one that said Ford SAID the mustang was lighter.

CORRECTED

You then backed it up with evidence that WAS since he stated "it was UP TO 200 LB lighter" all in a vid supposedly after the mustang was complete. Which means he knew exactly how much weight the mustang had gained.

CORRECTED...AND CORRECT.

I think you better proof-read what YOU wrote...and RE-READ what I wrote.

REGARDLESS, you finally articulated PRECISELY the proper conclusion: DAVE PERCAK, the "no bull shit" Chief Engineer, LIED.

 

[rrg9946]

EXACTLY! There is hope!

Good luck - I'll be watching your progress!
Bob

Holy cow my post was hard to read. Needed a whole lot of editing. Smart phones "ain't" so smart sometimes.

Thanks FS1

 

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Let's start again power. Ford always knew the mustang was going to be heavier!

 

[Darth Racer]

I'd like to touch on what you said about weight distribution a bit. Just kinda spit balling here, but i think we all know what the ideal weight distribution is right? 50/50 or thereabouts for a neutral car. ALL of the mustangs weight is centered in the front with the big engine / transmission, even though some of that weight ends up towards the middle. We know the IRS added some more weight to the rear, and i am not suggesting Ford added weight for the sake of better distribution, but maybe someone took a look at it and went .... well this seems to work pretty well.

Most of the new weight is in the interior as well, and the cockpit basically sits in the middle of the weight distribution ( i realize this does not directly apply to you with drag racing), so i dont see the added 100 lbs really effecting handling that much. 100 lbs off the nost of a car and 100 lbs smack dab in the center are two completely different things when it comes to handling charactoristics. Same logic can be applied to any car on the street now. Just pulling random weight out wherever you can will not nevessarily translate into better track performance, the whole suspension needs to be designed around where that weight is going to be ...

I understand what you're saying. However, there's no denying that if GM had re-engineered their camaros to a balanced, lighter weight, they would've run quicker lap times than what are they are doing now.

 

[Darth Racer]

I am a die hard drag racer. I always have been. I have ordered a '15 GT. So does that make me NOT a die hard drag racer? Yes weight is the enemy of a racer. Bob is perfectly ok stating his opinion. Hell when him and I used to run Factory Stock, that was the name of the game. We worked hard on getting the weight down to the rule book requirements. Knowing Bob, he would throw some drag radials on , max bolt ons, get a hell of a tune and drive the piss out of it until he tapped all of the potential of that combo. I want the car for the same. The weight doesn't bother me, but it does him. To each his own. I don't think he's knocking on the car, just stating that for what he would use the car, it doesn't suit his needs. I on the other hand love the way it looks and want to make 1,000whp with a little mustang. We all have our likes. I can tell you this, don't underestimate what "racers" can contribute as far as critique to this conversation. Especially guys that have run classes like Factory Stock, which "used" to require a whole lot wiggling within in the rules to put a virtually bolt on car deep in the 11's with little hp. So I understand perfectly Bob's point.

Hey Bob, I'll let you know what times I get pushing it down the track with old school FS methods. Should be a blast.

Well, good for you and much success. Don't forget to swap out the IRS for a SRA.

 

[Darth Racer]

New performance info with the heavier 15 Mustang GT: And, if that weren’t exciting enough, the 2015 Mustang will also make its first appearance in the United Kingdom running in the Supercar Class with Ford Team RS vehicle dynamics specialist David Put doing the driving.

So we’ll get to see how the S550 runs on track before it even hits the showrooms!
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LOL...it won't be a real production model. It'll be a 'ringer'.

 

[rrg9946]

Well, good for you and much success. Don't forget to swap out the IRS for a SRA.

Not planning on swapping it out. If it holds up it then great, if it doesn't, I'll figure out a way to make it stronger. Or I'm sure a manufacturer will have some stronger parts available.

 

[Bob Cosby]

Briefly on the topic of the IRS....I wonder if and how expensive it would be to do a swap? Will be interesting to see. That said, I'd probably stick with the IRS too, assuming it is well engineered.

 

[Voltwings]

Ford is going to offer a Body in White with SRA arent they? I'd bet that SRA will be available through Ford Racing.

 

[rrg9946]

"It’s not going to rev any higher as far as the red line goes, but you are going to get more horsepower out of it and more torque ” – Dave Pericak, Ford Chief Engineer

 

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Ford is going to offer a Body in White with SRA arent they? I'd bet that SRA will be available through Ford Racing.

For sure the CJs will have a 9" and, perhaps, FRPP will offer a kit for those so predisposed. If not through FRPP, someone will.

 

[Darth Racer]

Not planning on swapping it out. If it holds up it then great, if it doesn't, I'll figure out a way to make it stronger. Or I'm sure a manufacturer will have some stronger parts available.

Well, okay, but there's are good reasons SRA is preferred in drag racing. I think I heard some are already offering SRA kits for the '15.

Here you go:

http://motrolix.com/2013/12/ford-ra...-axle-kit-for-2015-mustang-mustang-cobra-jet/

 

[662HP631TQ]

You are right....i'm just saying, A ZO6 or a few other cars would be much better of an option. But yes there is a 1% type of deal going on. And that is good for you. A champion should be concerned. The 99% of non-Champions seem to be at least not as angry about it. I'm not mad about you being mad about it. I just think that there are way better options out there weight considered. At this point there is no SVT product with solid info, at this point it'sjust a GT. Either way fantastic and phenomanlly innovative car by ford here, weight not withstanding I guess.

 

[rrg9946]

Well, okay, but there's are good reasons SRA is preferred in drag racing. I think I heard some are already offering SRA kits for the '15.

Here you go:

http://motrolix.com/2013/12/ford-ra...-axle-kit-for-2015-mustang-mustang-cobra-jet/

I'm pretty familiar with what is "preferred" in drag racing. I've been doing that for a little while now This is not going to be a drag car. This is a car that will see high horse power numbers for the streets. I will take it to the track in stock trim to make it go as quick as it can on drag radials. I want the best of both worlds pushed to the envolope as much as possible. No weight reduction, no race car looks, just a bad ass street car that can throw single digit 1/4 mile times with a/c and radio. Ask Bob how nice a/c is in the staging lanes lol.....But thanks for the tip.......

 

[igotyofire]

It seems the M3 to M4 dropped some weight, I would think the Mustang GT with IRS would be able to find some weight to cut. Perhaps they are saving that for a higher trim?

 

[Chameleon76]

It seems the M3 to M4 dropped some weight, I would think the Mustang GT with IRS would be able to find some weight to cut. Perhaps they are saving that for a higher trim?

Perhaps but it will still have a better power/weight ratio than the 14.

 

[RaceRedSnake]

I was one who was opposed to the concept of a heavier Mustang until I saw what SRT did with the Hellcat Challenger. SVT may need a slightly heavier Mustang to handle the horsepower level needed to outdo the Hellcat engines 707 horsepower. I was against IRS in a Mustang, but the 707 horsepower Hellcat has changed my thinking about IRS.