2010 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 cometh, order guide leaked online

[ViperBlueCobra]

Nah, I still don't believe it. The darn thing weighs 2 tons remember!!!

Its not like the 2 ton GT500 can run that fast.....oh wait....but its got 80 more hp. See, I told you the Camaro can't go that fast. But then again, the GT500 went 12.2, so just maybe the Camaro could go.....nah....
:beer:

How fast is an ls3 corvette?

 

[Formula51]

How fast is an ls3 corvette?

Best time is a high 11 and there are several low 12's. Like I said, I don't see the Camaro or Mustang running that fast.

11.71 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2590)
11.80 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, Npp - (3482)
12.10 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3567)
12.16 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73 - (2744)
12.17 @ 116.80 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (3290)
12.18 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 Z51 M6 - (2690)
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - (1282)
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6 - (337)
12.23 @ 112.86 - 940CACC - 08 Z51 A6 - (2880)
12.27 @ 118.66 - EZ28 - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (3251)
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6 - (679)
12.35 @ 117.47 - Bain - 08 A6 2.73 NPP - (2759)
12.38 @ 115.86 - Proney - 07 M6 - (3521)
12.40 @ 114.70 - Jschindler - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (2138)
12.41 @ 116.15 - JTorchz06 - 09 Z51 A6 NPP - (3190)
12.41 @ 115.38 - HOXXOH - 08 A6 F55 - (2486)
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6

 

[ViperBlueCobra]

Best time is a high 11 and there are several low 12's. Like I said, I don't see the Camaro or Mustang running that fast.

11.71 @ 119.94 - AndrewZPSU - 08 M6 - (2590)
11.80 @ 118.82 - Gmrulz - 08 A6 Z51, Npp - (3482)
12.10 @ 117.60 - Dingrao - 08 A6 - (3567)
12.16 @ 116.54 - Vinsane112 - 08 A6 2.73 - (2744)
12.17 @ 116.80 - Pettvette - 08 A6 - (3290)
12.18 @ 117.72 - Hardhattg - 08 Z51 M6 - (2690)
12.21 @ 115.45 - LS1LT1 - 06 A6 - (1282)
12.23 @ 115.58 - 06C6FVR - 06 Z51 M6 - (337)
12.23 @ 112.86 - 940CACC - 08 Z51 A6 - (2880)
12.27 @ 118.66 - EZ28 - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (3251)
12.31 @ 114.82 - CYA Vett - 05 F55 M6 - (679)
12.35 @ 117.47 - Bain - 08 A6 2.73 NPP - (2759)
12.38 @ 115.86 - Proney - 07 M6 - (3521)
12.40 @ 114.70 - Jschindler - 08 Z51 M6 NPP - (2138)
12.41 @ 116.15 - JTorchz06 - 09 Z51 A6 NPP - (3190)
12.41 @ 115.38 - HOXXOH - 08 A6 F55 - (2486)
12.42 @ 113.90 - DrRichie - 05 Z51 M6

11's stock for ls3 vette? :??:

 

[Formula51]

11's stock for ls3 vette? :??:

Sure. Not common, but the 405hp C5 Z06 did it also.

 

[DisturbedGT500]

Sure. Not common, but the 405hp C5 Z06 did it also.

Yep... The Silver 04 Zo6 11.93@117 (Bone Stock)


I think, I have the book some where with it in there.

 

[ON D BIT]

so how does the is-f hit 114/115 and the mustang and camaro cant come close? they all will have similar power to weight.

3780/416 ~ 9.09
3860/422 ~ 9.15
3650/400 ~ 9.13

 

[GTSpartan]

so how does the is-f hit 114/115 and the mustang and camaro cant come close? they all will have similar power to weight.

3780/416 ~ 9.09
3860/422 ~ 9.15
3650/400 ~ 9.13

Gearing and a fast ass shifting auto.

 

[ON D BIT]

Gearing and a fast ass shifting auto.

i was under the impression the auto helps time more than actual speed. is this incorrect?

 

[06F-150XL]

how much is the LS3 camaro ss gonna sell for??

 

[Captain Beyond]

No way the next GT run that time or speed. I would say more like 13 flat @ 108-110ish.

If they drop in the T6060 6spd it'll gain some weight too.

With 400 hp and 3600 lbs, it's very possible. Terminators have run those times with a similar power to weight ratio. :coolman:

 

[Captain Beyond]

Best time is a high 11 and there are several low 12's. Like I said, I don't see the Camaro or Mustang running that fast.

Why not? :shrug: I don't know about the Camaro, but I think the 2011 540 hp GT500 will. MM&FF ran a stock GT500KR to 11.90s @ 120+ on stock tires.
With the same hp and gearing (and probably lighter) I don't see why the GT500 can't duplicate the KR's #s. :coolman:

 

[Spawn]

I heard today that the production of the 2009 GT500 was about to stop so they can gear up for 2010 and the run may be in the low 1000 range for the 2009 year.

 

[Captain Beyond]

I hope you are right. I really do. BUT, I have some serious concerns about this actually happening. A 12.4 @ 114 would mean a complete departure from the the Mustang GTs current amazing recipe for selling cars.

For the car to accomplish this, it would need to change in many ways. It would need to stay light, which is expensive. It would need to gain power and gearing, presumably the 5.0L at 400hp and a 6-speed, which is expensive. It would need to increase traction, likely by better weight distribution and wider tires, which we have never seen on the GT. All of those things would mean a departure from the "budget minded" performance car that the Mustang GT has always been. This puts Ford in unfamiliar territory with the GT, which is not something I would think they want to do given the cars success.

To me, a high $20k performance car like the 2010 GT is a great feat in this world of expensive cars. I personally would like to see them stick with the success of the Mustang GT and work on improving the gas mileage while keeping the price down. I think that would be a good direction with CAFE standards and high gas prices sure to return. Perhaps they could add DI to the 4.6L and mate it with a 6-speed. That would help gas mileage and power.

The 400hp 5.0L, lightweight, 3.55 or 3.73 geared, wide tires, Camaro-kickin Mustang has always seamed like more of an SE Mustang to me costing in the $30 to $32k range. I just think it is going to be hard for Ford to convince the dads of teenagers and college kids to buy them a Mustang GT when it cost $30k+ and has 400hp. I say that not to poke fun, but because that has always been the difference to me between the sales. Your late 20's to the 40 something year old is going to buy Mustangs or Camaros, but the Mustang has always been more popular with the young crowd. I have attributed this to lower cost and lower power. The 2011 GT could change that and then its anybodies game. I just don't understand why Ford would want to take that risk.

You make some valid points and some not so, but you sound to me like you think that the Mustang has always been slower than the Camaro. :bored: While this may have been true back in 94-02, that hasn't always been the case. Mustang kicked Camaro butt before that during 82-93. I grew up during those glorious 5.0 days, so I remember them well. It's too bad GM killed the Camaro after 02, because I would have loved to see Ford's SVT offerings (Terminator/GT500) kick some serious Camaro butt. :-D I think it's great that GM is bringing back the Camaro. This has always been a fun and intense rivalry. With the addition of the Challenger, we now have another rival.
These are truely great times to be musclecar enthusiasts. :beer:

 

[Formula51]

Why not? :shrug: I don't know about the Camaro, but I think the 2011 540 hp GT500 will. MM&FF ran a stock GT500KR to 11.90s @ 120+ on stock tires.
With the same hp and gearing (and probably lighter) I don't see why the GT500 can't duplicate the KR's #s. :coolman:

The future GT500 is a completely different story. I was talking about the Mustang GT and the Camaro SS. Hey Captain, you missed my question earlier, does the 2010 GT500 keep the iron block?

 

[Formula51]

You make some valid points and some not so, but you sound to me like you think that the Mustang has always been slower than the Camaro. :bored: While this may have been true back in 94-02, that hasn't always been the case. Mustang kicked Camaro butt before that during 82-93. I grew up during those glorious 5.0 days, so I remember them well. It's too bad GM killed the Camaro after 02, because I would have loved to see Ford's SVT offerings (Terminator/GT500) kick some serious Camaro butt. :-D I think it's great that GM is bringing back the Camaro. This has always been a fun and intense rivalry. With the addition of the Challenger, we now have another rival.
These are truely great times to be musclecar enthusiasts. :beer:

I don't think the Camaro was always faster and never said so, but it was more powerful in most cases and always(?) more expensive. The Mustang won in the 82-93 years because it was lighter, not because it was more powerful. Also, the differences between the LX 5.0 and the Z28 5.7 were not as large as they were in 94-97 between an LT1 F-body and Mustang GT, especially the difference in 98-02. I look at recent history as being the most applicable to future car sales.

All I am saying, is that if I were the Ford CEO, I would leave the GT500 to play-in/dominate the horsepower wars and keep the Mustang GT fun, safe, reliable, and affordable to the masses. I would also focus heavily on gas mileage instead of power. Believe it or not, people buying a mid to upper $20k performance car CARE about gas mileage. I think the 2011 GT should get a 4.6L with direct injection making about 345hp and 355tq mated to a 6-speed transmission. This could potentially yield 27mpg highway in a fast, fun to drive, $28k Mustang GT Deluxe or $30k Mustang GT Premium. While those wishing for 400hp will certainly be disappointed if something like this happens, I hope this is what Ford does. I think THIS is what will sell more cars. From here, Ford could continue tweaking the motor, gearing, etc. and offer the 6 cylinder Eco Boost as an option with even more power and equal or better gas mileage. That way everyone is satisfied: those that want more power and those that must have a V8.

And without a doubt it is an amazing time to be a musclecar enthusiast!!!

In case you don't know, my money is on Ford going forward. The Camaro looks to be a great performer, but it is too heavy and too expensive in my opinion. Not for the content it offers, but for the market segment it competes in. Ford needs to make sure they don't make the same mistake and price a future GT at the same price because then all bets are off. It will be interesting to see what Ford does in the future. I am betting the 2011 GT does not get the 400hp 5.0 and that motors goes in a SE Mustang. Even though everyone says otherwise.

 

[ON D BIT]

Ford needs to make sure they don't make the same mistake and price a future GT at the same price because then all bets are off. It will be interesting to see what Ford does in the future. I am betting the 2011 GT does not get the 400hp 5.0 and that motors goes in a SE Mustang. Even though everyone says otherwise.

in most of your post you are always correcting people on the correct facts for the new camaro.
you state how the camaro will look better than the preproduction test cars. how the camaro weighs less than the magic 2 ton number roaming about. how the 422hp ls3 is available in base ss form for only 30k. and how the camaro gets 400+hp, and irs for only 3k more than the mustang gt! it is pretty clear you like gm's package better!

what i do not get is why you dont want ford to match gm? why you believe ford would be better off with less power and less price. and yet all your statements about the camaro being better than the mustang because it has more. now that is a contradiction!

yes the camaro is a nice package and we have no problems with either the mustang or camaro programs at this time. however most of us see your clear opinion on these two cars. and that is camaro has more, and you hope that the mustang will never match it! :beer:

 

[Captain Beyond]

The future GT500 is a completely different story. I was talking about the Mustang GT and the Camaro SS. Hey Captain, you missed my question earlier, does the 2010 GT500 keep the iron block?

Yes, the '10 GT500 will retain it's iron block, but we might see that 40+hp increase that year, if not then in 2011. IMO the '11 will be the one to get. :-D I was gonna hold out for that one, but damn :bored:, I already started modding mine. And besides, I prefer the looks of the current one to the new one. :coolman:

 

[OKC03Cobra]

Update:

Detroit Preview: 2010 Ford Shelby GT500 bites back - Autoblog

 

[ON D BIT]

Update:

Detroit Preview: 2010 Ford Shelby GT500 bites back - Autoblog

wow!!! i think that looks great! :beer:

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

And besides, I prefer the looks of the current one to the new one. :coolman:

Update:

Detroit Preview: 2010 Ford Shelby GT500 bites back - Autoblog

are you sure about that:rolling:

im amazed at how little the spy shot camo cars do the production model justice(damn good camo!!! lol), it looks absoloutley awesome! they took the bad ass mean looks of the GT500 and made it look WAY more athletic! the new wheels are a huge improvement too, my only major complaint about the first GT500s.