Anyone else frustrated with Ford over the next GT500?

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You can throw that Merriam-Webster definition away. Mustangs and Camaros are pony cars, not muscle cars. V8 Challengers/Chargers, the Chevy SS sedan, and (dare I say) the Taurus SHO are muscle cars. (Along with a few cars from the Germans.) The Mustang was built for two reasons; 1) Carroll Shelby wanted something to race against Corvettes (yep!) and 2) to be a working class man's GT/sports car. The Mustang literally defined the class, hence them being called "pony" cars. There were several pony cars in the late '60s and early '70s. The Mustang and Camaro are the only survivors.

Carroll Shelby went Chevrolet about building a Cobra but Chevrolet decline because they had the Corvette.
 
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Carroll Shelby went Chevrolet about building a Cobra but Chevrolet decline because they had the Corvette.

Shelby had already been with Ford for a long time. The way the documentaries and books (and he) put it, he went to Ford brass and said he wanted something he could use to "kick the shit out of the Corvette." You might be thinking of a "second generation" Cobra, which is what he eventually ended up making with Dodge by way of the Viper. Yes, the Viper was/is the modern Cobra.
 

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As I understand it, the Mustang was entirely Iaccoca's idea. Ford II and Iaccoca wanted a way make Mustang's perception be more than a sporty secretary coupe. They wanted to prove the car they designed was a performance machine if one chose to build it that way.

Shelby's relationship with Ford was healthy from the engine partnership with the Shelby Cobra. So, Ford handed the Mustang to Shelby American and the rest is history.

If you ask me, the Shelby GT350 and GT500 nameplates will always be synonymous with Ford Mustang performance. Before there was a Boss, Mach 1, or Bullitt there was a Shelby.
 

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Shelby had already been with Ford for a long time. The way the documentaries and books (and he) put it, he went to Ford brass and said he wanted something he could use to "kick the shit out of the Corvette." You might be thinking of a "second generation" Cobra, which is what he eventually ended up making with Dodge by way of the Viper. Yes, the Viper was/is the modern Cobra.
You said something I can agree with.

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HC Redeye. Claimed 797 hp. Looks like Ford has it’s work cut out for it.

htps://youtu.be/E0j4_zoLlac
Why do people think ford has to beat 797 or 10.8? Hell the new HC makes 717hp and runs 10.9. Is that extra 80 hp that important?

If Ford has 740/750 hp, can outrun the zl1 and 991 turbo, turn 11 flat in a car race drivers like driving more than Porsche or Lamborghini it will be a win and worth the wait!
 

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OH,.......I get it. Sorta like the GT350 and GT350R on the drag strip, right?!?!
HA HAAAAAAAAA

Hahahhaha sorta not though because demons in magazine hands ran high 10’s and low 11’s at drag strips while gt350r’s and gt350’s ran high 11’s and low 12’s in the same magazines hands, but obviously that 1-2 second gap at the strip is pretty damn awesome considering one car is a drag car only and the other pair are down 314hp while being setup entirely for handling and circuits with na engines no less vs supercharged engines and not to mention one car is on drag radials while the other pair are on street rubber and while one car is waaaaaaaaaay off its mark in real life of backing up its marketing hype in customer, magazine and owner testimonials meanwhile the other pair pretty much meet and exceed their marketing hype like dramatically and to the point where they get credited as being more fun to drive and rewarding than 911’s and Ferrari’s hahahahahhaha hahahhahahahabahhahhhahahhhahahahahahahahahahajajhajajajajajajbahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahaha

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I love this sentiment. I'm getting a deal, so it must be inferior. I raced a friend's ZL1 at Laguna Seca this weekend . The GT350's that were there didn't perform in any exceptional manner. Several guys in ZL1's were killing it. For a track focused car, they seem underwhelming in real life at the track. Maybe GT350 guys like reading Motortrend more than racing their cars.

Faster car for less money......am I missing something?

It's called artificial supply/demand plus dealer mark up. GM is simply building more of them and dealers aren't gouging their customers.

I haven't seen $15k less than MSRP, but if you find one at that price buy it.

The ZL1 is a pony car, too. There are a great many of us who simply don't want a ginormous car. It's called preferences. There are still people lining up to pay MSRP+ for GT350s even though they could stroll right over to a Chevy dealership and pickup a brand new ZL1 for as much as $15K below MSRP.
 
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I love this sentiment. I'm getting a deal, so it must be inferior. I raced a friend's ZL1 at Laguna Seca this weekend (f'ing awesome). The GT350's that were there didn't perform in any exceptional manner. Several guys in ZL1's were killing it. For a track focused car, they seem underwhelming in real life at the track. Maybe GT350 guys like reading Motortrend more than racing their cars.

Faster car for less money......am I missing something?

It's called artificial supply/demand plus dealer mark up. GM is simply building more of them and dealers aren't gouging their customers.

I haven't seen $15k less than MSRP, but if you find one at that price buy it.
It’s all about the driver. As proof a 15 Mustang gt pp was running .52’s at Sonoma while the c7z and 991.1 GT3 were running .56 and .57 respectively.

Gm dealers gouge their customers plenty until the stop buying cars. I’ve seen advertised adm on c6 z06 zr1, c7 z06 zr1 and a few camaro at first release. The reason they are selling for less money than a 3 year old GT350 is because people just don’t want them.
 

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For a track focused car, they seem underwhelming in real life at the track. Maybe GT350 guys like reading Motortrend more than racing their cars.

Faster car for less money......am I missing something?

It's called artificial supply/demand plus dealer mark up. GM is simply building more of them and dealers aren't gouging their customers.


I'm not arguing or disagreeing, just making a comment in relation to yours:

1. I've passed m3s and C6 z06s in a relatively stock Mazdaspeed3, so does the same "they seem underwhelming in real life at the track" logic apply?

2. The gen 6 camaro is a Boss, no one can deny that, to the point that as a lifelong mustang fan i honestly considered a 1LE. That being said, i've been consistently tracking for a few years now and i can probably count on 1 hand the number of camaros i have seen. I've only ever seen 2 Z28s, and 1 1le ... people just dont run them for whatever reason, it's strange. Meanwhile, i've seen 350s every weekend, mustang GTs from 1993+ are always in significant attendance ... maybe it's just the area i'm in, but an interesting viewpoint all the same.
 

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