Really? This Qualifies For "Stand Your Ground"

[Grabber]

Why would he not have a right to be in an establishment open to the public? Had he been PNG'd ?

That’s all fine, but over the years he has been hostile toward MANY members, incited racist arguments and made racial attacks against people and intentionally trolled. Not to mention over the years he has made physical threats against people here.


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[03cobra#694]

That’s all fine, but over the years he has been hostile toward MANY members, incited racist arguments and made racial attacks against people and intentionally trolled. Not to mention over the years he has made physical threats against people here.


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I for one am over it.

 

[rwleonard]

Oh! I thought this was referencing the shooter. My mistake.

 

[Grabber]

I for one am over it.

Same here man.

It's been years after years that this guy has attacked people.

I know it is only my opinion which holds little to no value, but, I think he should be perma-banned.

it is not a contribution to this community to make racist remarks and attacks and constantly do this over and over and over.

-Chris

 

[jaxbusa]

Now that the derailed section of track of gone, I would like to hear exactly what it is that would make you find Drejka guilty. I want to start by saying that Drejka’s actions don’t sit well with me, but it wouldn’t cause me to find him guilty and face prison time. His past accusations don’t sit well with me either. I am judging him in this case, that we call all see on video. He was legally carrying a concealed firearm. He was in a place where he had a right to be. He had the right to tell someone that they were parking illegally. Mr. Mcglockton committed battery on Mr. Drejka. I struggled through two things. Did that attack warrant the shooting, and the seemingly long time to fire the gun once it was out. I’ll work through those problems. For the first part of the question, I had to put myself or someone I care about in his shoes. He’s older and weaker than me, so I asked myself if my wife or father should have shot him. The answer is absolutely yes. A violent blindsided attack where the aggressor pulls up his pants and appears to be wanting to do more harm and the driver of the vehicle gets out would make a reasonable person fearful. The last part is tricky. I saw the video a few times and felt like he didn’t have to shoot. It appears the gun came out and Mr. Mcglockton took a step back and bladed his body. I counted a one second delay on were I felt it should have registered to the shooter that it was over. I started thinking that this was one shot that was well placed. It seems to me that he knew he had a bad backstop if he missed or haphazardly shot off a bunch of rounds. In the video you see him getting his sight picture and firing. Just as I have done at the shooting range. You identify your target, stare at your front sight while the target gets out of focus and then pull the trigger. And so I couldn’t find him guilty. That delay was him aiming. He wouldn’t have been able to see him take a step back. He probably had one eye shut. I don’t like it. It doesn’t sit well with me that it happened. I would have been able to avoid it. What specifically made you find him guilty?


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[Coiled03]

Been saying for years that he's this sites resident, professional victim and racist. No worries, he'll be back to keep pedaling his shit in a month.

 

[blk02edge]

Now that the derailed section of track of gone, I would like to hear exactly what it is that would make you find Drejka guilty. I want to start by saying that Drejka’s actions don’t sit well with me, but it wouldn’t cause me to find him guilty and face prison time. His past accusations don’t sit well with me either. I am judging him in this case, that we call all see on video. He was legally carrying a concealed firearm. He was in a place where he had a right to be. He had the right to tell someone that they were parking illegally. Mr. Mcglockton committed battery on Mr. Drejka. I struggled through two things. Did that attack warrant the shooting, and the seemingly long time to fire the gun once it was out. I’ll work through those problems. For the first part of the question, I had to put myself or someone I care about in his shoes. He’s older and weaker than me, so I asked myself if my wife or father should have shot him. The answer is absolutely yes. A violent blindsided attack where the aggressor pulls up his pants and appears to be wanting to do more harm and the driver of the vehicle gets out would make a reasonable person fearful. The last part is tricky. I saw the video a few times and felt like he didn’t have to shoot. It appears the gun came out and Mr. Mcglockton took a step back and bladed his body. I counted a one second delay on were I felt it should have registered to the shooter that it was over. I started thinking that this was one shot that was well placed. It seems to me that he knew he had a bad backstop if he missed or haphazardly shot off a bunch of rounds. In the video you see him getting his sight picture and firing. Just as I have done at the shooting range. You identify your target, stare at your front sight while the target gets out of focus and then pull the trigger. And so I couldn’t find him guilty. That delay was him aiming. He wouldn’t have been able to see him take a step back. He probably had one eye shut. I don’t like it. It doesn’t sit well with me that it happened. I would have been able to avoid it. What specifically made you find him guilty?


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For me, its his past full of intimidation and the pusher was in fact backing up when he ate lead. At the end of the day Im not sorry for either party involved. Both were trash. I do fully agree with being able to say something when armed but you dont stand there and give a full on yelling lecture at a woman with her kid unless its over something that directly affects your own way of life. Its asking for trouble

 

[Need 04 Wine]

So, in other words, you're going to do all the mental gymnastics possible to make the murderer look innocent of a situation that HE INSTIGATED IN THE FIRST PLACE. Saying the victim "shouldn't have parked in the handicap spot" is beyond disingenuous. Classic blame-the-victim tactic. I guess women who get raped shouldn't have went to the place where it happened or worn what they were wearing. I mean, if she didn't go there and/or dress in a way that provoked the rapist... It's not the rapist's fault he couldn't control his impulses brought on by what a woman wears. He was providing a community service by punishing women who don't dress the way moral "laws" say they should. If she had dressed more modestly, she wouldn't have been raped. Right?

So change the argument......to something you can morally win? You are arguing with yourself in that front.

trying to stretch illegally parking into a justified shooting is one hell of a stretch. Just because someone does something dickish doesnt mean it warrants any kind of response. I'm all for stand your ground but this guy was looking for a reason to a shoot someone and he found it/created it

You glazed over the part where he got attacked by someone twice his size.

I didn't say it was racially motivated, did I?! I said the murderer was using racial slurs. Stop being lazy and go read the beginnings of this thread where other articles were posted that the wife said the murderer was yelling racial slurs at her. And why is it that you people somehow expect black people to just say "yassa massa" and start backing down when y'all want to act the fool??? FOH with that mess. Yeah, the victim is dead, but the murderer is also going to prison because he wanted to be Billy Badass. Now he'll be getting all the ass kickings he deserves, and he won't have a gun to turn to. Poetic justice.

If somebody comes in my face trying to be Citizen Enforcer, yes, I'm punching them in the mouth. I don't care if they have a gun. Making sure my wife is taken care of is priority #1. If he shoots, I'll be dead and won't have another care in this world. My wife will become a wealthy woman. So... I win either way.

Perpetual bigot.


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[Need 04 Wine]

For me, its his past full of intimidation and the pusher was in fact backing up when he ate lead. At the end of the day Im not sorry for either party involved. Both were trash. I do fully agree with being able to say something when armed but you dont stand there and give a full on yelling lecture at a woman with her kid unless its over something that directly affects your own way of life. Its asking for trouble

Different world down there man.

Imagine growing up full well knowing any single person could be carrying a gun and legally be able to defend themselves.

It would change your entire mind set.
You would never bulldoze out of a store and run another person over , KNOWING they could be armed.

But the guy that did it was a thug. So he did. And now he dead cause he forgot.

The old guy still a pos IMO. Draw on him and walk away after. But at same time you escalated. Now maybe the broad in car shoots your ass.

Point is don’t lay hands on people first.



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[blk02edge]

Different world down there man.

Imagine growing up full well knowing any single person could be carrying a gun and legally be able to defend themselves.

It would change your entire mind set.
You would never bulldoze out of a store and run another person over , KNOWING they could be armed.

But the guy that did it was a thug. So he did. And now he dead cause he forgot.

The old guy still a pos IMO. Draw on him and walk away after. But at same time you escalated. Now maybe the broad in car shoots your ass.

Point is don’t lay hands on people first.



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Yea I get it, the pusher was very much so retarded, but in a court of law with video evidence and the history of the shooter pulled up, even in merica, thats not going to end well.

 

[rwleonard]

I have told my kids more than once, if you ever start carrying as an adult, you have to assume that ANY negative interaction could escalate into a shooting. So, stop and ask yourself, "Is this worth killing this guy over and spending the rest of my life in prison?"

 

[Need 04 Wine]

Yea I get it, the pusher was very much so retarded, but in a court of law with video evidence and the history of the shooter pulled up, even in merica, thats not going to end well.

They deserved each other there is no doubt.


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[DSG2003Mach1]

You glazed over the part where he got attacked by someone twice his size.

that wasn't the point, the point was someone parking like an asshole doesn't need to be a situation at all. This was not a situation worth losing your shit over and then it escalating to where it did. The person I quoted basically said the whole situation was the dead guy's fault because he started it by where he parked...that's ridiculous. The dude chose to put himself in that situation with someone twice his size. The fact that this whole thing even came to this is the result of 2 ****ing idiots being ****ing idiots.

 

[Need 04 Wine]

that wasn't the point, the point was someone parking like an asshole doesn't need to be a situation at all. This was not a situation worth losing your shit over and then it escalating to where it did. The person I quoted basically said the whole situation was the dead guy's fault because he started it by where he parked...that's ridiculous. The dude chose to put himself in that situation with someone twice his size. The fact that this whole thing even came to this is the result of 2 ****ing idiots being ****ing idiots.

Gotcha.

As I said before

They deserved each other.


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[ZYBORG]

Now that the derailed section of track of gone, I would like to hear exactly what it is that would make you find Drejka guilty. I want to start by saying that Drejka’s actions don’t sit well with me, but it wouldn’t cause me to find him guilty and face prison time. His past accusations don’t sit well with me either. I am judging him in this case, that we call all see on video. He was legally carrying a concealed firearm. He was in a place where he had a right to be. He had the right to tell someone that they were parking illegally. Mr. Mcglockton committed battery on Mr. Drejka. I struggled through two things. Did that attack warrant the shooting, and the seemingly long time to fire the gun once it was out. I’ll work through those problems. For the first part of the question, I had to put myself or someone I care about in his shoes. He’s older and weaker than me, so I asked myself if my wife or father should have shot him. The answer is absolutely yes. A violent blindsided attack where the aggressor pulls up his pants and appears to be wanting to do more harm and the driver of the vehicle gets out would make a reasonable person fearful. The last part is tricky. I saw the video a few times and felt like he didn’t have to shoot. It appears the gun came out and Mr. Mcglockton took a step back and bladed his body. I counted a one second delay on were I felt it should have registered to the shooter that it was over. I started thinking that this was one shot that was well placed. It seems to me that he knew he had a bad backstop if he missed or haphazardly shot off a bunch of rounds. In the video you see him getting his sight picture and firing. Just as I have done at the shooting range. You identify your target, stare at your front sight while the target gets out of focus and then pull the trigger. And so I couldn’t find him guilty. That delay was him aiming. He wouldn’t have been able to see him take a step back. He probably had one eye shut. I don’t like it. It doesn’t sit well with me that it happened. I would have been able to avoid it. What specifically made you find him guilty?


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Dude.... EXACTLY my thoughts and examination. Couldn’t have said it better my self.

 

[TBCobra]

Now that the derailed section of track of gone, I would like to hear exactly what it is that would make you find Drejka guilty. I want to start by saying that Drejka’s actions don’t sit well with me, but it wouldn’t cause me to find him guilty and face prison time. His past accusations don’t sit well with me either. I am judging him in this case, that we call all see on video. He was legally carrying a concealed firearm. He was in a place where he had a right to be. He had the right to tell someone that they were parking illegally. Mr. Mcglockton committed battery on Mr. Drejka. I struggled through two things. Did that attack warrant the shooting, and the seemingly long time to fire the gun once it was out. I’ll work through those problems. For the first part of the question, I had to put myself or someone I care about in his shoes. He’s older and weaker than me, so I asked myself if my wife or father should have shot him. The answer is absolutely yes. A violent blindsided attack where the aggressor pulls up his pants and appears to be wanting to do more harm and the driver of the vehicle gets out would make a reasonable person fearful. The last part is tricky. I saw the video a few times and felt like he didn’t have to shoot. It appears the gun came out and Mr. Mcglockton took a step back and bladed his body. I counted a one second delay on were I felt it should have registered to the shooter that it was over. I started thinking that this was one shot that was well placed. It seems to me that he knew he had a bad backstop if he missed or haphazardly shot off a bunch of rounds. In the video you see him getting his sight picture and firing. Just as I have done at the shooting range. You identify your target, stare at your front sight while the target gets out of focus and then pull the trigger. And so I couldn’t find him guilty. That delay was him aiming. He wouldn’t have been able to see him take a step back. He probably had one eye shut. I don’t like it. It doesn’t sit well with me that it happened. I would have been able to avoid it. What specifically made you find him guilty?


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If you have to get your sights on target at that distance you need more time at the range. That's point and shoot range right there.

It's all about instigation, the shooter is a dumbass for putting himself in that situation and once he pulled his gun and the guy started retreating the shooter should have attempted to stand up and get away. But from the report it's pretty clear he wanted to shoot someone and he did.

Husband/boyfriend made a poor mistake on pushing that guy down and it cost him his life. Shitty situation all around.

 

[ZYBORG]

If you have to get your sights on target at that distance you need more time at the range. That's point and shoot range right there.

It's all about instigation, the shooter is a dumbass for putting himself in that situation and once he pulled his gun and the guy started retreating the shooter should have attempted to stand up and get away. But from the report it's pretty clear he wanted to shoot someone and he did.

Husband/boyfriend made a poor mistake on pushing that guy down and it cost him his life. Shitty situation all around.

Just point and shoot, eh? Easy peasy!

Lol, come on bro, the guy had just been put on his ass. HARD. You better believe the smart thing to do was ensure a good shot.

Yeah, the guy don’t have to calculate wind speed and distance, but he damn well better get his sights on the guy right.

 

[rwleonard]

If you have to get your sights on target at that distance you need more time at the range. That's point and shoot range...

Bullshit. The only time you shouldn't be looking at your sights is in grappling range.

Just thought I'd start a whole new argument.

And got treed a bit.

 

[TBCobra]

Just point and shoot, eh? Easy peasy!

Lol, come on bro, the guy had just been put on his ass. HARD. You better believe the smart thing to do was ensure a good shot.

Yeah, the guy don’t have to calculate wind speed and distance, but he damn well better get his sights on the guy right.

Yes, it really is. Go out and shoot at that distance by pressing the gun out towards the target and you should easily hit it. I remember taking a class a year or so ago and doing drills where I'd draw from my holster and shoot while moving horizontally at a target without looking through my sights.

He was knocked down but the point I'm making is more towards the poster you replied to who was talking about how it took the guy a few seconds to get on target so him shooting was justified. (paraphrasing of course).

Just channel your inner Chuck Norris.

Edit: And yes, I agree on wanting to ensure a good shot but if you're so scared for your life with someone that close are you really going to be lining up your front and rear sight? Come on dawg.

 

[Booky]

Yeah, the guy don’t have to calculate wind speed and distance, but he damn well better get his sights on the guy right as he was walking away.

Fixed it for you.



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