Because I am a conceal carry guy, I avoid trouble. This guy seems to have worn his anger in his holster. It will be a tough row to hoe in Florida. The assault is likely enough to support his defense. Juries are hard to predict.
Really? This Qualifies For "Stand Your Ground"
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I'd have empathy for the dead if the shooter was threatening to KILL or harm the driver.
As a citizen, do we not have the right to speak? In other words, wasn't he within his rights to speak and voice his displeasure to someone who was in a parking spot? Was the decedent within his rights to forcibly shove a man to the ground because said man was opening his mouth about a parking situation? Someone moving slightly back is no longer a threat?
As a citizen, do we not have the right to speak? In other words, wasn't he within his rights to speak and voice his displeasure to someone who was in a parking spot? Was the decedent within his rights to forcibly shove a man to the ground because said man was opening his mouth about a parking situation? Someone moving slightly back is no longer a threat?
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He didn't move till he saw the dude had a gun. No gun = totally different attitude.
The more I watch and listen to this the more convinced I am that this is justified.
Listen to the press brief. You know the defendants attorney will be using this.
No arrest in Clearwater shooting death; Sheriff says 'Stand your Ground' applies
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I hope no one here ever has to point a firearm at someone because they felt in danger because god damn it is scary when you do it and it must be amplified infinitly when you actually pull the trigger. That man was violently pushed to the ground and who is to say how the impact effected him in terms of pain and what not and for all we know he could have been slightly concussed or who knows what. The way in which he was shoved was clear to me the intent was to harm him. I won't engage in the murder, manslaughter, etc.., because I am not an attorney but as a human being I understand the ways in which people view something as a threat varies from person to person.
In Oregon , stand your ground works , until you shoot someone in the back ....just saying .
There is no threat when the perp is walking away .
There is no threat when the perp is walking away .
The Stand Your Ground law means you do not have the duty to retreat.
The dead guy pulled 2 dick moves, parking in a handicapped spot, then escalating a verbal confrontation. If we had just read about this and didn't have video pretty much everyone would probably be on the side of the shooter. With video though I have to say this is manslaughter. He definitely had time to think about what he was doing after he pulled his gun and dead guy no longer posed a threat as he backed away.
This is coming from a staunch supporter of the 2A that has a license to carry and does daily.
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I understand your point on Stand Your Ground. I think FL is more liberal on the rule than Ohio is. Im certain the gunman would be charged with manslaughter up here because he did not retreat.
The gunman seemed to had the opportunity to retreat, but did not as in Ohio. May be the victim felt his girlfriend was in danger and felt he had to defend her?
Im a CCW person too, but there’s going to be a lot of controversy on this.
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CCW holder is in the wrong plain and simple. Yeah he got pushed...Yes he felt embarrassed, humiliated, and his ego/machismo got in the way of his thinking. The aggressor pushed him down, yes but threw no punches, and backed away afterwards. Yell at my wife like that and you'll get a similar result. Regardless of parking, he was waiting from a normal parking spot to look for people parking in the HC parking.
In my opinion he's just another homer who feels like bigman on campus when carrying. I see them all the time lately.
In my opinion he's just another homer who feels like bigman on campus when carrying. I see them all the time lately.
Absolutely. I'm not familiar with Ohio's laws but in Florida you don't have a duty to retreat. In TX there is no specific "Stand Your Ground" law but it is effectively there due to the current provisions in the laws.
Every state is different. Here we have the castle doctrine which basically means in your house or vehicle you do not have to retreat. Other then that you have duty to retreat, which means if you can you have to back off. Florida has stand your ground in public areas, but this guy may have pushed past that limit if some prosecutor wants to peruse it.
Watching the entire sequence slowed slowed down IMO it clearly shows a deliberate act once he felt he had the green light. Interesting the level of coverage the media has given this shooting, given the only difference is a CCW involved vs most similar shootings. His actions as a CCW holder are indefensible and inexcusable but it's Florida so who knows. I hear CNN's report is of a black father killed by a Trump supporting CCH deplorable.
I'd agree if that retarded shooter wasn't out instigating a fight, that alone makes this beyond unjust. As stupid as the dude was to shove him, ending ones life when you are a miserable POS looking for a reason is FAR worse. NOT justified
The whole point of so-called "stand your ground" laws is that as a law abiding person in a private or public space, you have every right to be where you are and stay where you are and defend yourself if necessary when confronted by an aggressor. HOWEVER...your protection under the law goes out the window when you've instigated the situation that calls for your defense. This one's tricky because the guy could claim he was in fear for his life (bull shit, but potentially defensible), but he also damn sure put himself smack into the situation. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
"Stand your ground" only works if the attacker is not relenting. It is meant to stop further aggression, not to conduct a summary execution. In this case the attacker clearly changes course after the firearm is displayed and begins to retreat, therefore the "ground" has been won and the attacker thwarted. Everything that comes after that moment is a crime in my opinion.
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As I said, shoot him the back , and you are not defending yourself , you are committing a crime .
What could be to blame is this gentleman's extensive training, ingrained in his mind how he should never pull unless he plans to fire. Actually, if Trump wasn't in office that store would have enough money for multiple handicap spots, thus allowing both statistics to have one.
You've said it twice now, and I hope you're never on a jury.
He didn't shoot him in the back so I don't know why you keep saying this.
You must be older and a push to the ground would incapacitate you. Because you can block or deflect a kick. Idk what happened to the days of whipping somebody's ass or taking an ass whooping and moving about your day, without supposedly "fearing for your life" like you're some kind of snowflake and shooting someone but it needs to make a comeback.
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