Nascar, confederate battle flag and our rights

[Blk04L]

When does the Texas flag become offensive to Mexicans or Latinos? It does represent the taking of the Mexicans land. It will happen. And as their voting block becomes larger and more influential more things will come their way and we'll be forced to bow down to their whims. The most trampled on people in North America are the Native American Indian. But because they make up such a low percentage of the population, mainly by extermination by white settlers, nobody cares.

I remember a lot of articles/video clips of Indians protesting the Redskins name/logo last year. There were white apologist supporting them and news channels interviewing random Indians about the team.

Snyder didn't give a **** and it died down.

IMO it's all about weathering the storm. Seemed like no one wanted to fight for the Confed-flag and private companies went out of their way to stop selling it.

If Texan leadership bows right away to any opposition, then it'll be taken down if that scenario comes true.

 

[oldstv]

Was anyone else offended by the colors that were displayed on the white house? If not maybe I am a minority, and if so then I might have some status. As it stands right now the majority means nothing in the country anymore....or so it seems.

 

[Monkeygrits]

I'm just the opposite. Go back to when the manufacturers had a say in what was on the track. No more template cars. No more everyone has the same hp. Let the manufacturers tout their supremacy by bringing out some badass motor that has to homologated. When was the last pushrod Ford motor produced? Mid 90's in an Econoline van? Ford Nascar teams should be running some DOHC, an engine that resembles what is in their passenger vehicles. Nascar is purely about Lowe's, Dupont, Subway, etc..., very little to do with the vehicle manufacturer. This is why we have the pussification of Nascar regarding the Confederate flag., They don't want to piss off sponsors, 0 to do with the actual fans. Alteast the NHRA lets Force go crazy with conspiracy theories in his interviews.

I'm on the other side of the argument I guess.
Sponsorship drives the sport. With out it we don't have NASCAR. Hell we don't have any sort of top level of Motorsports for that matter, including NHRA. The template cars have been around since the 80s and aren't going anywhere. They are safer now than they have ever been. It's not gonna change. The racing is close. People aren't winning by 50 laps like in the early days of the sport. Why do you think Petty's win total will never be broken. I for one don't wanna see 1 driver win by such a margin that the racing sucks. There's no way in hell that would be fun to sit through live. If you go back to letting manufacturers call the shots, this is what you'll have. Let the drivers decide the race and not the equipment.

 

[jbs$]

Yes, I was offended. The next President, to set the new tone for our Nation, as his first acts, should send an Honor Guard to the British Ambassador, to retrieve Sir Winston Churchill's stature and the second, send a fumigation crew to the White House before moving in.

 

[OhIIICobra]

Minorities look at the flag and associate it with the civil war, slavery and racism. You probably aren't going to ever change that.

Maybe fly your State flag to show your Southern pride?

I wonder if the "minorities" know that the last Confederate general to surrender during the civil war was a minority and Native American? Nah, they probably can't wrap their mind around that fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_Watie

Not sure if you are aware, but the southern states have already had the majority of their state flags scrubbed of "offensive" symbols by those who enjoy kowtowing to easily offended minorities. Once you start down that path, it is a never ending proposition of appeasing those who whine the loudest.

 

[colin450]

I wonder if the "minorities" know that the last Confederate general to surrender during the civil war was a minority and Native American? Nah, they probably can't wrap their mind around that fact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_Watie

Not sure if you are aware, but the southern states have already had the majority of their state flags scrubbed of "offensive" symbols by those who enjoy kowtowing to easily offended minorities. Once you start down that path, it is a never ending proposition of appeasing those who whine the loudest.

You don't have to try and convince me. I have no problem with the flag and never will. I know it's been made into something that it's not. All I was saying was you aren't going to convince the people who claim it's "offensive", that it's not. You can throw facts at these people all day. All they have to do is cry and people will appease them.

 

[OhIIICobra]

You can throw facts at these people all day. All they have to do is cry and people will appease them.

You've got that right!

 

[2KBlackGT]

You don't have to try and convince me. I have no problem with the flag and never will. I know it's been made into something that it's not. All I was saying was you aren't going to convince the people who claim it's "offensive", that it's not. You can throw facts at these people all day. All they have to do is cry and people will appease them.

My thing is this. How can you tell someone what they should be offended by? Its like you guys are saying they shouldn't be offended by something that is OBVIOUSLY part of the rebel flags history. The flag stood for many things positive and negative. I akin it to how people can agree with some stances politicians have, but find out about a couple of other stances the same politician has and decide not to vote for him because of it. Yeah he had some positives to him but you just couldn't get pass the negatives.

 

[Coiled03]

The flag stood for many things positive and negative.

Correct.

So, tell me....why is only one side's opinion being listened to? Why is the opinion of those who find it "offensive" somehow more important than those who don't?

 

[2KBlackGT]

Correct.

So, tell me....why is only one side's opinion being listened to? Why is the opinion of those who find it "offensive" somehow more important than those who don't?

This I can not answer. That side isn't trying to make the flag illegal though, just don't want it flown on government property. The removing of Dukes of Hazard reruns and the golfer painting over the flag on the general lee is just stupid imo.

 

[CobraBob]

Then you are right- I was never of fan- better yet a deceived one!! Made aware of their prejudices sickens me. Capitalizing on the good ole southern boys until they were rich- and now they want to be political. Again to that I say SCREW THEM and the NBC, CBS, ABC,CNN group as well

I found this definition of the word 'political' from the Urban Dictionary very interesting.
An adjective used to describe actions or statements which are self-serving.
Political works typically involve half-truths (such as statistics), hidden motives, deceptiveness, faked integrity or sincerity, or false advertising via exaggeration.
These political actions are frequently immoral since they offer no regard for honesty or justice.

Hence we have the word 'politically correct'. Same key words apply. Involves half-truths, self-serving, hidden motives (I'll add self-seeking motives), false integrity/sincerity (hidden behind social media), or false advertising via exaggeration.

Social media drives the PC machine, and the PC machine wields a lot of power/influence because to buck the PC machine hits the corporate pocketbook big time. Which is why corporations respond so quickly to a social media attack. They will do whatever necessary to agree with the PC machine to ensure that their profits and self-serving is not compromised. JMO.

 

[Blown 89]

A perfect example of a vocal minority making changes for everyone else.

The "be tolerant of my beliefs but I refuse to tolerate yours" attitude of this country at the moment is sickening.

 

[oldstv]

a perfect example of a vocal minority making changes for everyone else.

The "be tolerant of my beliefs but i refuse to tolerate yours" attitude of this country at the moment is sickening.

+++1000% me too!!!!!

 

[OhIIICobra]

My thing is this. How can you tell someone what they should be offended by? Its like you guys are saying they shouldn't be offended by something that is OBVIOUSLY part of the rebel flags history. The flag stood for many things positive and negative. I akin it to how people can agree with some stances politicians have, but find out about a couple of other stances the same politician has and decide not to vote for him because of it. Yeah he had some positives to him but you just couldn't get pass the negatives.

Being offended is as much a personal decision as allowing oneself to be enslaved IMO.

 

[2KBlackGT]

Being offended is as much a personal decision as allowing oneself to be enslaved IMO.

I actually agree with you here. We on SVTP acts like nothing offends us though? It seems like many are offended by people being offended by this flag. When did we stop being humans with feelings? We're all T1s I guess lol.

 

[SolarYellow]

I actually agree with you here. We on SVTP acts like nothing offends us though? It seems like many are offended by people being offended by this flag. When did we stop being humans with feelings? We're all T1s I guess lol.

Two things I don't have: Being offended nor jealous. My brain does not allow me to feel in such ways. I just do not care. People can be offended over anything they deem appropriate and worthy but that does not mean the action or display causing such discomfort should be stopped.

 

[OhIIICobra]

I actually agree with you here. We on SVTP acts like nothing offends us though? It seems like many are offended by people being offended by this flag. When did we stop being humans with feelings? We're all T1s I guess lol.

This old quote basically sums up my feelings "those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves". Been awhile since I've read the Constitution but I don't remember feelings or offense / offended being in the text. The harsh truth is America has never been a place for the faint of heart.

 

[Deceptive]

I actually agree with you here. We on SVTP acts like nothing offends us though? It seems like many are offended by people being offended by this flag. When did we stop being humans with feelings? We're all T1s I guess lol.

For me it is a choice to not allow that leverage over me. I was a jackass when I was young which caused me to have problems with people during my primary school days. It was my own doing, it made me stronger because I realized I chose to be offended, to be a jackass, to be whatever. When I stopped those ways, life changed. I turned my life around.

A flag doesn't stop me from living my life no matter the meaning, words can only hurt if you let them. People use words and symbols when they know they will hurt you. People use these things to hurt a person even when they do not believe in them. As a Veteran an ISIS flag waived in my face would do nothing to me. I'd smile as it is powerless.

There is a difference in symbols being twisted and their meaning desecrated. You should take offense to a symbol being desecrated. But not offended by symbol.

 

[CobraRed01]

Id like it to where driver skill and strategy come into play more than throwing gobs of money at it to win.

Lets have a spec racing series where you buy the same car from the same vendor/mfgr, and its on the driver skill, crew chief where-with-all, car setup, etc to win. Everyone starts off with the same exact car that they dont get to unwrap until Saturday morning. Then they can spend all day saturday tweaking and tuning set number of changeable items and then come race day you see who did it best, knowing that still may not be enough as an accident, or bunch of restarts, bunch of cautions, etc may still throw that great setup racecar out the window.

I think they called it... IROC.

 

[2KBlackGT]

This old quote basically sums up my feelings "those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves". Been awhile since I've read the Constitution but I don't remember feelings or offense / offended being in the text. The harsh truth is America has never been a place for the faint of heart.

I don't think anyone's freedoms have been stepped on in this whole ordeal.

For me it is a choice to not allow that leverage over me. I was a jackass when I was young which caused me to have problems with people during my primary school days. It was my own doing, it made me stronger because I realized I chose to be offended, to be a jackass, to be whatever. When I stopped those ways, life changed. I turned my life around.

A flag doesn't stop me from living my life no matter the meaning, words can only hurt if you let them. People use words and symbols when they know they will hurt you. People use these things to hurt a person even when they do not believe in them. As a Veteran an ISIS flag waived in my face would do nothing to me. I'd smile as it is powerless.

There is a difference in symbols being twisted and their meaning desecrated. You should take offense to a symbol being desecrated. But not offended by symbol.

I feel you, at the same time I find it hard to believe that nothing can or will offend you. Example: I've mentioned before that I worked at a HDC with residents with physical and mental issues/disorders. We often went out into the public to shop, bowl, catch a movie and many other things. We wanted our residents to live as close to a "normal" life as possible. Many times we would get funny looks and every now and again I'd hear insensitive comments from people if we were talking to long in line to pay for something. The looks i could deal with, the comments not so much. I've never snapped at anyone for it because I didn't want my clients seeing that and I'd have lost my job and possible put on the registry for putting my clients in danger. My point is people don't have to say or do anything directly to you for you to be offended, what if you're out with a sick parent, grandparent, child, and someone is disrespectful towards them? Not being offended isn't as simple as you make it out to be IMO.