Nascar, confederate battle flag and our rights

[jshen]

We are being robbed of our heritage by the money wealdng fat cats- Hillary is one. What if all you guys had to by GM products because Ford is seen as racial...

Solution- stop buying Nascar tickets, and anything else that supports them such as commercials...I will not buy a product that has weighed into this not watcha film wit any of the leftist Holiwood stars.....That and I am thinging about running for State Senator.

Our founding fathers had a lapse in mental judgment in not putting Term Limits on ALL govt, officials.. Smart enough to put term limits on the president, but naïve, greed, corruption, no such limits on members of congress and the federal bench. Trust me when I say there is NOTHING SUPERIOR OR SUPREME about a group of 9 who make up the law....For life. Same with our congressional leaders! Has anyone take time to see what they are worth by working this system to their benefit????? Hillary was broke until she did the ....speach thing......No wonder people want to move from here. I favor a fight to get our states rights back, empower the 10 th A. and kick those old politicians and judges to the curb...Include our local politicians as well

 

[Black02GT]

Well for one the Supreme Court does not "make up the law" they interpret the law. Ultimately someone has to make a ruling on how the laws are applied and what the intent of the said laws are.

I get the idea of having lifetime appointments as they are supposed to be passing judgment logically and not politically. Their decisions are supposed to be based on the law not what the people want. If they had to be re-elected they might be swayed in fear of retribution.

Now, if your saying that when your appointed you have say 12-16 years (3-4 Pres terms) then your out no matter what, I could see that.

I don't really care about getting paid for speeches as much as I hate the whole revolving door thing. I think it's BS you can write laws that favor a certain company or industry, retire a year later then get hired by said company for big money. It's like post facto bribery.

*** I don't really care about the Confederate flag thing mu comments are not in regard to this. ***

 

[jshen]

If you don't think that group of nine do not make up the law, then please find "privacy" in the Constitution.. It was made up during the Roe v. Wade case by Justice Brennen. Ever heard the phrase "activist court"- We have one! Congress has proven how greedy politicians are and following that NOBODY should be appointed for life for anything- nine kings and queens...The non-taxi paying voters outnumber the taxpayers and we know how that will end. Each State needs to push for Fed Constitutional Amendments mandating term limits.

 

[black99lightnin]

If you refuse to watch NASCAR because locations that are private property choose to not allow something, then you were never a fan. I get the whole heritage thing, but the flag has taken on new meaning. Swastikas have been used by certain religions for thousands of years, but thanks to the National Socialist party, it has a completely different meaning. Personally I am not offended by either flag, but NASCAR is trying to expand the fan base to include minorities and for them seeing a bunch of Confederate Battle flags waving is a turn off.

I listen to NASCAR radio on Sirius pretty much all day at work, and this past week you would never have known there was an awesome race at Sonoma thanks to all the calls from people complaining about not being able to fly their flag. Richard Petty even said to just wait a week or two and everyone would forget about it.

And nascar has rammed mediocre at best drivers down our throats in the name of inclusion. I don't care where Danica finishes every week. I also don't give two shits about the Rebel flag. What bothers me is a such a small percentage of the population is making decisions for everyone. Surely the KFC colonel bothers people, the Ole Miss mascot......where does it end?

 

[black99lightnin]

Then you are right- I was never of fan- better yet a deceived one!! Made aware of their prejudices sickens me. Capitalizing on the good ole southern boys until they were rich- and now they want to be political. Again to that I say SCREW THEM and the NBC, CBS, ABC,CNN group as well

The only thing Nascar cares about is money. It has become the most unwatchable form of Motorsports.

 

[jshen]

The "new" KFC colonel is an insult and mockery to the old! Had a chance to meet him many, many years ago and he was a decent man trying to make a living.

Agreed to your posts black99lightnin +

 

[jbs$]

NASCAR now has a lot in common with the GM cars of the late 70's and early 80's. Both the cars and the drivers, all look alike, no personality difference in them. None will say or do anything other than what is a bland non-controversial action. Where is the car banging excitement or the pit crews having a little fisticuffs discussion with another crew over driving methods. Bring back the excitement, give them a short safety list, weigh the cars, then other than that, run what you bring.

 

[thomas91169]

NASCAR now has a lot in common with the GM cars of the late 70's and early 80's. Both the cars and the drivers, all look alike, no personality difference in them. None will say or do anything other than what is a bland non-controversial action. Where is the car banging excitement or the pit crews having a little fisticuffs discussion with another crew over driving methods. Bring back the excitement, give them a short safety list, weigh the cars, then other than that, run what you bring.

Thats a quick way to limit the playing field to the same 10 people with the most corporate backing.

 

[jbs$]

Thomas, and how is that different from what you have now? Just may be less boring. The general idea could be fleshed out a little, to widen the possible field of participates.

 

[Rct851]

Thats a quick way to limit the playing field to the same 10 people with the most corporate backing.

that sounds good to me. I don't like how large a role lappers play as it is, same in supercross racing. The back of the field gets caught so quickly and its the same 2nd and 3rd rate teams back there most of the time.

 

[OhIIICobra]

where does it end?

Unfortunately it won't end so long as Americans bend over and let their rights end where some random assholes feelings begin.

 

[thomas91169]

Id like it to where driver skill and strategy come into play more than throwing gobs of money at it to win.

Lets have a spec racing series where you buy the same car from the same vendor/mfgr, and its on the driver skill, crew chief where-with-all, car setup, etc to win. Everyone starts off with the same exact car that they dont get to unwrap until Saturday morning. Then they can spend all day saturday tweaking and tuning set number of changeable items and then come race day you see who did it best, knowing that still may not be enough as an accident, or bunch of restarts, bunch of cautions, etc may still throw that great setup racecar out the window.

 

[OhIIICobra]

Id like it to where driver skill and strategy come into play more than throwing gobs of money at it to win.

Lets have a spec racing series where you buy the same car from the same vendor/mfgr, and its on the driver skill, crew chief where-with-all, car setup, etc to win. Everyone starts off with the same exact car that they dont get to unwrap until Saturday morning. Then they can spend all day saturday tweaking and tuning set number of changeable items and then come race day you see who did it best, knowing that still may not be enough as an accident, or bunch of restarts, bunch of cautions, etc may still throw that great setup racecar out the window.

Probably sacrilege in this thread, but that basically sums up why I never could get into modern NASCAR. The early days and it's origins were a hell of a lot more entertaining IMO.

 

[Deceptive]

If you like racing, why not watch SCCA? Rally? Trans Am Series? Etc??? There are so many good racing series where Manufacturers, not rules and corporate sponsors matter. Look at NASCAR, take off the paint and sponsorship, could you name the car? Engine Manufacturer? NASCAR could end tomorrow and I could care less. They are all the same car, making left turns, where you could guess the lap leader time within a second.

 

[Monkeygrits]

Nascar hasn't banned the Confederate flag... Yet. I'm a huge Nascar fan and my wife and I enjoy going to the races. We are going to Richmond and Martinsville this year. I think the racing is good, especially on the short tracks like Martinsville. If you really enjoy nascar, I think it sucks you would abandon that because of a flag you don't even fly at the track. But that's your right. Bottom line is, just like umbrellas in the grandstand or glass bottles, they can ban what they want from their facility because it is privately owned. You can decide whether you want to attend the race and that's your right. I'm sure every track will be a sea or red until the end of the year which is fine by me but either way, I'm not gonna stop going.

 

[KingBlack]

nobody is taking anybodies right to fly the flag away from them...smh

 

[OhIIICobra]

nobody is taking anybodies right to fly the flag away from them...smh

That ship’s sailed. NASCAR already vowed to remove Confederate battle flags from their events as they’ve deemed them “offensive”.
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...statement-nascar-tracks-confederate-flag.html

So NASCAR fully supports descendants of American Revolutionary War veterans waving American flags on the 4th of July some 239 years after that conflict, yet if some of the 70+ million descendent of Confederate military veterans (who are recognized by Congress) want to celebrate their heritage it’s “offensive”? That is PC hypocrisy at it’s finest.

Meanwhile NASCAR promotes how they love and support America’s veterans. What a crock of shit. As a veteran I’m not good with people, organizations, corporations, etc who want to erase the sacrifice and honorable service of former American military veterans. I don't give a shit how long ago the conflict was.

Past American military veterans > offended pussies.

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...ay-phoenix.html#Casey-Mears-paint-scheme-main

The PC police are vilifying anyone with southern pride and throwing out the blanket overused race card arbitrarily.

 

[colin450]

Social media has given too many uneducated people a platform to act offended, and feel like they need to take a moral high ground on things. I don't have any feelings toward the flag. I think it's dumb when people from non-Southern states fly it. Minorities look at the flag and associate it with the civil war, slavery and racism. You probably aren't going to ever change that.

Maybe fly your State flag to show your Southern pride? Texas has one of the most recognizable State flags (my opinion) because Texans seem to proudly display it when they have the opportunity.

 

[black99lightnin]

Id like it to where driver skill and strategy come into play more than throwing gobs of money at it to win.

Lets have a spec racing series where you buy the same car from the same vendor/mfgr, and its on the driver skill, crew chief where-with-all, car setup, etc to win. Everyone starts off with the same exact car that they dont get to unwrap until Saturday morning. Then they can spend all day saturday tweaking and tuning set number of changeable items and then come race day you see who did it best, knowing that still may not be enough as an accident, or bunch of restarts, bunch of cautions, etc may still throw that great setup racecar out the window.

I'm just the opposite. Go back to when the manufacturers had a say in what was on the track. No more template cars. No more everyone has the same hp. Let the manufacturers tout their supremacy by bringing out some badass motor that has to homologated. When was the last pushrod Ford motor produced? Mid 90's in an Econoline van? Ford Nascar teams should be running some DOHC, an engine that resembles what is in their passenger vehicles. Nascar is purely about Lowe's, Dupont, Subway, etc..., very little to do with the vehicle manufacturer. This is why we have the pussification of Nascar regarding the Confederate flag., They don't want to piss off sponsors, 0 to do with the actual fans. Alteast the NHRA lets Force go crazy with conspiracy theories in his interviews.

 

[black99lightnin]

Social media has given too many uneducated people a platform to act offended, and feel like they need to take a moral high ground on things. I don't have any feelings toward the flag. I think it's dumb when people from non-Southern states fly it. Minorities look at the flag and associate it with the civil war, slavery and racism. You probably aren't going to ever change that.

Maybe fly your State flag to show your Southern pride? Texas has one of the most recognizable State flags (my opinion) because Texans seem to proudly display it when they have the opportunity.

When does the Texas flag become offensive to Mexicans or Latinos? It does represent the taking of the Mexicans land. It will happen. And as their voting block becomes larger and more influential more things will come their way and we'll be forced to bow down to their whims. The most trampled on people in North America are the Native American Indian. But because they make up such a low percentage of the population, mainly by extermination by white settlers, nobody cares.