Where was it said that anyone's work was shabby? I did not think that had been determined yet. I agree with what you are trying to say but until the root cause of the failure is known the finger cannot be pointed anywhere with any degree of certainty. Where you are wrong is to expect a motor to be failure proof just because its been done before. I have seen budget motors make big power for longer than they ever should have and survived... and I have seen big dollar motors break on the dyno before they ever seen a lap. Both are perfect examples of "shit happens"!!!
What aluminator to go with?? Blown motor
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Where was it said that anyone's work was shabby? I did not think that had been determined yet. I agree with what you are trying to say but until the root cause of the failure is known the finger cannot be pointed anywhere with any degree of certainty. Where you are wrong is to expect a motor to be failure proof just because its been done before. I have seen budget motors make big power for longer than they ever should have and survived... and I have seen big dollar motors break on the dyno before they ever seen a lap. Both are perfect examples of "shit happens"!!!
Right the comment was not directed at anyone in this thread just a generalized comment. I realize that when you mod you take the risk but at the same time the guy doing the work is being paid to guarantee its done right . For instance the shop that did the work on my car locks the tunes and most guys are like "that sucks" but at the same time it covers his ass in a sense that you the consumer can not mess with it and blame him for failure in the unfortunate event. The way he looks at it is it was done right and will be reliable for at least a year. A stock pulley on a paxton should not hurt a healthy motor on our cars unless like i said someone in the loop did not do their part. The popular opinion is Centri's are supposed to be the "safer " option
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For the question in post 100:
The front cover is modified for the supercharger bracket. You can still run it NA though and I have personally done it.
The front cover is modified for the supercharger bracket. You can still run it NA though and I have personally done it.
Ditto...when I installed my 11.1 Aluminator I call Ford Racing about this...no problems running NA with the supplied modified cover.
I'm betting he threw a rod which demolished the piston and closed the gap on the spark plug. It happened to mine. Bore scope?
Just wanted to update you guys real quick, should know something next week on the cause if it will even be detected but we are leaning towards the oil pump gear as the cause. I will say that Jon lund called me the other morning and has really taken care of me and did not have to do that being there is no determination of issue but that is all one can ask for and customer service cant get any better than that. Im really confident now and will have the car back up and running shortly it will be dropped off at the shop today and the motor should be in early next week. My intention of this post was not to start any type of heat just mainly for what motor which I have gone with the 9.5:1 with the 3.33 pulley . does anybody know what the car should make hp wise on this? the car has other than the Paxton with 3.33 is o/r x pipe boss intake and jlt intake. Also what kind of boost should it make, really makes no difference to me just want to know. the car will be babied for sure now just a little gun shy,lol. thanks
I have a feeling that all your comments on this posts are with the intent to blame the Beef/Lund combo.
You look unprofessional imo since you dont do this when other tuner blow up engines...
Why dont you just let it go and bring it up in private with Beef and Lund if that cam tune for auto bothers you that much
I might be wrong but thats the way i see it...
I have a feeling that all your comments on this posts are with the intent to blame the Beef/Lund combo.
You look unprofessional imo since you dont do this when other tuner blow up engines...
Why dont you just let it go and bring it up in private with Beef and Lund if that cam tune for auto bothers you that much
I might be wrong but thats the way i see it...
I don't find it unprofessional, I find it helpful that other tuners/vendors are searching for a cause instead of looking the other way and accepting "stuff happens"
I agree that its a good idea to look for the root cause but in this particular case its not all about finding what happened to the op I find.
You will notice that tuners very rarely comment on other tuners work.
This one is different since AED definitively has a bone with Lund and Beefcake.
The op will update this thread with his findings so I don't think that anyone is looking the other way in this case.
If Shaun was doing as he does normally which is providing good technical info I wouldn't have said anything but I do think that he's really trying to get back at Lund for whatever misunderstanding they might have had.
Again each story has 2 sides, we'll see what the shop find when they open the engine.
I have a feeling that all your comments on this posts are with the intent to blame the Beef/Lund combo.
You look unprofessional imo since you dont do this when other tuner blow up engines...
Why dont you just let it go and bring it up in private with Beef and Lund if that cam tune for auto bothers you that much
I might be wrong but thats the way i see it...
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Petty and premature. Karma has a way of biting people in the ass, so I would be careful what you wish for.
I have a feeling that all your comments on this posts are with the intent to blame the Beef/Lund combo.
You look unprofessional imo since you dont do this when other tuner blow up engines...
Why dont you just let it go and bring it up in private with Beef and Lund if that cam tune for auto bothers you that much
I might be wrong but thats the way i see it...
You are correct in your assessment, and it is unprofessional. I do have a bone to pick with Beefcake and IMO it's best done publicly as when I talk to him on the phone he only backs off momentarily, but is back at it not long after.
Not 3 days prior to this thread Beefcake posted that "maybe" I had a 'rash of blown engines' : Post 27
http://www.svtperformance.com/forum...d-Lope-Idle-Automatic-Supercharged-WHAT/page2
Maybe a rash of blown engines? WTF?
For literally months I've been hearing from customers what Terry has been saying to them which is that I will blow up their boosted setups because I'm a dangerous tuner. He posted this on public message boards as well. Lies and marketing bull shit is what it is and I do NOT appreciate him spreading these lies trying to tarnish my name and reputation as a Coyote Tuner. I do not have a 'rash of blown engines' on my hands.
For the record I've had 4 coyote engines blow since I started tuning them 3 years ago. Nearly 1000 Coyotes tuned at this point, 4/1000 is not a bad reputation (99.6%), especially when you consider the circumstances of each failure:
1. Oct 2011 #8 cylinder (Steps taken to properly resolve this via tuning and not one failure since)
2. TVS Application, turned out to be a Faulty SCT template. I covered the costs the customer requested, including a retune at TSS. SCT fixed the problem in their software and Paid me what we agreed upon in a settlement.
3. Paxton high power application: Race gas tune run with Pump still in the tank / lines / rails. Not much more to say about that one, shit happens.
4. Broke a rod clean right under the wrist pin. 700+RW E85 Paxton setup. Tear down and proper inspection was done (not by me), no signs of detonation, no beating of the rod bearings, no signs of rings butting up, etc. Conclusion was too much power for stock rods. We were not sure how much boost the car was making, it was a Beefcake torque booster setup. Wastegate Spring was swapped out for a stiffer one, engine blew that night.
That's it, that's all I know about. How many do you think Lund has on his hands? I don't post this as I've never had a reason, till Terry pushed me far enough with his 'Marketing' tactics, but I can dig up dozens of blown Lund tuned coyotes. Both NA and boosted applications. The car at CCC Motorsports in SoCal was just one of the latest. Anyone here can call that shop and get details if they want.
IMO this is very likely an engine failure due to detonation. Proper diagnostics via Teardown at TSS will show it, but from what i hear, Lund Racing/Beefcake are doing everything they can to keep this quiet. This car/engine will not end up at TSS if they can help it.
I believe a deal has been brokered, and in the end the customer is being taken care from what I hear.
I do not think it's a bad deal, and I am happy to see the customer taken care of, as ALL customers should be.
shit just got real
Sometimes in life, you just need to take the high road. You would come off looking a lot better if you just wait and see what the diagnosis is. You and Jon are great tuners and there is enough work to go around for the both of you. Threads that go off in this direction surely will not help your business.
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I don't think his point was to gain business. Looked to me like OP was getting fed a line of shit to be honest. He raised the flag. Oil pump gears do not break pistons unless a rod breaks letting a piston hit a head/valves. OP already stated there was no ruckus or smoke screen, car is not covered in oil from a windowed block. I'm not a tuner and nothing to gain from saying either way. Would have been nicer if the tuners name was left out and the OP got unbiased opinions without people thinking their is an immediate ulterior motive for an opinion.
I want popcorn and my ****in microwave just quit...
OP hope it all works out. She will breathe again!
OP hope it all works out. She will breathe again!
You are absolutely correct.
IMO it does us no good to go back and forth at each others throats and I've talked to Terry about it on the phone on more than one occasion.
Terry, Jon, and I lose business from these kinds of threads. There is no doubt about that.
I have a feeling that all your comments on this posts are with the intent to blame the Beef/Lund combo.
You look unprofessional imo since you dont do this when other tuner blow up engines...
Why dont you just let it go and bring it up in private with Beef and Lund if that cam tune for auto bothers you that much
I might be wrong but thats the way i see it...
At the end of the day, we do this same combo, 1 - 3 times a week and have for years. Lund knows what they are doing. Not worried about the tune at all, and sold 2 more kits to members this week.
People with any level of intelligence can see exactly what's going on.....
And with no one to fight with as Lund won't be baited, now old threads are being brought in to justify all the attacking in a thread that is about engine selection, lol.
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What I got out of this thread is base Paxton kits are not safe and seems like 75% of all the boosted blown Coyote threads I read here involve a paxton.........no fukin thanks glad I did not go that route . Look at shauns failures 2 out of 3 boosted failures involve paxton probably revving the piss out of it making big power. With a TVS you can make great power at safe rpms and makes for a very streetable setup on a stock motor. High RPM plus Big Power = Boom , won't be the last paxton thread we see with a blown up motor because they suck fukin ass below 4K so you have to revv it to fukin Jupiter to make good power . You Figure People Would Figure That shit Out After 5 Years On these motors and boosting them lord have frikin mercy. But its not a big deal according to some people and im just an idiot that got all that from reading on the internets
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