LOL, Yes, because the other vendors aren't selling stuff......
I just don't pretend to be something I'm not.
Paxton drivability questions
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LOL, Yes, because the other vendors aren't selling stuff......
I just don't pretend to be something I'm not.
CPRsm
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Damn phone
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Looks like its gonna take an svt forum crash to end this thread....lol
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lol
at the end of the day.
there are a multitude of videos of both cars. The blue and the red car with great drivability. In Florida I was giving rides to people just to show them how much of a street car it was after making the 8.75 pass.
The blue car is now a "race car" by my definition and it doesn't have street duty. But it saw the streets consistently up til may 2013.
However, like I said. Anyone is always willing to come by for a ride in the red car, make some video's.
Or, we could take a fresh Paxton install and go from the first startup tune, and go through 3-5 revisions to show how easy it is.
There are a multitude of customers in this thread with great drivability that can do the same, and even a customer that just came off a bad tune to our tune today in this thread.
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That's funny Beef. There were a good dozen people around that heard the whole thing at PRI. Next day you and your wife found me at the show and asked me again to tune your car.
Lund and Ken found out, threatened to cut you off and I got a nasty phone call / PM's. I forwarded those PM's to the site owner (FYI).
You then changed the story to save face.... not really a surprise.
CPRsm
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Or you can do what I already suggested. Look at the numbers and ignore the "squiggly lines." The numbers are about 3 times as unstable as the other shown.
Huh. What other power adders were suggested instead of a Paxton,.....and this assumes OP was going to buy from you and not JPC.
Well since you brought it up, most people have to run a business and love off margins. Their margins are not extra play money because they have another job. You can talk about it being "profitable" which only takes 1 dollar in the positive. Whether you can earn a living on is a different story
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Its getting ugly now, guys lets not air dirty laundry on a public site!
CPRsm
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So you had a laugh at his expense. But you didn't deny you asked him for a tune because you were having drivability issues?Beefcake said:
So you're here defending drivability but were looking for someone to fix your tune? Did I read all this right?
op:op:op:op:op:Piss poor Maf signal quality. Worst of all the blower setups I've done, by FAR.
A properly designed kit should not have piping transitions before the Maf Sensor. Paxton's/Vortech's have the biggest changes before and after the Maf. Even the Procharger and Hellion kits with the Maf sensor in the Intercooler have FAR cleaner maf signals. Couple that with too small of a Blow Off valve and the Maf gets VERY choppy on decel and higher RPM part throttle. We can NOT tune this out!
Let me illustrate:
Maf Signal logged from a random TVS car in my data base:
Random Whipple Car in my data base:
Random ProCharger:
Random Paxton:
Do NOT expect a Paxton to drive as good as the other setups. We do the best we can given what we have to work with. I would NOT run a Paxton on my own Coyote like this!
My whole argument in here is your last line Shaun. You and CPR both constantly try to beat down beef for nothing. You also spew your bull shit all over here intentionally starting shit just so people will know who you are.
I dont doubt you know your stuff. Same with CPR, but this beef with beef is stupid as hell and you both are trying to discredit a paxton / vortech because its hard to tune.
CPR you said that he didnt discredit the driveablilty so I quoted it for you. I have a buddy that owns a roush, another buddy that has a single turbo hellion, and lastly a guy running a whipple. All three cars drive the exact same as mine until into boost....
Someone with a calculator check my math. $7300-$3000=$4300..but wait you can't get one that cheap because I'm the butt hurt competition that wants to misinform people. Jk.
Oh yeah and I'll say it again to keep on topic. Car drives just like stock until you put your foot in the gas. Upon doing that you get a nice smooth increase in power that is plenty fast for a stock engine. Heh
Oh yeah and I'll say it again to keep on topic. Car drives just like stock until you put your foot in the gas. Upon doing that you get a nice smooth increase in power that is plenty fast for a stock engine. Heh
Since we are way off topic from where the thread started we mine as well talk down about turbo kits because they are hard to tune due to the placement / delay of the o2 sensors
I wouldnt buy a CPR or JPC turbo because they are hard to get timely accurate o2 readings out of.
I wouldnt buy a CPR or JPC turbo because they are hard to get timely accurate o2 readings out of.
Exactly my point. We are in the middle of about 50 people in our industry. You really think I would ever have a serious conversation about you tuning my car.
And Lund never threatened me with anything.
Did I ever contact you about tuning my car? No.
No, I never wanted him to tune the car. When I was introducted to him. I said. "ahhhh mr drivability, the king of tuning...... Maybe I should have you whip something up for me to see how great you can make my car drive.
It's called sarcasm and having fun with someone.
I will defend our tunes til the end, simply because we are the best at what we do.
Meh I don't think it's enough to really matter. Kind of like the maf bit they discussed above. I've never seen someone say 'well I couldn't run 9s today in my basic Paxton car because the maf was all jacked up' but I've seen people say 'I ran 9's and saved $3000 in the process.' Heheh you see what I did there... Goodnight fwends
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Just have to call
Shaun knows his stuff and his customers like him. I said at the beginning of the year, I was going to try to avoid the confrontations. But to call me out like someone that takes advantage of customers I simply won't stand for.
I am making a living at it.
I spent a long time building a clientel. So, I work off appointments and do very well with that, so there is no reason for me to not continue to do that. Multiple sources of income.
I am involved in 4 companies.
The Dealership
A Candy / Vending / Fundraising business.
My parts business
and now my Dyno company.
So what??? Have I ever said or pretended different? Any SVT member that buys a car we have a referral program there too.
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A question was asked by the OP, he happens to be an AED tuned customer and had asked me which setup I prefer in an Email. I told him 'Do not expect the Paxton to drive as good as the car drives now on the AED NA tune. If you want stock like drivability buy a TVS / Whipple.' So he posted his question here and I answered with *why* the paxtons do not drive as good as other blower kits, with data to back it up.
Fact is we do have some of the BEST driving Paxton tunes around, but it was not easy. Call any Coyote tuner worth their salt and ask them which blower kit they'd have on their own car. 9 out of 10 will not choose the Paxton, and that is due to the Maf signal issues.
Beef sees my post a *threat* to his business since he sells Paxton kits. (God forbid someone post Data showing a product he sells is not as high of quality as another vendors product.) Re-read the thread and you will see who the aggressor is here. It's the same with all the other threads Beef gets into. Beef and CPR, Beef and JPC, Beef and BBR, etc, etc. He just can't seem to help himself.
CPRsm
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I'd say that's the most ignorant statements in here. 2 reasons. One, JPC doesn't move the o2's so there is no change in the delay. 2nd and most importantly my kits come with a free tune which includes the delays in it. All done, all figured out for you. And me mentioning the delays online is the only reason you know the delays even exist. But those threads hellion threads were just as dumb as this one. Someone asks, someone knows the answer, and other get pissed because they don't have the same problem. It must be a vendor trying to discredit to move product right? There or here, did anyone suggest a different product?
Really? So did Shaun start this thread or did I?
It is harder to tune. Even a Paxton dealer said it was. So now the guys providing the answers with proof to the very question the OP asked is an asshole? JPC, Shaun or I to the best of my knowledge have ever started or brought up this problem. The replies were made because there was a question. Maybe there is a common denominator in this "beef with beef" problem. Do you see me arguing with JPC? With Shaun? Other than valve springs(lol) does Shaun argue with JPC? Think about that for a tick. Or maybe some of us know who is the one that talks shit about other companies and sends out threatening PM's that "next time we meet it won't turn out so nice." Or some shit like that. Time to pull the wool from over your eyes dude.
Again shaun please dumb it down for us normal people. We can feel those jumps in the MAF frequency while driving with a properly tuned car? I call bull shit. I know the computer must adjust, but if tuned correctly it will not drive any different from any other blown car.
The fact is, it is easy. We just did it today with another customer. 3 revisions. IT's easy because Lund knows what they are doing and does it on practically a daily basis.
Do I have the tuning knowledge. Def not. But, we do enough kits, I see enough logs, and drive enough cars, that I know what matters. And the graphs posted simply do not matter to the customer driving the car, because they can't feel it. Now, if it was something that was harmful to the car, or was affecting the car, then without a doubt, it would be addressed. But it doesn't.
It's not that I take it as a "threat", it's that I take it as misleading information to a customer. A properly tuned car, will drive like stock. It just simply will.
There is no substitute than customer experience. The customer that posted about his experience today is a prime example. He came from a bad tune, and in 3 revisions it's an entirely new car.
That simply cannot be argued. We can do it. We can, we do, we will continue to.
The sky will not be falling if you install a Paxton!
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