Who might sell their Boss for a 2015

germeezy1

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Well, you might be the exception but I find it hard to believe others wouldn't consider an Ecoboost V6. With aftermarket support, it would be capable of more torque and similar HP as a full bolt on naturally aspirated v8.

Edit: this post was in response to germeezy1

I personally could care less because quite simply it isn't a V8, and to me part of the Mustang experience is the sounds, and feel of a V8 engine.
 

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So a 2.4l V8 would be fine?

I drive a 6.4 liter V8 car every day. Is there anything wrong with liking V8 engines? I don't look down on those who choose different but I do know what I personally prefer.
 
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I drive a 6.4 liter V8 car every day. Is there anything wrong with liking V8 engines?

No, but they are a thing of the past unfortunately. I love the sound of a V8 but there are more efficient ways of making power. I am actually even excited about electric cars after watching Chris Harris drive an 800 hp 4k lb/ft of torque monster. In any event it would be nice if Ford and other car company's started offering wacky things for their cars like they used to.
 

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I track mine, and will be doing time trials in it next year. I'm keeping mine. I know this car, and will only get to know it more the longer I keep it and drive it at the limit. It is a special car, even if I can't quantify the "specialness" of it. With that said, I will be in the market to add an S550.

First will be a 2.3L Ecoboost with 6 spd auto and the rumored track pack for my wife. She tracks about once a year, and an auto makes more sense day to day. Plus it has paddle shift and rev match. What's not to like?

Second, a Mach 1 for me when the current Boss is paid off. I am not looking for another track toy, just a nice powerful cruiser that handles good. The Boss is a bit tiring on long trips, and my wife is a bit short(5"1") and hits her head on the plastic inserts in the Recaro seat back.

I think the Boss 302 will take a hit in value when the new car hits the dealers. The reason the 03-04 Cobra didn't was because to buy anything that outperformed it you had to step up to a GT500 before the 5.0 came out. Even then, it's a drivers race in a straight line with a 5.0. I really don't want to start arguments about all the other aspects of that debate, so let's just leave it at that. If a GT can out run the Boss, and starts in the mid 30's, we will see prices drop on Boss cars into the 20's, but I think it will stay there as long as it is in good condition.

As for the IRS, it's here. Deal with it. It also isn't going to go away. I and 90% of all Mustang owners (who by the way don't post on forums) welcome it for the improved ride and handling. I give it 6 months before the issues are exposed, and the aftermarket finds a way to fix it. In another 6 months, there will be someone offering a bolt in 9" kit for the real drag racers. Heck, Ford may already have one ready to go at launch developed for the Cobra Jet if they continue that program.

And if you don't wanna spend for a live axle, then you ain't a real drag racer that needs to worry about having one. Instead you're just an internet whiner that wants to complain for the sake of complaining.

agreed 100 percent :beer: once motor trend comes out with the track battle 2015 gt vs 2014 boss... and the boss loses.. the prices will take a hit even though it is a special car.. enoy your boss and wait till ford gets all the bugs out.. to your other question about modifying a 2014 gt motor to compete with a boss.. im sure it can be done.. but realiablity wise unmolested motors will always last longer.. i dont care the shop has been working on these motors for years and they give a warrantee.. it will always be the bolts fault for breaking or the tunes fault for whatever.. you get the idea...something always does wrong..so i say keep all track motors stock.
 

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A Boss is not a rare car as rare cars go. If I can jump on autotrader, and find numerous Bosses for sale it is not a rare car.

Go to ebay motors type in 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca.....0 come up. This week there is a large amount for sale though....3...in the country.


It's rare bro.
 

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Go to ebay motors type in 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca.....0 come up. This week there is a large amount for sale though....3...in the country.


It's rare bro.

No way! It only took me 2 weeks of calling 60-70 dealers for a SBY, PW or RR to find my 13 SBY Boss 1200 miles away LOL!!!:lol1: So yeah it's a tad bit more rare that most others around here, hell I see more ZR1's than Boss's I know of about 5-7 12/13 Boss's that I've seen in the past 1-2 years around Lafayette.
 

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as far as all the depreciation talk, and "value" and all that, Its extremely hard to predict. 03/04 cobras do hold their value better than the same year GT, and in theroy, a Boss would hold its value better than a gt of the same year. All cars depreciate. The only car that is the exception is the 1993 cobra. 20 years later, wrapper cars still are valued very close to origial sticker price. It is naive to think that next years model wont be "better"...but it also depends one someones defintion of better, sometimes its not just weight, horsepower, track times, etc... Ford isnt in business to create a great product and make a "less than" next time around, they want you to buy the lateset and greatest. Cars are almost like cell phones now. It really is all about what you want. If you think you want to sell your boss, sell it now before the 15s come out.
 

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you get the idea...something always does wrong..so i say keep all track motors stock.

So I should leave the stock oil cooler on the car so my oil gets too hot, and leave the stock valve springs in so that they can break after much abuse? I think not. I am not talking about taking a GT and making some frankinmotor. I am talking about building a GT block with the Boss bearings, crank, heads with better springs etc.
 

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Also, we get it, some people think the Boss is rare and special and no one can tell you otherwise, awesome, everyone will love the car their own way. Please though keep the petty arguing as to whether to car is rare or not to another thread. Lets talk about actually driving it on the strip or track.
 

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I tried to have this conversation/debate on BMO without very much success.

I think you needed to start your own thread like this! :beer: I think I understand your point a bit better now, instead of inside the '14GT/TracKey or the other 'sell your Boss for a 550' thread.


I bought the Boss as a track car and as such the only value it is to me is as a track car. After driving it for a while I have realized I could have just bought a GT and made a much more capable track car without paying the premium for the Boss. I figured I would open the floor up to see who else might trade the Boss in, sell it, or pick up a new 2015 or 2016 to see how well it may do on the track. I would prefer if statements could be qualified, no nonsense answers like "Well if you don't get why the Boss is special and should be kept then you don't get it", I assume we are all adults here and can actually support an argument.

If you don't have any emotional attachment to the Boss, then I think the new GT Track Pack would be the ticket to better lap times overall given a similar total budget (not just the same mod budget). I also have an '11 GT which is my primary track car and for not much money, it out handles my Boss which is mostly stock except for cooling and brake mods. With the 15" brakes, IRS, new front suspension and more power or higher revs, the '15 Track Pack GT should be faster on track than a stock Boss. The one I saw on last saturday had P Zeros in 275/40-19 rear and the same 255/40-19 in the front. And from what I could see, there looks like a lot of room for more tire on the outboard side.

Anyway, I'm considering getting either a new 5.0 track pack and replacing the '11 GT or adding the 2.3 turbo. Depends on all the final specs and weights. My Boss is going to stay in the garage regardless.
 

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Charger SRT8?

300 SRT8

Go to ebay motors type in 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca.....0 come up. This week there is a large amount for sale though....3...in the country.


It's rare bro.

Go to Ebay, and type in 599 SA Aperta. See how many cars are available. Someone I know has one, and I have seen it in person now that is a rare car. Not only is the Ferrari 599 it is based on an incredibly rare car this car itself is. Rarity depends on which reference point you try to establish it on. Compared to a V6 Mustang a Boss 302 LS is a rare car but in the general scheme of truly rare cars it is quite common.

I could consider my 300 SRT8 rare based on how many I have seen but it isn't a rare car in the general scheme of rare cars.


With that being said we should get back to the original question asked....bro...
 

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I think you needed to start your own thread like this! :beer: I think I understand your point a bit better now, instead of inside the '14GT/TracKey or the other 'sell your Boss for a 550' thread.

This is true, I just wasn't very pleased with the thread getting the ban hammer because one person decided the discussion was over, but I shouldn't have brought that into this thread. One of this issues with being passive aggressive.


If you don't have any emotional attachment to the Boss, then I think the new GT Track Pack would be the ticket to better lap times overall given a similar total budget (not just the same mod budget). I also have an '11 GT which is my primary track car and for not much money, it out handles my Boss which is mostly stock except for cooling and brake mods. With the 15" brakes, IRS, new front suspension and more power or higher revs, the '15 Track Pack GT should be faster on track than a stock Boss. The one I saw on last saturday had P Zeros in 275/40-19 rear and the same 255/40-19 in the front. And from what I could see, there looks like a lot of room for more tire on the outboard side.

Anyway, I'm considering getting either a new 5.0 track pack and replacing the '11 GT or adding the 2.3 turbo. Depends on all the final specs and weights. My Boss is going to stay in the garage regardless.

I would love to be able to have my cake and eat it to. If only I made more money, then again that tends to come with more problems. It really has become a pipe dream at this point since I don't think I would be able to get enough money from the Boss even doing a private sale to make the 15 GT seem like a possibility. Would you track the "SVO"?
 

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Would you track the "SVO"?

Absolutely. After driving a friend's '13 V6 Performance Package car, I've been hoping for the turbo 4 to be available. The handling potential of a lighter car is addictive. And since it's supposed to come with the 4 pot Brembos, I could still use the same track brakes on all 3 cars. If the '15s aren't as light as rumored, I still might get a V6 '12 to beat on.

Why not mod your Boss until it does what you want?
 

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Absolutely. After driving a friend's '13 V6 Performance Package car, I've been hoping for the turbo 4 to be available. The handling potential of a lighter car is addictive. And since it's supposed to come with the 4 pot Brembos, I could still use the same track brakes on all 3 cars. If the '15s aren't as light as rumored, I still might get a V6 '12 to beat on.

Why not mod your Boss until it does what you want?

I will be at this point. I have put some money into the Boss also so I think it would be silly to trade it away. I've said it before but it would be awesome to see a 2.3 at the track, though there aren't a ton of Mustang that I have seen at the SCCA PDX's.
 

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300 SRT8



Go to Ebay, and type in 599 SA Aperta. See how many cars are available. Someone I know has one, and I have seen it in person now that is a rare car. Not only is the Ferrari 599 it is based on an incredibly rare car this car itself is. Rarity depends on which reference point you try to establish it on. Compared to a V6 Mustang a Boss 302 LS is a rare car but in the general scheme of truly rare cars it is quite common.

I could consider my 300 SRT8 rare based on how many I have seen but it isn't a rare car in the general scheme of rare cars.


With that being said we should get back to the original question asked....bro...

Cool story.
 

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So I should leave the stock oil cooler on the car so my oil gets too hot, and leave the stock valve springs in so that they can break after much abuse? I think not. I am not talking about taking a GT and making some frankinmotor. I am talking about building a GT block with the Boss bearings, crank, heads with better springs etc.

I'm not saying to do that... More so just buy the better car (boss) so no hassle with shops... That's another added plus for the more expensive car.. And doesn't hurt to retain your factory warrantee .... :beer:
 

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I'm not saying to do that... More so just buy the better car (boss) so no hassle with shops... That's another added plus for the more expensive car.. And doesn't hurt to retain your factory warrantee .... :beer:

My point was that there are still issues with the Boss motor, and if you build one from the bottom up within spec of the regular Boss motor you won't have some franken motor that will always have issues.
 

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I'm keeping mine. Going to invest more in it. The Roadrunner engine doesn't get as much kudos as it should over the GT 5.0. Next major investment in the Boss could be a Supercharger?? Not doing this for historical value; but for personal pleasure of more power.

Now, some of the guys who are serious track guys, I believe may jump off the Boss for the 2016 (or 17) in house GT 350; close to 600 HP N/A and called by my source ( we all have anonymous sources) a "Track Monster!" Will this be the answer to the Z28? Maybe the Roadrunner with CJ intake and other stuff?
 
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