well not if the driver gets arrested...kinda. And if you squint.
Younger brother got pulled over
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well not if the driver gets arrested...kinda. And if you squint.
Not admitting to anything is not the same as lying. One should just keep your mouth shut and answer only required questions.
I have only been asked to search the car I was driving once. It was appx 35 years ago.
I denied permission and the officer asked "why, if you have nothing to hide"
My answer was that my car was spotless and in perfect condition. And that's the way it was going to be when I drive off.
He got back on his bike and went to the next place he was headed. This was in the middle of the Mojave desert and it was hotter than hell. I think he just wanted to get in the air conditioned car.
I denied permission and the officer asked "why, if you have nothing to hide"
My answer was that my car was spotless and in perfect condition. And that's the way it was going to be when I drive off.
He got back on his bike and went to the next place he was headed. This was in the middle of the Mojave desert and it was hotter than hell. I think he just wanted to get in the air conditioned car.
Who pays for the damage caused by a search like that? If nothing was found that is.
Your risk is that the searching officer will suddenly find the contraband that was previously in his pocket, under your seat. Now, my friend, you are in a world of hurt and officially screwed.
Not long ago I didn't think this ever happened. but ive seen it happen around here more then once this year
My daughter consented to a search because A) She had nothing to hide, and B) The officer told her she would be there for at least 3 hours if she refused consent. She is young and had to work in the morning, but it was a douche move by the officer and resulted in her walking away with a fix-it ticket for 1/2 of her 3rd brake light out.
Youngsters are easily bullied by officers, and really need to know their rights. That said, they are all guilty anyway and should be treated like the little vermin that they (with the exception of mine) are.
Youngsters are easily bullied by officers, and really need to know their rights. That said, they are all guilty anyway and should be treated like the little vermin that they (with the exception of mine) are.
if you consent to search and you change your mind in the middle of the search, you can withdraw your consent.
if the officer had a PC to search, then there is nothing you can do.
in your brother's case, are you sure your brother is telling you 100% the truth? And that the officer didn't smell some cannabis and lots of air fresher to cover the smell of cannabis? People lie a lot. Just saying...
To answer your question, air freshener smell alone wouldn't be a PC. If I pulled a car over and all of a sudden i smell this ridiculous amount of cologne or air freshener, if may make me curious. I would ask for consent first. If no, I would then call in for a dog. If dog alerts, the car is mine. If not, you have done well on whatever you were hiding, if you were hiding.
if the officer had a PC to search, then there is nothing you can do.
in your brother's case, are you sure your brother is telling you 100% the truth? And that the officer didn't smell some cannabis and lots of air fresher to cover the smell of cannabis? People lie a lot. Just saying...
To answer your question, air freshener smell alone wouldn't be a PC. If I pulled a car over and all of a sudden i smell this ridiculous amount of cologne or air freshener, if may make me curious. I would ask for consent first. If no, I would then call in for a dog. If dog alerts, the car is mine. If not, you have done well on whatever you were hiding, if you were hiding.
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Man you are good. You figured out our trick! Now we have to figure something else out to frame people.
Read my posts above and you will see I never said anyone should physically try to stop an officer from searching your car.
I love when I have PC during a traffic stop and don't tell them quite yet about my PC. I always ask if I can search the car...ones that say yes either don't have anything anymore b/c they just smoked it all or they are just that stupid that think we wont find anything and well....we do.
The ones that say no....have something to hide in my opinion. Then I drop the ball about the fact I have PC whether it being I can smell the green herb or that fact that your moving around too much as I am pulling you over.
Basically if you have nothing to hide then whats the issue? If your car smells like weed then obviously youre not a law obeying citizen but Im not the type that will push it. If you say no and I have no PC to search and cant get a dog there....then youre on your way.
The ones that say no....have something to hide in my opinion. Then I drop the ball about the fact I have PC whether it being I can smell the green herb or that fact that your moving around too much as I am pulling you over.
Basically if you have nothing to hide then whats the issue? If your car smells like weed then obviously youre not a law obeying citizen but Im not the type that will push it. If you say no and I have no PC to search and cant get a dog there....then youre on your way.
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I can see all sides to this story, maybe there are still useless officers that plant drugs, hopefully not many left. Also I wouldnt want some officer I didnt know rifling through my car that I keep in clean, organized condition, and say they pull a pill out from under the front seat, my car has had seven owners, u think the judge is gonna buy that the pill isnt yours.
The 4 times I have repaired "search damage" the owner paid. In the specific case I mentioned they paid the bill and filed a complaint with the police dept and from their it didn't go anywhere. I believe the officer in question said the car's interior was already damaged pre-search. I know in that particular case it was probably not true since we did the wheels two weeks earlier and their was no damage to the interior. I am not surprised the department didn't believe the kid. Not many people would believe a 17 year old rich kid with full tattooed sleeves and a permanently high look on his face. Look like a criminal your probably going to get treated like one.
My ex girlfriend use to always use that line when she wanted to go through my phone and read all my facebook messages. I had nothing to hide but I didn't want her going through my shit.
Just like with a car search, I don't want people going through my shit and making a mess
Then if an officer has reason to ask to search and you say no...you yourself are making yourself look guilty.
And that's the stupidest excuse I think Ive heard in awhile. If you have nothing to hide then there shouldn't be an issue. Sounds like she needed to be an ex anyway
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Never give consent for a cop to do anything.
Best advice ever :beer:
I'm positive my brother had nothing on him, in his car, or in his system and never has.
I can understand how the smell of an air freshener could be used to cover up certain smells. But I imagine it could also be used by people who keep their car orderly. It seems like such a halfass excuse to use to get to search an illinformed youngster just to hope to get lucky and find something.
As far as not having anything to hide, I wouldn't want somebody going through my car. Whether it was my cobra or my daily beater. Not even for the fact that it could get damaged or disorganized. But for the simple reason that its not a good feeling having some stranger dig through your personal preperty.
I can understand how the smell of an air freshener could be used to cover up certain smells. But I imagine it could also be used by people who keep their car orderly. It seems like such a halfass excuse to use to get to search an illinformed youngster just to hope to get lucky and find something.
As far as not having anything to hide, I wouldn't want somebody going through my car. Whether it was my cobra or my daily beater. Not even for the fact that it could get damaged or disorganized. But for the simple reason that its not a good feeling having some stranger dig through your personal preperty.
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When I was 18 I had my 94 mustang searched once and it sucked. The girl in the passenger seat hadnt fully closed her door. So, as we were putzing down a small street in town, I had her open and slam it quick. To the cop parked on the side of the street, this meant we were dumping our drugs in the road. So of course I was pulled over, backup was called, a scene was made, and my car was torn apart looking for these drugs that were supposedly in the street. Its a sickeing feeling watching someone esle rifle through your stuff because they want to prove you are a criminal. You dont magically feel any better when they dont find anything either.
Of course, there were none, and never had been any in my car. All they found was some CD's a completely disassembled paintball gun. EVERYTHING was dissaasmbled, o-rings, barrel, hopper, EMPTY co2, all in an orderly pile on the rear floormat.
The girl (my biggest "crush" at the time) was 17 and it was after 11pm so her parents were called to come pick her up. The officers told her parents that they saw me shooting geese out the window of my car while driving and that was the reason for pulling me over.
I was never allowed to see that girl again, and still have not seen the mystical Nocturnal Town-Goose.
Of course, there were none, and never had been any in my car. All they found was some CD's a completely disassembled paintball gun. EVERYTHING was dissaasmbled, o-rings, barrel, hopper, EMPTY co2, all in an orderly pile on the rear floormat.
The girl (my biggest "crush" at the time) was 17 and it was after 11pm so her parents were called to come pick her up. The officers told her parents that they saw me shooting geese out the window of my car while driving and that was the reason for pulling me over.
I was never allowed to see that girl again, and still have not seen the mystical Nocturnal Town-Goose.
the first post i agreed with because you mentioned pc, but the second post makes me think you expect everyone to consent every time and like it. i'm an officer and i'm not going to give anyone consent to search my car. i used to be able to use my concealed weapon permit to state i had a concealed weapon, but department policy now requires badge and id. before badge and id, i was pulled over for looking suspicious. middle of the day, and doing the speed limit on the interstate and never told me how i looked suspicious when i asked. started in with "have you ever heard of traps?" talking about compartments to hide drugs, and i got the "if you don't have anything to hide..."
i work with guys that say it, but to me it's no different than saying because someone exercises the second amendment they must be planning on shooting somebody.
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