Avoid JJ @ Woodbine Motorsports

[Deespeed99]

I've yet to see anything fixed. So why should the op change anything? Op paid to have the car tuned right. Looks like that did not happen.only person in a lose at the point is op with money out of pocket an damage to a tail pipe.

You're not understanding what im saying so im going to leave this alone.

 

[PhillyLS1]

Again slander! He puts that he refused but he didnt put that JJ refused because he refused to go back to all 496027 threads he posted and update that JJ was working with him and he refused to change his sig to reflect it. If i were a business owner in the same situation i'd say f%#k off too. If i screwed up and you posted it online and i agreed to fix it even after you blasted me but continued to blast me i wouldn't want to help you anymore. There are plenty of stories on here and other forums where vendors messed up bad and the customer went to social media then the vendor stepped in and defended themself but ended up fixing the issues and the customer left it at that. They didnt continue to feed the people who thrive on this stuff. He has a personal issue with JJ after all of this and wants to ruin his business & reputation and is ducking or closing any and all windows given to fix it. Again he IS the victim in this situation but his handling of it is horrible after JJ got involved online.

I didn't refuse JJ to look at the car. I said I'd rather not have JJ look at it. Why?

Because JJ's arrogance is INSIST that there was a mechanical issue with the car, even when there wasn't. He sent me out with a bad tune. AND according to JJ's own logic, if there was a mechanical issue (which there wasn't) it happened AT JJ's.

JJ said that I DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE IT TO HIM if I uploaded the Vortech tune and it solved the problem. He said this to me IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

When I returned from Mustang week and tried to fix things? HE HUNG UP ON ME (or his phone cut out, whatever).

FURTHERMORE? JJ LIED TO ME BEFORE I COULD TAKE IT TO HIM.

I'm not JJ's friend. I'm JJ's customer. JJ has talked to a 3rd party which CONFIRMED:

The tune was crap.
There was no mechanical issues.

JJ still refuses to refund me 100% of my money.

 

[Heuristic]

:lol1:I still love that the OP called JJ a thief and a liar since post #1, JJ kept telling him to bring his car in... Then when OP told him that he was arranging to get the car to JJ, JJ comes flying back in to this thread suddenly pissed off he was called a thief and a liar.

 

[Deespeed99]

I didn't refuse JJ to look at the car. I said I'd rather not have JJ look at it. Why?

Because JJ's arrogance is INSIST that there was a mechanical issue with the car, even when there wasn't. He sent me out with a bad tune. AND according to JJ's own logic, if there was a mechanical issue (which there wasn't) it happened AT JJ's.

This is where i think you are being un-reasonable. He cant see the car so he can only assume based on his experience what the problem was. You shouldlve stuck to your plan ans towed the car there and watched him look over it and if you really distrusted him which i do see why you would bring another witness.

JJ said that I DIDN'T HAVE TO TAKE IT TO HIM if I uploaded the Vortech tune and it solved the problem. He said this to me IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

When I returned from Mustang week and tried to fix things? HE HUNG UP ON ME (or his phone cut out, whatever).

FURTHERMORE? JJ LIED TO ME BEFORE I COULD TAKE IT TO HIM.

I'm not JJ's friend. I'm JJ's customer. JJ has talked to a 3rd party which CONFIRMED:

The tune was crap.
There was no mechanical issues.

JJ still refuses to refund me 100% of my money.

Again this is your side of the story. You can expect no tuner to just refund money without seeing the car and seeing what you are talking about and he has the right to not refund the money based on that. Now if you tow it and he sees its not mechanical the he should refund the entire tune money or at least a portion and cover the other problem you had and part of the towing expense but even then you probably would still leave your sigs the way they are wouldnt you?

 

[Heuristic]

Again this is your side of the story. You can expect no tuner to just refund money without seeing the car and seeing what you are talking about and he has the right to not refund the money based on that. Now if you tow it and he sees its not mechanical the he should refund the entire tune money or at least a portion and cover the other problem you had and part of the towing expense but even then you probably would still leave your sigs the way they are wouldnt you?

Dude. The OP offered to bring his car back!!!

I talked to JJ a few minutes ago. I am taking my car back to him to allow him to rectify the situation. I'm doing this on the advice of legal counsel, other tuners in the community, the commentary from the readers on this forum, the vendors on this site and my sponsors.

I will post the results when I get the car back. I hung up the phone with a positive attitude and JJ was accommodating to my schedule.

I do this in hope this action reflects positively upon me as trying to sort things out AND JJ for getting the car to make power.

Then JJ shortly came flying in to the thread and said

... I respectfully rescind my offer to look at your car again because I feel that no matter what I do I wont be able to satisfy you and honestly I don't appreciate being called a thief. I have built my business over the last 10 years by being honest and straightforward with my customers and my reputation as seen by the several positive posts in this thread is something I have worked hard to earn so if someone things I'm a thief then I would rather not do business with them or deal with them any longer.

Lastly for those who thought I was untruthful about sending him the vortech tune when I knew it was my tune I did so because I knew I was being played. I knew that the phonecall would be "hey the car runs great with the vortech tune, you owe me my money back" when in fact the story I feel that's not being told is that after the car was towed back to his house(if in fact it was towed considering he never asked for me to repay him for towing) he found the mechanical problem that caused the issues, the check engine light, the stalling and the subsequent break down but was already too far involved with blaming my tune that he didn't say anything. Again you just don't break down with a bad tune and then magically drive the car hundreds of miles. (lets not forget Keith installed his own headers and midpipes before bringing the car to me, so there was work done to the car and if the steering shaft was left loose, which we fixed at no charge, then whos to say something else wasn't loose or caused these issues.

Sorry Keith but the "thief" comment you made spoke more to me then hundreds of paragraphs ever could and its the one thing that you can say to a reputable shop owner to make him feel differently about the customer and in that case the reputable shop owner is me and your the one calling me a thief.

I wish nothing but the best for you and hold no ill will towards you.

Please have Nikki call me with the original CC number and I will refund 1/2 of the tuning fee.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts, input and consideration. If anyone who participates on the other forums that this was posted on could post a link to this thread on the thread on those forums I would appreciate it as I don't have the time to find/reply all of this over there. Thank you.

JJ@WMS

The second OP was making formal arrangements to bring the car in, JJ coward tucked his tail in between his legs and changed his mind.

 

[PhillyLS1]

There is no third party that can say definitively that you had a bad tune. There are people that can say the car ran poorly and I'm not disputing the fact that it ran poorly, I'm simply saying that IMHO it had to have been a mechanical issue. [/B]

Dude, so you admit now that you've talked to a 3rd party. A reliable 3rd party which confirmed the car had a bad tune installed. They also confirmed there was no mechanical issues.

You sent me out with a bad tune. You talked to me like a 4 year old the whole time. You lied to me. I wasted half a day trying to bring my car back to you. You change your mind at the last minute....

So in the end I paid you $200.00 and whatever gas money I wasted driving to you for nothing.

 

[Deespeed99]

Dude. The OP offered to bring his car back!!!



Then JJ shortly came flying in to the thread and said



The second OP was making formal arrangements to bring the car in, JJ coward tucked his tail in between his legs and changed his mind.

I would too. Philly needs to go change all his sigs and take the car back. If JJ refuses after that then he is in the wrong.

 

[PhillyLS1]

Again this is your side of the story. You can expect no tuner to just refund money without seeing the car and seeing what you are talking about and he has the right to not refund the money based on that. Now if you tow it and he sees its not mechanical the he should refund the entire tune money or at least a portion and cover the other problem you had and part of the towing expense but even then you probably would still leave your sigs the way they are wouldnt you?

JJ said I didn't have to take it back to him. This happened while JJ was formulating his lie.
When I tried to take the car back to JJ, he all of a sudden changed his mind. I tried to take my car back to him even after the lies.

My signature about him being a thief was there from post #1. JJ didn't even call me to tell me to bring it back to him. I had to find out through this forum.

 

[Deespeed99]

Dude, so you admit now that you've talked to a 3rd party. A reliable 3rd party which confirmed the car had a bad tune installed. They also confirmed there was no mechanical issues.

You sent me out with a bad tune. You talked to me like a 4 year old the whole time. You lied to me. I wasted half a day trying to bring my car back to you. You change your mind at the last minute....

So in the end I paid you $200.00 and whatever gas money I wasted driving to you for nothing.

Dude get over it. Change your sigs take the car back with a witness & get your money back.

 

[Deespeed99]

JJ said I didn't have to take it back to him. This happened while JJ was formulating his lie.
When I tried to take the car back to JJ, he all of a sudden changed his mind. I tried to take my car back to him even after the lies.

My signature about him being a thief was there from post #1. JJ didn't even call me to tell me to bring it back to him. I had to find out through this forum.

Swallow your pride just like JJ needs to do and get this fixed. You are doing more harm to yourself because other tuners are seeing this and im almost sure they would steer clear of you seeing the way you are handling this.

 

[PhillyLS1]

Dude get over it. Change your sigs take the car back with a witness & get your money back.

LOOK! I TRIED!

Post #92

I talked to JJ a few minutes ago. I am taking my car back to him to allow him to rectify the situation. I'm doing this on the advice of legal counsel, other tuners in the community, the commentary from the readers on this forum, the vendors on this site and my sponsors.

I will post the results when I get the car back. I hung up the phone with a positive attitude and JJ was accommodating to my schedule.

I do this in hope this action reflects positively upon me as trying to sort things out AND JJ for getting the car to make power.

I tried man. I really did.

 

[Deespeed99]

LOOK! I TRIED!

Post #92



I tried man. I really did.

Here is what in proposing...change your sig altogether. Take out the JJ reference. PM JJ privately so you have a paper trail. Setup a day to take the car back. Once you do that he should have no problems refunding the money for the entire tune seeing your car has no mechanical issues.

JJ - im sure you are reading this eventually. Does that sound fair? If he's willing to change sigs you gotta work with him too.

 

[PhillyLS1]

Here is what in proposing...change your sig altogether. Take out the JJ reference. PM JJ privately so you have a paper trail. Setup a day to take the car back. Once you do that he should have no problems refunding the money for the entire tune seeing your car has no mechanical issues.

JJ - im sure you are reading this eventually. Does that sound fair? If he's willing to change sigs you gotta work with him too.

I have an appointment with another tuner. I'm not going to change everything up on said new tuner. It wouldn't be fair to the new tuner.

JJ knows I'm telling the truth. He's just too proud to admit he's wrong. It's fine. Hope the $200.00 he's keeping was worth it. All this could have been avoided if he simply kept his word.

 

[Deespeed99]

I have an appointment with another tuner. I'm not going to change everything up on said new tuner. It wouldn't be fair to the new tuner.

JJ knows I'm telling the truth. He's just too proud to admit he's wrong. It's fine. Hope the $200.00 he's keeping was worth it. All this could have been avoided if he simply kept his word.

I never said take it back to be tuned. I said take it back so he can see the car has no mechanical issue. At that point he has seen the car and should have no problems refunding your money. Again id delete the slander from your sigs. PM him to setup a time to go there and then get your money back. At that point you get what you wanted and he does too by seeing the car.

 

[TexasStang4585]

I wouldn't take my car back to a person that admitted they lied about sending me a tune....just saying that tells me a lot about one's character/honestly. Which from what I can tell he has neither and I think the negative perception of this guy is well deserved at this point. Hell he even hung up on the OP and to say it was a dropped call was a piss poor excuse IMO.....why not just call him right back?

 

[Deespeed99]

I wouldn't take my car back to a person that admitted they lied about sending me a tune....just saying that tells me a lot about one's character/honestly. Which from what I can tell he has neither and I think the negative perception of this guy is well deserved at this point. Hell he even hung up on the OP and to say it was a dropped call was a piss poor excuse IMO.....why not just call him right back?

I understand where you, others and the OP are coming from but at the same time no one no matter if its lund, bbr, etc is going to have someone bad mouth the f outta them everywhere and want to help that person when they are unwilling to change it. Thats the wrong way to handle it. He need to remove it all, take the car back with a witness showing its fine then JJ should have no problems giving the money back and saying sorry for everything. He has the right to see the car is fine before giving the money back, keyword is see not touch.

Hell if driving there is the issue take a damn video with a newspaper showing its runninh fine. That should even be ok if trailering or driving is inconvienent but he has to show him some proof.

 

[PhillyLS1]

I wouldn't take my car back to a person that admitted they lied about sending me a tune....just saying that tells me a lot about one's character/honestly. Which from what I can tell he has neither and I think the negative perception of this guy is well deserved at this point. Hell he even hung up on the OP and to say it was a dropped call was a piss poor excuse IMO.....why not just call him right back?

In JJ's defense my number is blocked at work. However he had my personal cell. I had no voicemails or missed calls for hours.

 

[PhillyLS1]

I never said take it back to be tuned. I said take it back so he can see the car has no mechanical issue. At that point he has seen the car and should have no problems refunding your money. Again id delete the slander from your sigs. PM him to setup a time to go there and then get your money back. At that point you get what you wanted and he does too by seeing the car.

I'm not driving 4 hours to make a point. Sorry.

Also, it's not slander. JJ's a liar. He admitted it.

JJ gave me half my money back. So it's a lost cause at this point. He's not going to give me the other $200.00 no matter what I do.

 

[Deespeed99]

I'm not driving 4 hours to make a point. Sorry.

Also, it's not slander. JJ's a liar. He admitted it.

JJ gave me half my money back. So it's a lost cause at this point. He's not going to give me the other $200.00 no matter what I do.

I can understand & respect that. If you got back half the money and you are not happy with that but un-willing to show him the car(via driving or video) or changing your sig then again its your pride getting in the way and you should walk away and let it go. On the flip side if you did all of those things and he didnt want to give you the other 200 back considering the time & money you've lost then shame on him. Either way you BOTH are letting pride get in the way of a fix to end all of this.

Also give JJ a chance to respond to this. If he's willing to give you back the rest of the money if you meet some "reasonable" conditions i dont see why this should keep going on.

 

[mhyjek]

I can understand & respect that. If you got back half the money and you are not happy with that but un-willing to show him the car(via driving or video) or changing your sig then again its your pride getting in the way and you should walk away and let it go. On the flip side if you did all of those things and he didnt want to give you the other 200 back considering the time & money you've lost then shame on him. Either way you BOTH are letting pride get in the way of a fix to end all of this.

Also give JJ a chance to respond to this. If he's willing to give you back the rest of the money if you meet some "reasonable" conditions i dont see why this should keep going on.

JJ agreeded and took back his offer because his pride... So what if the op changes his sig and and they have agreement and JJ changes his mind again, for some other reason??? Would you go back 4hrs to a a tuner who tried to catch you in a "Lie"??? Being untrue when he was was not truthful?