New study from Amsoil

[04sleeper]

I wonder what oil this guy runs?

Record-setting Volvo owner closing in on 3 million miles

:read:

He has never missed an oil or fluid change, a tire rotation, a lubrication or anything else specified in the manual. When he stops for gasoline, he checks fluid levels, tire pressures -- all the stuff service stations used to check for you, when service stations actually offered, you know, service. Gordon doesn't use synthetic motor oil, preferring petroleum-based products. "Countless dinosaurs gave their lives millions of years ago to make petroleum oil."

I wonder what they had back in 1966? :dw:

 

[kbmag1]

Amsoil oil filter question...doe the eo-17 have a threaded by pass valve?

 

[UnleashedBeast]

I wonder what they had back in 1966? :dw:

The first synthetic lubricant to be API certified was in 1972. Since he uses only petroleum lubricants, I'm interested in his maintenance schedule and product selection. I'd also like to know what all has been replaced/rebuilt/repaired through the years to keep it going.

Amsoil oil filter question...doe the eo-17 have a threaded by pass valve?

No, it's not on the thread end. Motorcraft is one of the few filters you find it on.

 

[c6zhombre]

I wonder what oil this guy runs?

Record-setting Volvo owner closing in on 3 million miles

:read:



I wonder what they had back in 1966? :dw:

:lol:

Good link, Kevin. Amazing how some "old school" oil has worked so well ;-)

On a side note...that Volvo is actually pretty badass looking! Never realized they made such a great looking car back in the 60s...looks like it could have come out of Detroit. :coolman:

 

[UnleashedBeast]

I discovered Royal Purple's newly created .pdf page containing MSDS and product specification sheets. Interesting is an understatement.

RP Base .pdf - NOACK volatility has been removed from the specification sheet. This is exactly what Mobil 1, and other big oil companies, did years ago after the switch to group III hydrocracked petroleum. SMH @ $9.xx per quart hydrocracked petroleum retail prices.

RP HPS .pdf - could you possibly be any more vague? There is nothing here. Nothing about viscosity, flash point, cold pour, etc. This is useless.

What is Royal Purple hiding? oke:

 

[GotBoost?!]

I discovered Royal Purple's newly created .pdf page containing MSDS and product specification sheets. Interesting is an understatement.

RP Base .pdf - NOACK volatility has been removed from the specification sheet. This is exactly what Mobil 1, and other big oil companies, did years ago after the switch to group III hydrocracked petroleum. SMH @ $9.xx per quart hydrocracked petroleum retail prices.

RP HPS .pdf - could you possibly be any more vague? There is nothing here. Nothing about viscosity, flash point, cold pour, etc. This is useless.

What is Royal Purple hiding? oke:

I'm so surprised ;-)

They give copy / paste tech advise when you email their "tech" department,so why not go a step further and "hide" more information about their oil. It's kinda like going to the grocery store.If you do any sort of comparison shopping,you read the label,check out the ingredients,etc. This is EXACTLY why I'm personally moving away from Royal Purple oils and starting to spread the word as well to other racers,and street enthusiasts who use their products.

To sell a product,you must be open about your products,or the consumer will start to wonder eventually what is going on ! To pay 9$ a quart of an oil that your NOT even sure of what it's specs are, is pathetic.

This all starts to make me wonder if the company that bought royal Purple is behind all of this. :shrug:

 

[UnleashedBeast]

This all starts to make me wonder if the company that bought royal Purple is behind all of this. :shrug:

I was thinking the same thing. After the changeover, things were very "different". New base RP specs just like Amsoil OE, however, OE is only $6.10 per quart retail and $4.70 per quart preferred customer pricing.

I hope no one takes offense to me making observations. I'd slam Amsoil the same way if they did this, perhaps even more ugly about it, since I expect better from them.

 

[GotBoost?!]

I was thinking the same thing. After the changeover, things were very "different". New base RP specs just like Amsoil OE, however, OE is only $6.10 per quart retail and $4.70 per quart preferred customer pricing.

I hope no one takes offense to me making observations. I'd slam Amsoil the same way if they did this, perhaps even more ugly about it, since I expect better from them.

Not sure why anyone would take offense to these observations because as a consumer you have a right to know what your purchasing.Sometimes in order to do so and get your Money's worth as they say,you need to do your own research,etc.

FWIW: Mobil 1 pulled the wool over everyone eyes years ago during hurricane Katrina in 2006,Many people questioned their formulation so again,consumers have the right to know what type of product they are purchasing,make a decision and move along if they need be if it's Royal Purple,Amsoil,Brad Penn etc.

 

[Ry_Trapp0]

Not sure why anyone would take offense to these observations because as a consumer you have a right to know what your purchasing.Sometimes in order to do so and get your Money's worth as they say,you need to do your own research,etc.

weird thing about engine oil, people seem to become emotionally connected to specific brands on some level and get pissed off when you tell them that the oil they've been using for the past 7 years actually isn't as good as they think it is. really, it's worse than ford vs chevy or red vs green. really strange phenomenon, just look at mr "song" in here, posts that do nothing but spew hate towards amsoil and anyone that uses amsoil, yet he can't post a single fact that proves that any other oil is better or that amsoil is worse than any other oil. why? it's just ****in engine oil:lol:

 

[01cobravortech]

This thread further cemented my confidence in Amsoil in the most extreme conditions.

LOL@Victory Songs future comments. And VicSng your comments are actually quite appreciated. I likes your comments for the LOLz factor. :thumbsup:

 

[1hot281]

I discovered Royal Purple's newly created .pdf page containing MSDS and product specification sheets. Interesting is an understatement.

RP Base .pdf - NOACK volatility has been removed from the specification sheet. This is exactly what Mobil 1, and other big oil companies, did years ago after the switch to group III hydrocracked petroleum. SMH @ $9.xx per quart hydrocracked petroleum retail prices.

RP HPS .pdf - could you possibly be any more vague? There is nothing here. Nothing about viscosity, flash point, cold pour, etc. This is useless.

What is Royal Purple hiding? oke:

Well... that's a let down. :nonono:

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Here is more evidence that Royal Purple is now using hydrocracked petroleum in their formulation. The 1 year report is back from the test car, 2004 Lincoln Town Car.

Sample #1 - Amsoil Signature Series 10W-30
Sample #2 - Royal Purple non-HPS 5W-30

Let me get to the point. Notice in red, Oxidation. Any PAO based synthetic (lower blend of Ester) will read in the ~52-58 range. Cheaper base oils (not true synthetics) will read in the 20's. I've seen synblends register in the high teens.

The performance in both lubricants tested in this 97K mile engine are close. There is nothing to bark about in wear metals, but it's easy to see that Amsoil Signature Series has a far superior additive package. Moly, Boron, Calcium, Zinc, and Phosphorous are all at higher concentrated levels.

When you consider that you pay $9.xx per quart for Royal Purple off the shelf, it doesn't look as appealing when compared to Amsoil SS. Especially when preferred customers can buy it at $7.85 per quart. I'm also not fond of RP's choice of high Sodium PPM. This can be easily confused as a coolant leak. All the recent RP UOA's are showing this.

 

[GotBoost?!]

They pulling the same BS Mobil pulled years ago,cheapening out on their oil.

I'll be draining the RP API oil out ASAP. Dont worry,I've already told others about this as well.

BTW,Jimmy I know your still watching this thread,you have nothing to say or is hiding behind a keyboard just as safe as what Royal Purple does with their products?

 

[UnleashedBeast]

BTW,Jimmy I know your still watching this thread,you have nothing to say or is hiding behind a keyboard just as safe as what Royal Purple does with their products?

No need to poke sticks at Jimmy, it's not his fault. RP still has HPS and XPR in their line up. Even though I do not agree with RP's business decisions and deception, it doesn't change the respect I have for Jimmy on or off the forums.

 

[GotBoost?!]

No need to poke sticks at Jimmy, it's not his fault. RP still has HPS and XPR in their line up. Even though I do not agree with RP's business decisions and deception, it doesn't change the respect I have for Jimmy on or off the forums.

Your providing data that shows in reality that Royal Purple maybe in FACT a group 3 hydrocracked petroleum when Jimmy himself said otherwise:

Even our least expensive API licensed oils are still a proprietary combination of Group IV and Group V base oils and use the most current state of the art additives available.

Though that is an API-SN oil that has chemistry restrictions limiting phosphorous to 800 ppm, we will blend as close to the max as possible and use an extremely high retention version of the zinc and phosphorous anti wear additive.

Not impressed.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

I agree with you there, however, let me say it from this stand point....

Jimmy was lied to like everyone else. His employment position makes no difference really. If you want to keep a secret, you don't even tell the ones who are closest to the truth.

 

[01cobravortech]

Thanks for putting up the data Beast.

I was actually very tempted to switch over to the RP HPS oil for about a 20k period just to see how the UOAs tend to stack up as a motor 'ages.' But the more knowledge you drop on here about the 'competition' the more less inclined I get to pouring inferior oil into my baby. Amsoil FTW. :rockon:

 

[GotBoost?!]

Jimmy was lied to like everyone else. His employment position makes no difference really. If you want to keep a secret, you don't even tell the ones who are closest to the truth.

That makes sense.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Thanks for putting up the data Beast.

I was actually very tempted to switch over to the RP HPS oil for about a 20k period just to see how the UOAs tend to stack up as a motor 'ages.' But the more knowledge you drop on here about the 'competition' the more less inclined I get to pouring inferior oil into my baby. Amsoil FTW. :rockon:

Let's remember that this is conclusive for base Royal Purple only. HPS and XPR are excluded from this discussion. So far, I have only seen one UOA from HPS, which showed a high percentage of Shearing. However, the base formulation above didn't shear at all. I need more trends to evaluate HPS and XPR.

Let's not discredit Royal Purple formulations that still contain their proprietary Synerlec additive. The single UOA from Sid could be a fluke.

 

[04SilverSerpent]

This is also an interesting read...many of your off the shelf oils have very low zinc content which is something I want in my car..for the price, it looks like valvoline vr1 might be a great option. Are there any negatives to this oil?

http://store.forcedperformance.net/...Performance Recommendations for Motor Oil.pdf