Aluminator information needed.

[by9468840]

Guys
How is upgrading stock coyote with boss pistons/rods/crankshaft compared to buying a whole new aluminator? The whole package for forged internals is just about $900. Except the high rpm benefits of the aluminator.. I just don't understand spending thousands more for a whole new engine than swapping internals.

 

[D.T.R]

Of course the aftermarket engine builders will tell you the pistons in the Aluminator engines aren't good - they want to sell you THEIR parts!

The Mahle pistons in the Aluminators have probably been through more testing than all the other aftermarket pistons combined. No piston will survive in an engine that isn't tuned properly.

And the Boss cranks are identical to the base GT cranks except for the balance spec...

There is always people biased like that... that's why i don't nut swing from anybody... a lot of the people that sell parts, push for certain product(s) because is what they sell or make more money off of.

Are these aluminator engines literally plug in and play? Will harnesses and computers match up without any issues? What happens with the tune on the old removed engine when ran on the new one?

yes, pull the stock motor out and drop this one in. You will need a tune.

Durability of the rotating assembly shouldn't even be a question here. If tune is right, internal components will live. The issue is the block. At some point you will push the liner into the water jacket.

My Aluminator has been in my car for a year.

50 dyno pulls
27 1/8 mile passes
10 1/4 mile passes

God knows how many street passes, and 2500 street miles. All this has been anywhere from 800 - 950 horsepower.

I think as far as a stock block motor, the Aluminator is perfect.

I think as far as something better, get out your check book and have L&M build you a motor based on their Tornado block.

Tune up is everything.

Like i said, i will be in the same power range as you, and I'm pretty sure i will be happy with this motor. I'm not looking to make more power than the block can handle.

Are those people pushing 1000whp and 800 on the streets seems to be the right question to be asking. At least for me, most people I've seen running the aluminators are with sc's and are in the 700's somewhere. I may be wrong, again just from what I've seen. More imput from people with this motor is needed!

See the post i quoted above yours.

 

[D.T.R]

Guys
How is upgrading stock coyote with boss pistons/rods/crankshaft compared to buying a whole new aluminator? The whole package for forged internals is just about $900. Except the high rpm benefits of the aluminator.. I just don't understand spending thousands more for a whole new engine than swapping internals.

do your research. While the boss302 internals are a little stronger than a regular GT's, they're not quite as strong as a true forged piston and h-beam rod. Stock rods are SCARY thing.

 

[coyote302]

do your research. While the boss302 internals are a little stronger than a regular GT's, they're not quite as strong as a true forged piston and h-beam rod. Stock rods are SCARY thing.[/Q
I would just get h-beam rod and good pistons with stock crank....this is the less expensive way to do it....:rockon:

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Van @ Revan Racing said the Aluminator offers a lot more bang for the buck in a street build, especially the twin turbo system I plan to use.

 

[D.T.R]

do your research. While the boss302 internals are a little stronger than a regular GT's, they're not quite as strong as a true forged piston and h-beam rod. Stock rods are SCARY thing.[/Q
I would just get h-beam rod and good pistons with stock crank....this is the less expensive way to do it....:rockon:

yep

Van @ Revan Racing said the Aluminator offers a lot more bang for the buck in a street build, especially the twin turbo system I plan to use.

good to hear. I don't think anyone can talk me out of this...
and i'm just going to go 9.5:1 and suck it up... if it's a little laggier... so be it... it'll be safer.

 

[poof100]

do your research. While the boss302 internals are a little stronger than a regular GT's, they're not quite as strong as a true forged piston and h-beam rod. Stock rods are SCARY thing.

The boss pistons are a forged piston (Mahle) and pretty stout. As good as a custom coated CP piston, probably not, but pretty stout. The boss rods are not a true forged rod like a billet oliver or manley but they are better than the standard GT rods. Some say the Boss rods are even better than the new GT500 rods. That might be because the 5.8 rods have a longer stroke versus the 5.0 spec ones. I guess we will see how well my Boss motor holds up to this 76mm Turbo

Good luck with the Aluminator, definitely looking forward to seeing the results and power you make with it and the TT kit!

 

[ALLKHEINZ]

aluminator 11:1 in my car with paxton setup at 10psi, havent done oil pump gears but they are on the short list of to do's....figure ill be ok with the stock oil pump gears at this boost level although my shifts are set to 7500 and limiter is 7700....Car just ran low 10's on pump gas with 17 degrees timing....still have some mods to do namely alluminum DS and the MSD 2 step which will be fun with the auto trans...ill be doing the gears before i decide to up the boost to 12-13....

 

[BMR Tech]

For those that doubt the Mahle Pistons in high(er) boost applications, my realtor, good friend, and customer of mine has a 5.4 powered 2V Mustang that runs 40 PSI through an 88mm turbo. (8's@160)

He has used many different pistons, and the Mahles that I sold him years ago, are the only pistons that he prefers now. I had to talk him into them, and he thanks me for doing so. He went ahead and purchased multiple sets, because he likes them so much.

His engine builder liked them so much, that he also got some for his pushrod powered Turbo Mustang, which also runs deep in the 8's as well.

If they can run 40 PSI on them, and 8-second passes....anyone should be able to run half the boost, or less, and be safe on a good tune. As pointed out, the tune is the key component to making any engine live. If a ported Eaton Cobra, with a large nitrous shot can live for 10 years on the stock pistons, with 93 octane.... these aluminators should handle whatever power the block can take.

 

[D.T.R]

The boss pistons are a forged piston (Mahle) and pretty stout. As good as a custom coated CP piston, probably not, but pretty stout. The boss rods are not a true forged rod like a billet oliver or manley but they are better than the standard GT rods. Some say the Boss rods are even better than the new GT500 rods. That might be because the 5.8 rods have a longer stroke versus the 5.0 spec ones. I guess we will see how well my Boss motor holds up to this 76mm Turbo

Good luck with the Aluminator, definitely looking forward to seeing the results and power you make with it and the TT kit!

Thanks man, we'll see how it goes...

aluminator 11:1 in my car with paxton setup at 10psi, havent done oil pump gears but they are on the short list of to do's....figure ill be ok with the stock oil pump gears at this boost level although my shifts are set to 7500 and limiter is 7700....Car just ran low 10's on pump gas with 17 degrees timing....still have some mods to do namely alluminum DS and the MSD 2 step which will be fun with the auto trans...ill be doing the gears before i decide to up the boost to 12-13....

how come only 10psi (that's what... 600whp? ish ? ) I'd push a lot more given that you have an aluminator block.

For those that doubt the Mahle Pistons in high(er) boost applications, my realtor, good friend, and customer of mine has a 5.4 powered 2V Mustang that runs 40 PSI through an 88mm turbo. (8's@160)

He has used many different pistons, and the Mahles that I sold him years ago, are the only pistons that he prefers now. I had to talk him into them, and he thanks me for doing so. He went ahead and purchased multiple sets, because he likes them so much.

His engine builder liked them so much, that he also got some for his pushrod powered Turbo Mustang, which also runs deep in the 8's as well.

If they can run 40 PSI on them, and 8-second passes....anyone should be able to run half the boost, or less, and be safe on a good tune. As pointed out, the tune is the key component to making any engine live. If a ported Eaton Cobra, with a large nitrous shot can live for 10 years on the stock pistons, with 93 octane.... these aluminators should handle whatever power the block can take.

Yeah, i don't think Ford would have chosen the rotating assembly they chose and give you a 1000whp assurance and 2yr warranty, if they didn't feel that it can handle it.

 

[jojobee]

I have an 11:1 Aluminator. I put a set of TSS oil pump gears in it. It isn't too much work, really.

Do you remember how much time it took you approximately ?
Brenspeed quoted me like 400$ of labour to open the Aluminator and do the gears swap.
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[SC2011GT]

Do you remember how much time it took you approximately ?
Brenspeed quoted me like 400$ of labour to open the Aluminator and do the gears swap.
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Engine on a stand, or in the car?

 

[Blazer707@TBR]

There is always people biased like that... that's why i don't nut swing from anybody... a lot of the people that sell parts, push for certain product(s) because is what they sell or make more money off of.

yes, pull the stock motor out and drop this one in. You will need a tune.

Like i said, i will be in the same power range as you, and I'm pretty sure i will be happy with this motor. I'm not looking to make more power than the block can handle.


See the post i quoted above yours.

You would need a tune for an 11:1 alluminator?

-Thomas

 

[SC2011GT]

You would need a tune for an 11:1 alluminator?

-Thomas

No.

 

[Blazer707@TBR]

No.

That's what I figured. Wouldn't make sense if it needed a tune for the stock compression configuration.

Anyone seen an aluminator failure yet?


-Thomas

 

[SC2011GT]

That's what I figured. Wouldn't make sense if it needed a tune for the stock compression configuration.

Anyone seen an aluminator failure yet?


-Thomas

I have not heard of any failures. Mine has more than exceeded my expectations.

 

[Snakenhorse]

I have not heard of any failures. Mine has more than exceeded my expectations.

How much boost are you running on the keene bell to reach the 9.4 ET's?
Thank you.

 

[SC2011GT]

How much boost are you running on the keene bell to reach the 9.4 ET's?
Thank you.

18 psi. Turned up to 22 psi now, but haven't had it back to the track. It is HOT out here right now. I've made some changes, we will go 8s as soon as it cools off.

 

[dabster]

18 psi. Turned up to 22 psi now, but haven't had it back to the track. It is HOT out here right now. I've made some changes, we will go 8s as soon as it cools off.

numbers by chance at both boost levels? sick times :banana:

 

[SC2011GT]

numbers by chance at both boost levels? sick times :banana:

18 psi = mid 800s
22 psi = low 900s