Single turbo or Vortech

[slamdcoop0428]

you can do a tuner kit, cat deltes, upgraded injectors bap, pulley and be making 750 rwhp and still be close to $1500 less than the turbo kits,

and thats' with great injectors like id's, etc..

most turbo kits at 7k + still don't come as complete as some people would want either.

yes, i push the centri's, thats because bang for the buck, they are impossible to beat, and will run with any other system out there

in 2 1/2 years i've yet to be proved wrong, centri's get it done

look at companies like hellion, and JPC

what does urist use on his race car? Centri
what does jpc use on their shop car? Centri

both companies manufacture in house turbo kits, but run centri's on their race cars, hmmm...

We can go back and forth on this all day. But in the end I drive my car on the street and have fun with it on the street and there is nothing better then popping my hood for myself to look at or to show people and those twin billet wheel turbos that are just looking right back at you looking mean as hell. You drive your car at the track and prove times and also make a living off of this stuff so you are biased. Yes centri's work at the track no doubt but so do turbo cars all the time. So like I said we can back and forth all day on what works and what doesn't. But they all work on these cars very well so it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day my opinion is turbos are the sickest sounding, looking, most efficient power adder out there on any car.

Also belts are meant for holding pants up not going fast

 

[Eric@jpc]

look at companies like hellion, and JPC

what does urist use on his race car? Centri
what does jpc use on their shop car? Centri

both companies manufacture in house turbo kits, but run centri's on their race cars, hmmm...

OK lets settle this now....

1st off John uses a blower because the rules for SSO highly favor the blowers.. Not to mention he's been racing small tire blower cars for a long time and winning. I'm sure the minute the rules favored the turbo he would have one. People who actually race heads up they understand how quickly rules can become unfair and give a combo the edge. In this case its the blower.

2nd we are running the Paxton for a few reasons.... we teamed up with Paxton in 2010 to help test their kit for them. So that's what we did. Since then yes we have developed a turbo kit and no its not on our car because we wanted to be the 1 and only stick shift 5.0 in the 8's. If you have ever driven a Stick Turbo car (which you may have) you should understand the complications with trying to run 8's with a stick/turbo in this chassis. Once we are done playing with the magnum and we decide to to put the "automagic" in our car with OUR turbo kit you can pretty much clear the record books cause we are going to be the fastest 2011 on slicks/Radials/street tires or what ever other records that is out there like car color, day of the week, rim ect :burnout:

Thanks

 

[D.T.R]

I mean, if we are going to start using track cars as point of comparison, isn't MMR's twin turbo car the fastest 5.0 in the world? Yeah... has nothing to do with a street car lol... neither do all these other purpose built track cars mentioned earlier.

 

[D.T.R]

We can go back and forth on this all day. But in the end I drive my car on the street and have fun with it on the street and there is nothing better then popping my hood for myself to look at or to show people and those twin billet wheel turbos that are just looking right back at you looking mean as hell. You drive your car at the track and prove times and also make a living off of this stuff so you are biased. Yes centri's work at the track no doubt but so do turbo cars all the time. So like I said we can back and forth all day on what works and what doesn't. But they all work on these cars very well so it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day my opinion is turbos are the sickest sounding, looking, most efficient power adder out there on any car.

Also belts are meant for holding pants up not going fast

couldn't agree any more.

 

[Eric@jpc]

I mean, if we are going to start using track cars as point of comparison, isn't the fastest 5.0 in the world MMR's twin turbo car? Yeah... has nothing to do with a street car lol... neither do all these other purpose built track cars mentioned earlier.

maybe not but here is a car with our single kit

JPC - Al Davis 2011 Mustang GT w/ JPC Turbo Kit @ MIR - YouTube

Its been in the 9s on drag radials and weighs about 4000 lbs with a driver

Glass roof and Back up Camera :beer:

Does Ken Bs car count? not being a smart ass just asking. All im saying is there are some fast turbo cars out there. And alot of them would be even faster if we had a transbrake option for the 6 speed.

 

[beefcake]

We can go back and forth on this all day. But in the end I drive my car on the street and have fun with it on the street and there is nothing better then popping my hood for myself to look at or to show people and those twin billet wheel turbos that are just looking right back at you looking mean as hell. You drive your car at the track and prove times and also make a living off of this stuff so you are biased. Yes centri's work at the track no doubt but so do turbo cars all the time. So like I said we can back and forth all day on what works and what doesn't. But they all work on these cars very well so it doesn't really matter. At the end of the day my opinion is turbos are the sickest sounding, looking, most efficient power adder out there on any car.

Also belts are meant for holding pants up not going fast

Again, thats relative to opinion, my car sounds sick as hell, you can hear the blower wine coming from down the street, and the blow offs sound killer.

and yes, all the power adders do well on these cars, we all know that

OK lets settle this now....

1st off John uses a blower because the rules for SSO highly favor the blowers.. Not to mention he's been racing small tire blower cars for a long time and winning. I'm sure the minute the rules favored the turbo he would have one. People who actually race heads up they understand how quickly rules can become unfair and give a combo the edge. In this case its the blower.

2nd we are running the Paxton for a few reasons.... we teamed up with Paxton in 2010 to help test their kit for them. So that's what we did. Since then yes we have developed a turbo kit and no its not on our car because we wanted to be the 1 and only stick shift 5.0 in the 8's. If you have ever driven a Stick Turbo car (which you may have) you should understand the complications with trying to run 8's with a stick/turbo in this chassis. Once we are done playing with the magnum and we decide to to put the "automagic" in our car with OUR turbo kit you can pretty much clear the record books cause we are going to be the fastest 2011 on slicks/Radials/street tires or what ever other records that is out there like car color, day of the week, rim ect :burnout:

Thanks

well, a 2+ second increase over your current time is a big claim, i'd work on the '8's, then 7's, before you start claiming 6 second e.t.'s lol, since mmr is right on the 6 second door, that's what it's going to take ;-)

and yes, at that point, i'm sure you'll leave me hanging out there, as my car will never be turned into a race car oke:

I mean, if we are going to start using track cars as point of comparison, isn't MMR's twin turbo car the fastest 5.0 in the world? Yeah... has nothing to do with a street car lol... neither do all these other purpose built track cars mentioned earlier.

I think your lumping my car in with the wrong group of cars. You have street cars, chris cruz, me, jon lund, sean kelly

and you have race cars

mmr, jpc, evo

by race car i mean severly lightened / option deleted cars. I'm not for sure, but I believe mmr's car weighs under 3k, and jpc / evo's cars are around the 3300 mark.

My car is still 3850 lbs with me in it, factory auto trans, a/c, heat, wipers, mirrors, all the power options it came with, 500 watt stereo, back up camera, cruise, etc...

I trailer the car out of town, because long distances (4+ hours from home) it makes sense.

My car in 2 1/2 years has never been trailered to the local track which is over an hour away from home.

The day I ran my 9.03. I drove over an hour from home, filled up at the local krogers grocery store on pump e85, hit the track, ran a 9.03 on the drag radials i drove there on.

Left the track, drove 45 minutes to my daughters basketball game in KY, then drove another 45 mintues back home.

If i pulled another 300-400 pounds out of the car it would be a solid 8 second car already.

My goal for this year is 8.50's at full weight still.

I'm not taking anything away from other cars running quick, but cars like chris cruz, and mine, are just different. We drive them everyday, and they still have all their options

I have no delusion of ever going after mmr's times

Edit:
What I've tried to do with my car is put a package together that anyone could expect to duplicate with their daily driver, and still drive every day.

I would have no problem jumping in the car and taking it on a 10 hour road trip, and doing it comfortably.

 

[CPRsm]

Eric already mentioned rules and sponsorship for the power adder choice. Many classes have turbo cars at a disadvantage. Either with weight, turbo size or no brake allowed. But the tranbrake is a good point though. A tranbrake is going knock off quite a bit of time on the auto cars.
As for pricing you can get into a blower kit cheap. If you do the kit and only the kit it can stay cheap. But if you're like most people who don't stop modding, the prices are pretty damn close. My single comes with a k member, tubular radiator support, headers, mid pipe and an expansion tank that doesn't need to be replaced because it leaks. Not to knock, but it seems to be an added cost for a lot people after the blower purchase (paxton is it)? Also the only kit on the market that I know of that has an option for either an air to air or air to water intercooler. But the exhaust alone can cost you $1000+ afterwards. Then add about another $750 for the included suspension components. 2-250ish for an expansion tank? How much have you really saved? If you have a mod addiction it may not be much if any. Most folks that go F/I, don't stop w the initial purchase of the power adder. Something to keep in mind.

 

[Tommy@JPC]

Again, thats relative to opinion, my car sounds sick as hell, you can hear the blower wine coming from down the street, and the blow offs sound killer.

Props to you on your ride it runs and sounds great no denying it congrats, where is the pat on the back smiley when I need it?

and yes, all the power adders do well on these cars, we all know that

Yup we agree here also, that is why we offer and sell every option on the market for our customers. We feel it's best for a vendor to have these options so not to force the customers a certain brand or power adder because that's all we sell. I worked for another large Speed Shop for 10 years prior to working for JPC. We did not have as many options and that was one thing I always hated while selling products there, I could not give the customers what actually worked best all the time.

well, a 2+ second increase over your current time is a big claim, i'd work on the '8's, then 7's, before you start claiming 6 second e.t.'s lol, since mmr is right on the 6 second door, that's what it's going to take ;-)

I think we all know this is a ridiculous statement. So basically your trying to lump us into a class with a back half car that has a magneto and stand alone.... Hmmmm Good one.

and yes, at that point, i'm sure you'll leave me hanging out there, as my car will never be turned into a race car oke:

Not a Race Car?

I think your lumping my car in with the wrong group of cars. You have street cars, chris cruz, me, jon lund, sean kelly

and you have race cars
mmr, jpc, evo
by race car i mean severly lightened / option deleted cars. I'm not for sure, but I believe mmr's car weighs under 3k, and jpc / evo's cars are around the 3300 mark.

So basically if you lighten a car to go fast it automatically considered a race car? I think that would put a lot of people into this very small catagory.
Just because you choose the route of a heavy car does not make a car like ours or EVO's for that matter not streetable. Street car is a loose term, just because Justin doesn't want to drive his car around on a daily bases does not mean he could not drive it back and forth to work. I'm sure when he cuts the check to MD for tags fee's and the insurance company they would call it a street car. Also driving all over MB Mustang week in the heat and racing and all didn't make it streetable either? Yes MMR's car is in a different catagory it's a RACE CAR.

My car is still 3850 lbs with me in it, factory auto trans, a/c, heat, wipers, mirrors, all the power options it came with, 500 watt stereo, back up camera, cruise, etc...

So your car has no weight reduction what so ever? No tubular k members? or bumper deletes ? Nothing? Seems light with you in it to be all stock as a street car.

I trailer the car out of town, because long distances (4+ hours from home) it makes sense.

Yup same as JB's car to Myrtle Beach ;-)

My car in 2 1/2 years has never been trailered to the local track which is over an hour away from home.

I don't know what this has to do with anything but, where is the pat on the back smiley when I need it?

The day I ran my 9.03. I drove over an hour from home, filled up at the local krogers grocery store on pump e85, hit the track, ran a 9.03 on the drag radials i drove there on.
Left the track, drove 45 minutes to my daughters basketball game in KY, then drove another 45 mintues back home.

Again see above.........

If i pulled another 300-400 pounds out of the car it SHOULD be a solid 8 second car already.

Fixed it for you

I'm not taking anything away from other cars running quick, but cars like chris cruz, and mine, are just different. We drive them everyday, and they still have all their options

But you kind of are, I agree your car, Chris car and what seems to be an Auto thing (because it is easier all the way around) are the only cars running strong at weight. I wonder why that is?

I have no delusion of ever going after mmr's times

Who does? Noone even thinks about their car in these discussion on records. So does a Paxton 2200 equal at Vortech JT Trim for output in these discussions? Considering their built by the same people ect?

 

[beefcake]

Props to you on your ride it runs and sounds great no denying it congrats, where is the pat on the back smiley when I need it?


Yup we agree here also, that is why we offer and sell every option on the market for our customers. We feel it's best for a vendor to have these options so not to force the customers a certain brand or power adder because that's all we sell. I worked for another large Speed Shop for 10 years prior to working for JPC. We did not have as many options and that was one thing I always hated while selling products there, I could not give the customers what actually worked best all the time.



I think we all know this is a ridiculous statement. So basically your trying to lump us into a class with a back half car that has a magneto and stand alone.... Hmmmm Good one.


Not a Race Car?

So basically if you lighten a car to go fast it automatically considered a race car? I think that would put a lot of people into this very small catagory.
Just because you choose the route of a heavy car does not make a car like ours or EVO's for that matter not streetable. Street car is a loose term, just because Justin doesn't want to drive his car around on a daily bases does not mean he could not drive it back and forth to work. I'm sure when he cuts the check to MD for tags fee's and the insurance company they would call it a street car. Also driving all over MB Mustang week in the heat and racing and all didn't make it streetable either? Yes MMR's car is in a different catagory it's a RACE CAR.


So your car has no weight reduction what so ever? No tubular k members? or bumper deletes ? Nothing? Seems light with you in it to be all stock as a street car.


Yup same as JB's car to Myrtle Beach ;-)


I don't know what this has to do with anything but, where is the pat on the back smiley when I need it?


Again see above.........


Fixed it for you


But you kind of are, I agree your car, Chris car and what seems to be an Auto thing (because it is easier all the way around) are the only cars running strong at weight. I wonder why that is?


Who does? Noone even thinks about their car in these discussion on records. So does a Paxton 2200 equal at Vortech JT Trim for output in these discussions? Considering their built by the same people ect?

LOL, way too much to quote from being mobile,

My point is, bang for the Buck, 90% of the time, the Paxton /vortech set up is the best route

Obviously the guy that wants to go for 1000rwhp is a different customer. Yours, cprs, Ken n jons kits are all great options

 

[Aaron@JPCRacing]

*Cough*

Worlds quickest Vortech powered coyote -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G_9MYsP13U


Just wanted to clarify some things. It also had a 6 speed manual transmission.

It was also running the YSI on that pass.

 

[beefcake]

*Cough*

Worlds quickest Vortech powered coyote -

JPC - Paxton Powered JPC 2011 goes 9.006 - YouTube


Just wanted to clarify some things. It also had a 6 speed manual transmission.

It was also running the YSI on that pass.

Bigger blower, 200 more rwhp, 500lbs lighter, only 3 hundredths quicker and 1 mph slower?

Can't wait till I get my ysi on and make 1200+

 

[Tommy@JPC]

LOL, way too much to quote from being mobile,
My point is, bang for the Buck, 90% of the time, the Paxton /vortech set up is the best route
Obviously the guy that wants to go for 1000rwhp is a different customer. Yours, cprs, Ken n jons kits are all great options

Not denying the Paxton/Vortech kits as being a great bang for the buck. But our turbo kit can be set at 6psi and make 600hp or turned up to 1000hp on a stock set up. The Centri's can't do that.

If you have a fuel system with our Turbo kit and a short block if you want to shoot for the moon you can make 1000rwhp everything else stock. To make 800+ hp on a centri you will spend the same or more money all around to make that power. I think that's the point everyone is getting at, also you could turn the boost down for the street and probably have more fun than trying to pull off your reverse mounted blower to swap a pulley :rolling:

 

[Tommy@JPC]

Bigger blower, 200 more rwhp, 500lbs lighter, only 3 hundredths quicker and 1 mph slower?

Can't wait till I get my ysi on and make 1200+

Have to make up for the stick / 3 link combo that isn't all the great. So either way it went quicker. If we put a 6r80 in the car it would get ugly.

 

[D.T.R]

I'm liking this

 

[tt335ci03cobra]

Bigger blower, 200 more rwhp, 500lbs lighter, only 3 hundredths quicker and 1 mph slower?

Can't wait till I get my ysi on and make 1200+

M6 vs a6. Very big difference. If he was auto he'd be mid 8's easy.

 

[beefcake]

Not denying the Paxton/Vortech kits as being a great bang for the buck. But our turbo kit can be set at 6psi and make 600hp or turned up to 1000hp on a stock set up. The Centri's can't do that.

If you have a fuel system with our Turbo kit and a short block if you want to shoot for the moon you can make 1000rwhp everything else stock. To make 800+ hp on a centri you will spend the same or more money all around to make that power. I think that's the point everyone is getting at, also you could turn the boost down for the street and probably have more fun than trying to pull off your reverse mounted blower to swap a pulley :rolling:

I agree 100%

Have to make up for the stick / 3 link combo that isn't all the great. So either way it went quicker. If we put a 6r80 in the car it would get ugly.

LOL, maybe. Maybe not

I'm liking this

LOL, its all good fun leading up to a new year

Sound be a pretty exciting year

 

[D.T.R]

I agree 100%



LOL, maybe. Maybe not



LOL, its all good fun leading up to a new year

Sound be a pretty exciting year

All i see is everyone going faster this year... so yeah it's great for the 5.0 community :beer:

 

[beefcake]

M6 vs a6. Very big difference. If he was auto he'd be mid 8's easy.

If I had 500 pounds out of my car id be mid 8s easy

You forget, the stick has a big launch advantage, I'm coming out at 2500 vs 6k, way better 60 opportunity

 

[beefcake]

All i see is everyone going faster this year... so yeah it's great for the 5.0 community :beer:

Exactly, I'm pretty excited

 

[Bud]

If I had 500 pounds out of my car id be mid 8s easy

You forget, the stick has a big launch advantage, I'm coming out at 2500 vs 6k, way better 60 opportunity

Your car 60's awesome for 4k lbs man. Not sure a stick has any advantage of a dialed in auto with the right converter, especially for consistently fast launches.

I starting to think that getting weight out of these cars is harder and more expensive than making power. Couldn't imagine dropping 500lbs.

It's going to be fun to watch what all you guys get done this year