Wife's Student Thinks Communism is Great

[01cobravortech]

Enough with your pro-commie rhetoric you ****ing COMMIE!!

(just kidding)

:lol:

 

[01cobravortech]

Yes, it does quite a bit and this can be good and bad. My father is a raging liberal and I agreed with him until I was just out of college. I starting thinking about things and decieded that I didnt' agree with his politics at all. We do agree on religion though. Anyway, I decieded that I didn't agree with his passive and liberal ideas, so I'm now an airforce pilot. I think that at times one needs to stand up and kick some butt when needed. I also am a die hard conservative and proud of it.

Lance

Unfortunately, sometimes we have to stand up and kick some ass based on past history.

 

[DaleM]

Read the Communist Manifesto by Marx. Quite a good read. It would all be nice if we could follow through with the Manifesto and live as Marx invisioned. Too bad we're all too ****ed up to do that .

Marx stunk. Unless you don't mind a dictatorship for a long period of time. It pits fellow countrymen against eachother in an effort to destroy economic freedom. Centralizes control of all industry, education, agricultrure and removes the private ownership and production.
A man who hates rich people so much is no man at all.

 

[harry gilbert]

...high school student tell her that Communism is great and how democracy sucks. Lance

Thank goodness America is a Constitutional Republic, not a "Democracy". The Founding Fathers also believed that democracy sucks. Of course, the liberal Democrats and liberal media keep chanting that we have a democracy, and too many of the sheeple believe this, not understanding history.

It's a great disappointment to me that our elected government is embarked on a mission to bring "democracy" to the oppressed masses in the Middle East.

 

[czwalga00gt]

Thank goodness America is a Constitutional Republic, not a "Democracy". The Founding Fathers also believed that democracy sucks. Of course, the liberal Democrats and liberal media keep chanting that we have a democracy, and too many of the sheeple believe this, not understanding history.

It's a great disappointment to me that our elected government is embarked on a mission to bring "democracy" to the oppressed masses in the Middle East.

So you just contradicted yourself; you bash democrats, then say it sucks the bush administration is trying to turn the middle east into a demcracy?

Too many of the sheeple huh? I suppose that includes our president... who you probably voted for. Maybe it's not the liberals maybe its most elected officials in our country. Think a little bit.

 

[GodStang]

In order to pay for College I did Archeology. Everyone I worked with love communism or socialism. We would get in arguments and I would show where it would fail and used examples of history and they would just be like oh that was not communism it was someone else take off of it so that does not count. I tried to tell them that Human greed would make it impossible for communism to work.

 

[Shambles]

Marx stunk. Unless you don't mind a dictatorship for a long period of time. It pits fellow countrymen against eachother in an effort to destroy economic freedom. Centralizes control of all industry, education, agricultrure and removes the private ownership and production.
A man who hates rich people so much is no man at all.

Well, it kinda puts it into a "do the ends justify the means" type focus. The finished product would be nice (Utopian Society).

Remember, when this was written there was a VERY LARGE gap inbetween the middle/lower and the upper class (proletariats). At the time it was a revolutionary idea and a revolt would have solved a lot of problems (unfair wages, housing conditions, etc..)

In todays time, however, Marxism wouldnt be too good of a choice.

 

[DaleM]

Well, it kinda puts it into a "do the ends justify the means" type focus. The finished product would be nice (Utopian Society).

Remember, when this was written there was a VERY LARGE gap inbetween the middle/lower and the upper class (proletariats). At the time it was a revolutionary idea and a revolt would have solved a lot of problems (unfair wages, housing conditions, etc..)

In todays time, however, Marxism wouldnt be too good of a choice.

I could not imagine any modern society falling for the trap of communism. If entropy could apply we would all live somewhere between middle class and lower claas to have everyone at the same standard of living worlwide. While a windfall for the 3rd world types an absolute eye opener for advanced societies.
What is the take on religion for the communist? While I am not a believer i would not want to dictate godlessness to others.

 

[Shambles]

I could not imagine any modern society falling for the trap of communism. If entropy could apply we would all live somewhere between middle class and lower claas to have everyone at the same standard of living worlwide. While a windfall for the 3rd world types an absolute eye opener for advanced societies.
What is the take on religion for the communist? While I am not a believer i would not want to dictate godlessness to others.

I couldnt imagine a modern society falling for Communism either. History dictates what happens in such a situation, and most people really dont like the result (i.e. The Russian Rebellion and the subsequent rise of Lenin and Stalin into a dictatorship position and not a commune type position).

As far as religion goes, I dont think that Marx said that there was a God at all. Religion didnt play into any part of Marxism that I can remember, but I havnt read the Manifesto in a while.

The end result would be nice (Utopian Society), but the means to get to that end just dont work. Destroy your society to rebuild it again. Sure it would create jobs, but it also fuels greed, etc....

 

[DaleM]

As far as religion goes, I dont think that Marx said that there was a God at all. Religion didnt play into any part of Marxism that I can remember, but I havnt read the Manifesto in a while.

"There are, besides, eternal truths, such as Freedom, Justice, etc., that are common to all states of society. But communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality, instead of constituting them on a new basis; it therefore acts in contradiction to all past historical experience."

 

[Shambles]

Well there you go!

I didnt think that it was a pro-religion type of govt....just couldnt say so 100%.

Like everyone has said, the idea behind communism is a good one, but the way to get to it and man's ineptitude to be civilized, just make this only an idea.

 

[DaleM]

Marx’s most famous quote is not about his hatred of capitalism, but about his hatred of religion. “Religion is the opiate of the people,” he said, equating religion with the most addictive and deadly drugs of his time. Marx wanted religion abolished, and he made forced atheism a formal part of communism.

Some experts argue that all people have an inherent need for spirituality, and without the option of religion, they may become desperate for a belief in something greater than themselves. Communism has rejected religion, but has still tried to tap into the human need for spirituality. In a way, they have created a new religion called Deification of the State. Infamous communists like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong used this new kind of religion to make people believe they were virtual gods. The people of their countries were encourage (or forced, in some cases) to worship them. Ironically, by rejecting religion, communism has become a kind of theocracy.

 

[Shambles]

I knew Marx made some kind of famous quote in reference to religion, just couldnt think of it.

Didnt really know about the other stuff though. You learn something new everyday.

 

[harry gilbert]

So you just contradicted yourself; you bash democrats, then say it sucks the bush administration is trying to turn the middle east into a demcracy?

Too many of the sheeple huh? I suppose that includes our president... who you probably voted for. Maybe it's not the liberals maybe its most elected officials in our country. Think a little bit.

No contradiction: Democrats want America to be a "democracy", and Bush is pushing "democracy" on the rest of the world. I said I was disappointed, and it's because Bush is turning out too liberal for me. IMHO, his only saving grace is that he's not trying to cut and run in the war on terror like the liberals.

"Sheeple" is a derogatory term for the great masses of people who do not know history, and blindly follow party lines. Since Bush helps determine the party direction, he can't be said to blindly follow it.....think a little bit.

 

[DaleM]

I knew Marx made some kind of famous quote in reference to religion, just couldnt think of it.

Didnt really know about the other stuff though. You learn something new everyday.

Like I say, i am non-religious, I just don't have a warm fuzzy about making others like me. I love my uniqueness! :beer:

 

[gump]

Maybe you should learn a thing or two before you spout off about stuff you have no clue what you're talking about. Cuba/North Korea really live in a facsist state with some communist ideas. Everyone says they live in a communist state, but thats just the ideal adopted by everyone in this country.

If the actual idea of communism was in place in north korea/cuba there would would not be 70million people being killed as you put it.




Like someone else stated, the actual idea of communism isnt a bad idea; It would never work on a wide scale of people. The american indians had a MUCH closer system to communism than any of the countries we're told have a communist government. To my knowledge the only fairly recent system of pure communism happend during the spanish civil war... it didnt last very long and it wasnt a lot of people... a small group of freedom fighters.

You're just a college kid who has'nt learned in reality what communism really is, so I'll count the comments above from you, is due to your lack of life's experiences.

The 70 million, was not Korea or Cuba, it was China, by Mao himself. :read:

Korea, well, cannibalism does exist as a matter of fact. Amnesty may still have it listed, have'nt checked in a while. Eyewitness testimonies prove this to be a fact.

Cuba, well GD, these people risk it all just to take a chance to come here. These are not only the people who want to start their own business & a chance at the American Dream, these are Cuba's poorest who risk it all trying to get here in makeshift rafts.

I want you to enlighten me on just what it is that makes communism great, name 5 points of greatness.

When you get more than a car payment + insurance, and a few small credit cards, get back with me, I'll give you the podium.