Wife's Student Thinks Communism is Great

[czwalga00gt]

People in America who think communism is great = more stupid than a 3rd grade education bubba.

Why you ask?

Because the continue to live here when they say another way or place is better. It would be good ridance if she was a student of her own principles and move to a communist country. You know, like North Korea where cannibalism goes on. Or Cuba, where people risk there lives just to get out. Or China, again, where between 70 million people got killed, all in the name of communism ( aka the state ).

Communism rules! :xpl:

stupid is as stupid does

Maybe you should learn a thing or two before you spout off about stuff you have no clue what you're talking about. Cuba/North Korea really live in a facsist state with some communist ideas. Everyone says they live in a communist state, but thats just the ideal adopted by everyone in this country.

If the actual idea of communism was in place in north korea/cuba there would would not be 70million people being killed as you put it.




Like someone else stated, the actual idea of communism isnt a bad idea; It would never work on a wide scale of people. The american indians had a MUCH closer system to communism than any of the countries we're told have a communist government. To my knowledge the only fairly recent system of pure communism happend during the spanish civil war... it didnt last very long and it wasnt a lot of people... a small group of freedom fighters.

 

[MusclePower1]

People here have a good sense of the basic idea here: communism is not an awful idea, but b/c of everything it is to be human it DOES NOT WORK.

The fact is, democracy and capitalism are the best systems thus far developed that allow people to have the most opportunity:
1. in being free
2. in making a living

 

[LogiWorld123]

She basically got him to admit that his parents have these opinions and he's adopting their views. What is wrong with these people. I swear I just want to beat some sense into them.

Happens everyday with morals, politics, and even religion.

 

[DaleM]

Happens everyday with morals, politics, and even religion.

Does not!

 

[01cobravortech]

Maybe you should learn a thing or two before you spout off about stuff you have no clue what you're talking about. Cuba/North Korea really live in a facsist state with some communist ideas. Everyone says they live in a communist state, but thats just the ideal adopted by everyone in this country.

If the actual idea of communism was in place in north korea/cuba there would would not be 70million people being killed as you put it.




Like someone else stated, the actual idea of communism isnt a bad idea; It would never work on a wide scale of people. The american indians had a MUCH closer system to communism than any of the countries we're told have a communist government. To my knowledge the only fairly recent system of pure communism happend during the spanish civil war... it didnt last very long and it wasnt a lot of people... a small group of freedom fighters.

+1 Thats an excellent assessment.

 

[DaleM]

The indians were not a violent people and had no aggressive impulses to kick weaker tribes all over the country and take their hunting areas. Communism sucks even in it's utopian idealogical form. Yes Communist State is an oxymoron.

 

[iCEMANSGCCC]

The idea of communism isn't bad, it's supposed to create a utopia. But the leaders of communist nations is what kills it

 

[Slow04Cobra]

Communism is about as bad as a democracy! Bring back the constitutional republic!

 

[FordRacing200]

Living up in Washington has been quite an experience, but we've achieved a new level for this jacked up state. Wife's a teacher and she had a high school student tell her that Communism is great and how democracy sucks. He was claiming how successful all commie govts are. She tried explaining to him what Communism means and how his life would be different under communism. She basically got him to admit that his parents have these opinions and he's adopting their views. What is wrong with these people. I swear I just want to beat some sense into them.

Lance :nonono: :nonono:

shoot him

 

[DaleM]

The idea of communism isn't bad, it's supposed to create a utopia. But the leaders of communist nations is what kills it

I think what kills it is the innate concept of competition amongst all of nature, especially man. It would only work when you are satisfied to do your hardest work everyday for the same rewards as the man who does nothing all day. Why educate yourself all those years, a pure heart would definitely be required. But what is pure about nature? The plants compete for light, animals for food and sexual partners, humans for higher selfish reasons. i don't see it being more than a fantasy of heavenly proportions.

 

[Codes]

I would argue that there hasnt actually been a truly communist state. And a lot of you are confusing communism with the leaders of so called communist countries. It also needs to be understood that Communism doesnt necessarily mean owning nothing. It mainly refers to private ownership of business. Once again I point out (like I have a few other times when a topic like this pops up) that a lot of you have very skewed (read 1950ish) views on communism.

 

[1Day-ACobra]

I would argue that there hasnt actually been a truly communist state. And a lot of you are confusing communism with the leaders of so called communist countries. It also needs to be understood that Communism doesnt necessarily mean owning nothing. It mainly refers to private ownership of business. Once again I point out (like I have a few other times when a topic like this pops up) that a lot of you have very skewed (read 1950ish) views on communism.

Enough with your pro-commie rhetoric you ****ing COMMIE!!

(just kidding)

 

[Codes]

i don't see it being more than a fantasy of heavenly proportions.

Agreed, it is one of those to good to be true things.

 

[DaleM]

Communist State is an oxymoron.

 

[WHITESVTCOBRA]

Well I know that communism is not the right type of gov. but what I said is exactly what I meant "in theory" where everythings perfect and nothing defects. But we all know that the human race will neve except being exactly the same. Greed ruins it all and always will. In reality there is no government that can totally satisfy everyone and take care of everything without violating someone's belief's, or feelings. The world will never be perfect so just roll with the flow.

 

[Silverstrike]

Well in simple terms

Communisim is were the people own everything and the Govt don't own a thing

Socialism is were the Govt owns everything and the people don't own anything.

But like someone said before Greed makes it non fesible

 

[RED2003COBRA]

Happens everyday with morals, politics, and even religion.

Yes, it does quite a bit and this can be good and bad. My father is a raging liberal and I agreed with him until I was just out of college. I starting thinking about things and decieded that I didnt' agree with his politics at all. We do agree on religion though. Anyway, I decieded that I didn't agree with his passive and liberal ideas, so I'm now an airforce pilot. I think that at times one needs to stand up and kick some butt when needed. I also am a die hard conservative and proud of it.

Lance

 

[TJSwoboda]

One could argue a socialist position, based on the idea that the government is more trustworthy when it comes to our welfare than people motivated by profit. As a classical liberal (read: fiscal arch-conservative) I'd disagree, but hey I understand where they're coming from.

This kid's parents OTOH are ****ing retards and I hope he questions the Diaper Red Kool Aid they've been giving him all his life, every bit as much as I hope those two Neo-Nazi budding sexpots in California question the poison their parents have fed them. Only through willful ignorance can anyone raised in a liberal democracy believe Communism, as practiced by the Soviet Union is an ideal form of government.

Finally, here's something I wrote on soc.history.what-if: http://tinyurl.com/b48x2 . Imagine an America where the Useful Idiots and Fellow Travellers are right wingers... Oh, and I swear to God, I had no idea Bob Novak is a conservative pundit when I wrote that. I wasn't trying to smear the guy, and obviously I wish I'd given the character a different name.

--T.J.

 

[Slow04Cobra]

Well in simple terms


But like someone said before Greed makes it non fesible

Greed is what our economic system is based on. One could argue that pure Marxism is just as good in theory as capitalism is. Analogy: Walmart clothes look better on a fitness model than do designer clothes on a fat kid...read U.S practicing a skewed version of capitalism and totalatarian(sp) leaders practicing a skewed version of communism.

 

[Shambles]

Like others have said, Communism is good in THEORY, but due to human nature it just wont happen.

However, I would be more reluctant to say that Communism is what we are saying is a good idea. Marxism is a good idea, as that is what Communism is based off of. Communism fails because of the human quest for power. What is supposed to happen is that after a government is overthrown by the working class and everyone is on an equal plane, there is supposed to be a temporary govt setup to bring order back. Once order is restored and everone is working for the community, instead of themselves, then the government steps down and becomes just another part of the working class, as is everyone else.

Man's greed and lust for power shoots this in the foot though. Look at Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky. They were supposed to step down, but decided they liked power and decided to run with it. Unfortunately, corruption ultimately followed.

Read the Communist Manifesto by Marx. Quite a good read. It would all be nice if we could follow through with the Manifesto and live as Marx invisioned. Too bad we're all too ****ed up to do that .