You cant beat a 600 stock thats it. A guy down the street raced his buddies 2002 R6(not me, but same bike). He was in his 2001 Z06 with a T76 turbo on there at about 500HP and they said it was a close race. Its all about weight to power. A 500 lb bike with 120hp has a better w/p ratio than a 3000lb car with 500hp.
What does it take to beat a 600cc bike??
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A 600 is going to have the power-to-weight ratio of around 5.76.
A 3600 lb car with 450rwhp has a power-to-weight ratio of 8.00.
A 3600 lb car with 600rwhp has a power-to-weight ratio of 6.00.
It takes a decent amount of power to beat a properly rode modern 600cc bike.
<---- Former owner of 152rwhp bolt-on Red/Black/Silver 02 GSX-R1000 with power-to -weight ratio of 4.14. I had a yoshi slip on TRS pipe, k&n air filter, and computer remapp. Lowered and strapped too.
A 3600 lb car with 450rwhp has a power-to-weight ratio of 8.00.
A 3600 lb car with 600rwhp has a power-to-weight ratio of 6.00.
It takes a decent amount of power to beat a properly rode modern 600cc bike.
<---- Former owner of 152rwhp bolt-on Red/Black/Silver 02 GSX-R1000 with power-to -weight ratio of 4.14. I had a yoshi slip on TRS pipe, k&n air filter, and computer remapp. Lowered and strapped too.
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I used to have fun smoking new 600cc bikes in my '89 when it was still in one piece. Every now and then I'd get a 1000cc cycle, but they'd usually put about a car length on me in the 1/4. This is all from a stop, mind you. I've been out playing with my buddy's mildly modded '94? RF900R (pretty fast bike for it's time I guess) in the Cobra before, too. From a stop he got me by a couple car lengths, unless we went to 130+ mph. This was when I just had the drag radials, 2.93 upper pulley and generic Predator tune. From a 50+ roll I'd always go around him. He sprayed me one time from a stop and I gave up at about the 1/8th mile. It was just retarded. We (cars) definitely stand a much better chance from a high speed roll.
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Sax1031 said:A 600 is going to have the power-to-weight ratio of around 5.76.
A 3600 lb car with 450rwhp has a power-to-weight ratio of 8.00.
A 3600 lb car with 600rwhp has a power-to-weight ratio of 6.00.
It takes a decent amount of power to beat a properly rode modern 600cc bike.
<---- Former owner of 152rwhp bolt-on Red/Black/Silver 02 GSX-R1000 with power-to -weight ratio of 4.14. I had a yoshi slip on TRS pipe, k&n air filter, and computer remapp. Lowered and strapped too.
I am just curious, but don't you mean weight-to-power ratios? i.e. lbs/rwhp
if you take your time to read and understand you will notice my BIKE not car is what I am talking about as I mentioned near the begginning of the very same post.R1Lello said:
pgdsmrr said:
Weird...those are some slow liter bikes. I can generally let any 600cc bike take off, wait a couple seconds, and reel them in easily without even being in an optimal gear (i.e. 4th instead of 2nd).
When I had my 2004 R1...I got it up to about 160 which was enough for me...as far as falling on it's face, well all I can say about that bike is it never seemed to wanna slow down...in fact a buddy of mine with a 2004 Hayabusa ran from 60-140ish and we were side by side...I know it would take about 130+ trap speed to kill most bikes...
I have a buddy with a 99 Honda CBR600 i have all of the mods on my Z28 except for LTs and Cam. Your Basic Bolt ON LS1. We did a freeway roll from about 65-140 it was close at first but after about 100mph i started to pull. at the end i had about 2 cars on him 
epper: :banana: epper:. Granted he is not the best rider in the world but i still achieved victory
epper: :banana: epper:. Granted he is not the best rider in the world but i still achieved victoryMy experience has shown a 450rwhp Cobra to pull a stock 600 from a high roll. If you start around 75 the bike will pull, initially. The pull will slow around 100, and the car will start pulling above that. If you find a poor rider, you can beat a lot of bikes!
R1Lello said:
Stock Cobras with the speed limiter removed have went into the 170s.
I've beaten a GSX750 Katana before, my car is pretty light, about 3000lbs with me in it, 450 flywheel horsepower. No passenger and 1 bar of gas. I got him by about 1 car, 1 and a half cars, on the freeway, from about 60-70. I had it in 3rd gear at around 3500-4000 rpms and my car is an upper RPM monster so I got him.
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Blk04Svt said:
At least that much. I haven't dynoed yet, but I figure about ~400rwhp with just CAI and Catback according to other posts of dynos with those mods.
But the way he would pull at 40 just made you feel like you didn't stand a chance. I realize it is almost pointless to race a bike or to compare the two. Yet is is always bound to happen. So from what I have read so far, some DR's, pulley, and tune with CAI and CB should get close or so??
I drove my arse off and from a dig, obviously had to bleed first, but still sucked, then power shifted second got horrible spin before hooking. By that time he had already got 3 cars on me or so and shut down. He's a cool guy, but did not seem the slightest bit impressed. Said he expected that outcome before we went, and it is almost the same distance kill or more than any other car that runs him.
But a 10 sec 1/4 at what speed? Almost seems stupid to try to race unless you are in the same ball park.
So I am going to have to try 80 in 3rd up to 140 or so in order to get an accurate compare.
Low end=killed
High end=??
Or I will just breakdown and buy a bike too. :thumbsup:
A Z06 on a t76 making 500 to the wheels couldnt take a 600cc bike? haha. That car would walk any chip/pulley'd 03/04. My friend is chip/pulleyd 2.75RR, full bolt ons, IRS bushings, 315GSD3's, subframes, and he has constantly walked 600 bikes from a 50 roll or so. He hasnt been dynoed since the pulley went on, but we are assuming around 475+ to the wheels. In fact he just called me this week saying that 3 bikes came flying up on him, so he downshifted to 2nd, waited for their punch, and took off. Letting off around 130 or so he had them by a car length or two. I was not suprised to hear this because its about the 10th time it has happened. He ran a 750 and held strong for a bit but the bike began to pull about 1-2 good lengths on him before he let off. Any cobra making 450RWHP+ should hold with a 600cc stock.
Alright!!! Another thread full of arguments about bikes by people who know nothing about them!!! Granted, some of the guys here have bikes and have made some good points but keep this in mind....9 times out of 10, you beat the RIDER....not the bike. I have the basic mods on my cobra (c/p/i/e & tune) and it wouldn't come close to my R6. If I was racing my bike, I would not even think about starting below 10000 RPM and I would sure as hell never let the rpm's drop below that when shifting. Most of the people you are going to run into on bikes have never been to a track and have no idea how to really make them scream. If they did, you would be telling a different story and this thread wouldn't be full of dumbass comments like Vancouver83LTD's
Sax1031 said:
LOL I did, because there were about 10 riders when I beat that GSX750. I HUNG with a GSXR of some kind. He was ahead of me but only by about 1 or half a car car, he looked surprised that he didn't leave me in the dust like a normal slow 5.0. :-D
BlackDrop50 said:
Katana is a 70-80 horsepower dog !!! No offense to owners who have one but def'ly not in the same league
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