So a car with way less power and no MR suspension came within .1 of the magical ZL1? To me that is a big fail!:rollseyes
MT Best Drivers Car 2012. ZL1 vs GT500
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So a car with way less power and no MR suspension came within .1 of the magical ZL1? To me that is a big fail!:rollseyes
I'm saying it will be gtr, aventador, mclaren top three. 4th place will be the gt500 if I had to guess for the drag race.
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Here's my prediction:
Porsche
Subaru
C63
McLaren
GT-R
Aventador
ZL1
GT500
XK-R
Porsche
Subaru
C63
McLaren
GT-R
Aventador
ZL1
GT500
XK-R
Not sure if 29 more HP, 110 extra pounds, some rubber and a body kit is going to net you a 33+ second advantage. AMG has completely adopted the Gullwing BS package. The "Black" series gives you the Gull's forged internals.... and would be NO WHERE near the trophy SLS AMG Ring record of 7:40 driven by Saurma. Which is where this C-class sedan would fall based on its showing... About a 7:40... In a 4300lb, 510hp sedan, while the Benz of Benz's at 565hp and 3500lbs runs a 7:40 as well?
Seems like Nurburgring is truly a magical place...
here's my best guess, which i'm definitely not confident in...
Porsche
GT-R
Subaru
Aventador
McLaren
ZL1....]
GT500] - toss up between these 3
C63....]
XK-R
you said...
"Sure they say at the end that the M3 is just a little better than the GT at the track, but it's no secret that the magazines have long been huge fanboys of the BMW 3-series car"
...doesn't the fact that the M3 is just a little better than the GT at the track make any potential(and very likely) 3-series bias irrelevant? it was a track test, and the faster/better car won.
downplay the M3's interior all you want, but it's still better than the mustang GT's. build quality is also better - until you reach the end of the warranty:lol1: but this wasn't exactly a long term test.
no one did a boss vs M3 comparison because it's pointless. during ford's boss 302 press event, they sent a pro out in an M3, in the boss 302, and in the boss 302LS around laguna seca and most of the magazines published those numbers. on top of that, with the M3 vs GT comparisons showing the two being nearly identical, what's the point in wasting the time with a comparison that everyone knows the results of? if they didn't want to see it get 'beat up on' then they wouldn't have ran a M3 vs GT comparison. the M3 doesn't come out of that comparison looking good at all, even if they did rank it 1st because of 9-hundredths of a second.
the GT500-ZL1 is a different topic that's been discussed ad nauseum.
Porsche
GT-R
Subaru
Aventador
McLaren
ZL1....]
GT500] - toss up between these 3
C63....]
XK-R
they did the BS tests because they always do them. c'mon, they put ****ing minivans and hybrids around the figure eight and down the 1/4!:lol1: lots not pretend like it actually means anything.
you said...
"Sure they say at the end that the M3 is just a little better than the GT at the track, but it's no secret that the magazines have long been huge fanboys of the BMW 3-series car"
...doesn't the fact that the M3 is just a little better than the GT at the track make any potential(and very likely) 3-series bias irrelevant? it was a track test, and the faster/better car won.
downplay the M3's interior all you want, but it's still better than the mustang GT's. build quality is also better - until you reach the end of the warranty:lol1: but this wasn't exactly a long term test.
no one did a boss vs M3 comparison because it's pointless. during ford's boss 302 press event, they sent a pro out in an M3, in the boss 302, and in the boss 302LS around laguna seca and most of the magazines published those numbers. on top of that, with the M3 vs GT comparisons showing the two being nearly identical, what's the point in wasting the time with a comparison that everyone knows the results of? if they didn't want to see it get 'beat up on' then they wouldn't have ran a M3 vs GT comparison. the M3 doesn't come out of that comparison looking good at all, even if they did rank it 1st because of 9-hundredths of a second.
the GT500-ZL1 is a different topic that's been discussed ad nauseum.
Results are in...GT500 ranked 7th, ZL1 ranked 6th. This will be touted as a huge victory on C5.
2012 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car - Motor Trend
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2012 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car - Motor Trend
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Not to mention Johnny O'Connell drove the CTS-V wagon around the 'ring for Motor Trend and ran an 8:13, I believe. And before anyone says "It's a wagon! Blah blah!", Top Gear USA's "Stig" put the wagon around their track faster than the coupe on the same day. So it's not unreasonable to assume the coupe, sedan, and wagon are all on par with one another in track prowess.
The ZL1's hero 'ring run was arguably done in a non-production car.
Once again Motor Trend proves how worthless they are...thats just my opinion....seriously the subaru over the GT500, zl1, Lambo, Mcclaren??? yeah ok....As usual instead using the driving impressions of the actual driver, they use that of the editors....whatever :lol1:.
Admittedly I expected the 911 to win but I mean come on...I wont even read it because I could careless what their opinions are and why they choose one over the other. I have my own criteria and I stick to it, Im sure the porsche is a blast to drive, but I would not be caught dead in it ( outdated and ugly) nor would I ever consider the Subaru...the only cars on that list I would drive are the GTR, Mclaren and Lambo(these two for fun not to own) and hell rather have the zl1 too.
But my ultimate choice is sitting right outside, and thats what matters folks! GT500 FTW! :beer:
Admittedly I expected the 911 to win but I mean come on...I wont even read it because I could careless what their opinions are and why they choose one over the other. I have my own criteria and I stick to it, Im sure the porsche is a blast to drive, but I would not be caught dead in it ( outdated and ugly) nor would I ever consider the Subaru...the only cars on that list I would drive are the GTR, Mclaren and Lambo(these two for fun not to own) and hell rather have the zl1 too.
But my ultimate choice is sitting right outside, and thats what matters folks! GT500 FTW! :beer:
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wow it amazes me that a 74" tall mustang could handle like it did... that bitch has to be top heavy as all hell with only being 55" wide
2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Spec Box Photo 31
2013 Ford Shelby GT500 Spec Box Photo 31
So- in my driveway just 2 weeks ago were 2 of the cars on that list (GT500, BRZ, ok FRS, but same thing)
Looks like I'll have a third car from that list soon as well (no I'm not buying a ZL1)
Also- check out the 5 page "ad" in the middle of motor trend that GM bought... Bunch of idiots
Looks like I'll have a third car from that list soon as well (no I'm not buying a ZL1)
Also- check out the 5 page "ad" in the middle of motor trend that GM bought... Bunch of idiots
you are getting the stupid Merc arent you??!!! :cuss:
I refuse to drive a sports car without a 3rd pedal
ok good....that probably helps explain why they ranked it high...bunch of pussy ass writers makes me sick :xpl:
What's even funnier about this article is that some Denial5 guys were predicting the ZLslo was gonna win.....the Koolaid is strong over there. :bash:
No PDK for you? 7 speed?
Someone could point out that the BRZ is a superior car then...
A magazine picked the BRZ over the zl1 and GT500. You're right,I guess this means the BRZ is a superior car :rockon:
Well they clearly stated its not about numbers. Its about the feel of the car which is subjective. The part i found funny was how more MT editors and Pobst preferred the GT500 over the ZL1 yet it was place behind it. It is what it is and didnt expect things to change from a few months ago... if they did than they would be making themselves look even more idiotic renigging on the choice they previously made.
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