Malaysia Flight Missing
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Yea that part is odd. I wouldn't be surprised if they were the cause. I'm sure it will forever remain a mystery.
SE Iran is not that much farther than Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. Sounds tin foil, but so does everything else with this story.
i was going to post about this earlier today. from the sounds of things the malaysian military isn't being forthright with some information. suddenly today, almost 4 days after, they report that their primary radar tracked it for another 1+ flying in the almost opposite direction. that's something they would have known in the early stages of the search. then a few hours later they come out and deny that? :rollseyes:
couple of things i find interesting:
if it continued on after the u turn- it's not possible for the crew not to be able to report an issue in some way. cell phones, satellite phone which most airlines provide crews...something.
it's possible it could be a situation like Helios flight 522 where the crew and everyone is incapacitated, but that doesn't explain the transponder being off. if it had lost all power, theres no way it can fly that long unassisted
if it was somehow terrorism and the flight was highjacked- again, no cell phone calls from passengers? nothing? it flew for 70 minutes and nothing? no struggle heard from the cockpit? and noone has come forward to claim responsibility? that's not like today's terrorist organizations.
strange indeed.
couple of things i find interesting:
if it continued on after the u turn- it's not possible for the crew not to be able to report an issue in some way. cell phones, satellite phone which most airlines provide crews...something.
it's possible it could be a situation like Helios flight 522 where the crew and everyone is incapacitated, but that doesn't explain the transponder being off. if it had lost all power, theres no way it can fly that long unassisted
if it was somehow terrorism and the flight was highjacked- again, no cell phone calls from passengers? nothing? it flew for 70 minutes and nothing? no struggle heard from the cockpit? and noone has come forward to claim responsibility? that's not like today's terrorist organizations.
strange indeed.
Just thinking outloud here about the possibility of a hijacking. Do Boeing planes sold overseas have re-enforced cockpit doors like in the States after 9-11? Did any airline flying into the US have to be equipped, or just airlines based in the US?
A Malaysian military official told Reuters that they show the plan deviated course and then went off radar, and that the search efforts are in the wrong spot.
The problem is there were no malfunctions and the plane was operating normally. If it took a nosedive or had a malfunction, or was attempted hijacking, you would at least get a mayday. There is none.
Creepier is the face the phones of loved ones are still ringing and not going directly to voice mail.
The problem is there were no malfunctions and the plane was operating normally. If it took a nosedive or had a malfunction, or was attempted hijacking, you would at least get a mayday. There is none.
Creepier is the face the phones of loved ones are still ringing and not going directly to voice mail.
If the phones are ringing and not going straight to voicemail, the cell GPS would be working as well. Anyone with permission would be able to locate them. Even people without permission could do it, ask the NSA.
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Still strange that is just disappeared with no trace, if it was hijacked you think someone would have tried to use the head rest phone. They need to put a panic button on the planes for the crew to hit when in trouble, then make a tracking device that cannot be turned off.
Fact #1: All Boeing 777 commercial jets are equipped with black box recorders that can survive any on-board explosion
No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.
• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean
Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.
• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water
In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."
Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.
• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature
One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.
The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.
• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery
Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.
Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.
• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar
Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).
Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.
The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they've somehow missed all along).
The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the 'net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.
Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.
The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.
If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.
No explosion from the plane itself can destroy the black box recorders. They are bomb-proof structures that hold digital recordings of cockpit conversations as well as detailed flight data and control surface data.
• Fact #2: All black box recorders transmit locator signals for at least 30 days after falling into the ocean
Yet the black box from this particular incident hasn't been detected at all. That's why investigators are having such trouble finding it. Normally, they only need to "home in" on the black box transmitter signal. But in this case, the absence of a signal means the black box itself -- an object designed to survive powerful explosions -- has either vanished, malfunctioned or been obliterated by some powerful force beyond the worst fears of aircraft design engineers.
• Fact #3: Many parts of destroyed aircraft are naturally bouyant and will float in water
In past cases of aircraft destroyed over the ocean or crashing into the ocean, debris has always been spotted floating on the surface of the water. That's because -- as you may recall from the safety briefing you've learned to ignore -- "your seat cushion may be used as a flotation device."
Yes, seat cushions float. So do many other non-metallic aircraft parts. If Flight 370 was brought down by an explosion of some sort, there would be massive debris floating on the ocean, and that debris would not be difficult to spot. The fact that it has not yet been spotted only adds to the mystery of how Flight 370 appears to have literally vanished from the face of the Earth.
• Fact #4: If a missile destroyed Flight 370, the missile would have left a radar signature
One theory currently circulating on the 'net is that a missile brought down the airliner, somehow blasting the aircraft and all its contents to "smithereens" -- which means very tiny pieces of matter that are undetectable as debris.
The problem with this theory is that there exists no known ground-to-air or air-to-air missile with such a capability. All known missiles generate tremendous debris when they explode on target. Both the missile and the debris produce very large radar signatures which would be easily visible to both military vessels and air traffic authorities.
• Fact #5: The location of the aircraft when it vanished is not a mystery
Air traffic controllers have full details of almost exactly where the aircraft was at the moment it vanished. They know the location, elevation and airspeed -- three pieces of information which can readily be used to estimate the likely location of debris.
Remember: air safety investigators are not stupid people. They've seen mid-air explosions before, and they know how debris falls. There is already a substantial data set of airline explosions and crashes from which investigators can make well-educated guesses about where debris should be found. And yet, even armed with all this experience and information, they remain totally baffled on what happened to Flight 370.
• Fact #6: If Flight 370 was hijacked, it would not have vanished from radar
Hijacking an airplane does not cause it to simply vanish from radar. Even if transponders are disabled on the aircraft, ground radar can still readily track the location of the aircraft using so-called "passive" radar (classic ground-based radar systems that emit a signal and monitor its reflection).
Thus, the theory that the flight was hijacked makes no sense whatsoever. When planes are hijacked, they do not magically vanish from radar.
The inescapable conclusion from what we know so far is that Flight 370 seems to have utterly and inexplicably vanished. It clearly was not hijacked (unless there is a cover-up regarding the radar data), and we can all be increasingly confident by the hour that this was not a mid-air explosion (unless debris suddenly turns up that they've somehow missed all along).
The inescapable conclusion is that Flight 370 simply vanished in some way that we do not yet understand. This is what is currently giving rise to all sorts of bizarre-sounding theories across the 'net, including discussions of possible secret military weapons tests, Bermuda Triangle-like ripples in the fabric of spacetime, and even conjecture that non-terrestrial (alien) technology may have teleported the plane away.
Personally, I'm not buying any of that without a lot more evidence. The most likely explanation so far is that the debris simply hasn't been found yet because it fell over an area which is somehow outside the search zone. But as each day goes by, even this explanation becomes harder and harder to swallow.
The frightening part about all this is not that we will find the debris of Flight 370; but rather that we won't. If we never find the debris, it means some entirely new, mysterious and powerful force is at work on our planet which can pluck airplanes out of the sky without leaving behind even a shred of evidence.
If there does exist a weapon with such capabilities, whoever control it already has the ability to dominate all of Earth's nations with a fearsome military weapon of unimaginable power. That thought is a lot more scary than the idea of an aircraft suffering a fatal mechanical failure.
There is no such thing as bomb proof. If you want to erase something from existence it takes 10 pounds of explosives for every pound of material you wish to erase. This also requires an explosive with a detonation velocity greater than or equal to that of TNT.
I still don't think the plane was hit by a missile or blown up by a bomb
I still don't think the plane was hit by a missile or blown up by a bomb
An alternative thought...
I think somebody needed a big plane to load with explosives and topple some tower in that area, so the plane was redirected and flown low to a remote airfield.
From what I've read, modern commercial radars don't do 'skin painting' for flight information (military ones do) they need the flight's transponder to tell the 'radar' about the plane. (Read about it a Clancy book, so it must be true)
That was disabled.
From there what they needed to do would be to avoid military radars until they'd gotten the plane somewhere. (Change course and fly under them)
Of course, it'd be hard to reinsert this (now) weapon into the air traffic, B/C it'd be met by a fighter in better equipped nation states at some point.
But not every nation has fighters sitting around, and response time is also a factor.
What's the most salient feature in that area? Petronis Towers come to mind, but the plane left from there.
Yes, TFH warning, but that's what I see. Until they find wreckage, that is...
I think somebody needed a big plane to load with explosives and topple some tower in that area, so the plane was redirected and flown low to a remote airfield.
From what I've read, modern commercial radars don't do 'skin painting' for flight information (military ones do) they need the flight's transponder to tell the 'radar' about the plane. (Read about it a Clancy book, so it must be true)
That was disabled.
From there what they needed to do would be to avoid military radars until they'd gotten the plane somewhere. (Change course and fly under them)
Of course, it'd be hard to reinsert this (now) weapon into the air traffic, B/C it'd be met by a fighter in better equipped nation states at some point.
But not every nation has fighters sitting around, and response time is also a factor.
What's the most salient feature in that area? Petronis Towers come to mind, but the plane left from there.
Yes, TFH warning, but that's what I see. Until they find wreckage, that is...
Planes, or people for that matter, don't just disappear. If they really wanted to find that plane, it can be found. How many cell phones are on that plane that have GPS?
The whole story sounds fishy to me. Somebody, somewhere knows more about it and aren't saying anything about it.
I believe that plane was taken over, and whoever took it over made sure there was no way it can be tracked.
The whole story sounds fishy to me. Somebody, somewhere knows more about it and aren't saying anything about it.
I believe that plane was taken over, and whoever took it over made sure there was no way it can be tracked.
Based on all the information available, I second this ^.
We are supposedly recieving transmissions from a robot driving around on the surface of mars 30 million miles away but yet at the same time we cant find a jetliner in our own backyard, with 200 people on it and enough electronic gear to give Nikola Tesla himself a hard-on. 
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GPS doesn't work like that, it is receive only on the ground, devices don't transmit anything up to GPS satellites. Phones can only be located using cell towers or GPS info transmitted through a cell network.
CNN and other media are certain an AR15 was used in the disappearance of the flight.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. On behalf of Malaysia Airlines, I'd like to welcome you aboard Flight 370. We're expecting a severe amount of turbulence this afternoon, so please fasten your seatbelt as we embark on a journey to...the twilight zone!"
Seriously though, I'm not one to believe in the stories told on Coast to Coast AM by the tin foil hat crowd, but watching Bermuda Triangle documentaries over the years it seems there is a lot of crazy, unexplained shit that has happened over the ocean over the years - I think I'll just skip my Hawaiian vacation next year.
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Seriously though, I'm not one to believe in the stories told on Coast to Coast AM by the tin foil hat crowd, but watching Bermuda Triangle documentaries over the years it seems there is a lot of crazy, unexplained shit that has happened over the ocean over the years - I think I'll just skip my Hawaiian vacation next year.
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what you did there. i see it.
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