Who cares... I'll donkey **** both of them as will the majority of this board.
Who leaves a mustang stock anyway? :beer:
Who leaves a mustang stock anyway? :beer:
M6 vs 07 Cobra???
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spyder1337 said:
ummmmmmm alot of people :idea:
most of the Mustangs I see are bone stock not even a catback. It seems like I see more people modding V-6ers to look like a GT than actual modded GTs :bash:
BlackCobra96
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I'll tell you, if the new Cobra isn't faster, I'll dump the money into current car.
mc01svt said:
......what planet did you say your from?
.......that's because there are thousands more 17 year old girls who buy them.
Calling a blown 475 hp GT500 1960's technology is a bit of a stretch. So where does your Lightning stand on the technological scale compared to the GT500?
Calling a blown 475 hp GT500 1960's technology is a bit of a stretch. So where does your Lightning stand on the technological scale compared to the GT500?
no shit...
So much drama- off the dealer lot the BMW M6 is a far superior car, absolutly no question about it; we're comparing a $100,000+ BMW to a $40,000 Ford. I've done some lite work on the BMW's and the engineering is superior IMHO, but you definitly pay for it.
Speed-wise: stock, in a straight line, I'd call it even based on what we know of the two cars now. The Beemer has 7-gear SMG & wicked traction control; the Shelby probably has 90-100ft/lbs more torque over a MUCH broader range.
Corner-wise: If the GT500 can kinda, sorta keep up with the M6 I'd be more than happy with the Ford. If the GT500 pulls 1G on the skid pad in stock form, I'd have to fire up some porn and complete the experience.
Mod-wise: This is where the Ford has the definate advantage. Give the aftermarket a few months to extract another 100 rwhp and tighten up the suspension. The M series BMW mods? Ummmm...remove the speed limiter, for maybe $500. If the prices to mod those cars are like the E39 M5, figure $2000 for a carbon fiber CAI, $8,000 for headers, $3000 for new cams.. $2500 for different a rearend..
The fun will be watching Joe Dirt pull up in Domestic iron and lay the smack down on a top of the line German sports car. That doesn't make the Ford a better car, just a much better value for the performance.
Speed-wise: stock, in a straight line, I'd call it even based on what we know of the two cars now. The Beemer has 7-gear SMG & wicked traction control; the Shelby probably has 90-100ft/lbs more torque over a MUCH broader range.
Corner-wise: If the GT500 can kinda, sorta keep up with the M6 I'd be more than happy with the Ford. If the GT500 pulls 1G on the skid pad in stock form, I'd have to fire up some porn and complete the experience.
Mod-wise: This is where the Ford has the definate advantage. Give the aftermarket a few months to extract another 100 rwhp and tighten up the suspension. The M series BMW mods? Ummmm...remove the speed limiter, for maybe $500. If the prices to mod those cars are like the E39 M5, figure $2000 for a carbon fiber CAI, $8,000 for headers, $3000 for new cams.. $2500 for different a rearend..
The fun will be watching Joe Dirt pull up in Domestic iron and lay the smack down on a top of the line German sports car. That doesn't make the Ford a better car, just a much better value for the performance.
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SlowSVT said:
Lightning/GT500 - Overhead cams, 5.4L iron block, eaton supercharger, solid rear axle, >3900lbs :shrug:
you've challenged the wrong mechanical engineer
#1 the roots type blower (eaton) was used on 2-stroke diesels back in the 30s
#2 cast iron blocks are as bout as low-tech as possible. They only used it to be cheap not for it's apparent strength. Z06 = AL block, Viper = AL block, Ford GT = AL block........... just about every high performance car = AL block
#3 solid rear axle (SRA) is inferior to an independent rear suspension in terms of overall handling. Only good for trucks or drag cars. again 60s technology
as for your last comment check the 03 guiness book of world records. THere you will find "SVT lighting, worlds fastest pickup truck" The only record the GT500 will break is "Highest charge over MSRP"
take it how you want it but I've presented you with fact not fiction. Ford is totally ignoring high performance cars right now. The GT is cancelled, SVT has no models and the only reason they are making the GT500 is because they can make a quick buck. Meanwhile the Dodge boys have 7 high performance cars/trucks
What are the 07 cobra hp numbers? Im to lazy to read.
SlowSVT said:......what planet did you say your from?
My '02 GT is stock :shrug:
you guys need to visit other areas of the site, mosto f the gt500 questions your speculating on are already known fact
Nick85 said:
0-62 in 4.6 seconds is Supercar performance? Last I checked, the Terminator when 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds if i'm not mistaken, and I dont think the Cobra is a "Supercar". When you said "the new M6 resets the sports GT benchmark" I hope you werent talking about the Ford GT, because that hits 0-60 a second faster than that M6 (In other words.........Race Over)
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98GMEater said:
They consider anything that's as fast or faster than a C5 Z06 to be a Supercar. I mean, they compared the Terminator to the C5 Z06...
I think there is only one thing to compare which is the original topic and that is stock vs stock speed. I think the launch control will even out the lack of torque and the two cars will be even until around 100mph where M power really shines. Of course and domestic car easily outmods german cars for the most part. Because the technology is far more advanced to improve the technology costs far more money.
I, for one am very dissapointed in BMW's new M line because they were supposed to be something special and intimidate like the old M's back in the day. But they cost way too much to mod and with very limited results to compete in the tuner market. The m6 will very well be able to reach 200 mph because my 00 M5 has reach verified 185 without reaching redline with only 460 hp. These cars are made for high speed cruising not mod after mod after rebuild after rebuild.
BMW's dont count as sports car IMHO (too heavy) nor muscle cars (cant get them fast enough) They are simply high speed cruisers.
I, for one am very dissapointed in BMW's new M line because they were supposed to be something special and intimidate like the old M's back in the day. But they cost way too much to mod and with very limited results to compete in the tuner market. The m6 will very well be able to reach 200 mph because my 00 M5 has reach verified 185 without reaching redline with only 460 hp. These cars are made for high speed cruising not mod after mod after rebuild after rebuild.
BMW's dont count as sports car IMHO (too heavy) nor muscle cars (cant get them fast enough) They are simply high speed cruisers.
mc01svt said:
:read: I'll challenge some of your facts
1) Eaton's proven to provide better bottom end punch, TS better on top
2) Every éxpensive' car has an alum. block as a basis for a 'performance' motor
3) You've driven every SRA car to state this??? Didn't the mustang just win the Trans Am series last year with a SRA vs Bmw and others with IRS ???
4) You're not up to date and have an old Guiness book, the SRT-10 has beaten the L for factory top speed. L did 147, SRT 150 plus mph
..........and as for your Dodge comment...........I won't mention all but c'mon, ugly 300C, a tuner car, a FOUR Door charger??........what a joke!!! Viper is nice but Vette is finally better in perf. figures and better value. Challenger will do well if and when it comes.
So I guess you're disappointed in your L ???
All car makers build cars to make a profit.Why shouldnt ford do the same? Your argument doesnt hold water as you state that the shelby is a step back to the 60s.Later on you mention the SRT8s and imply their superiority but those are all push rods.Me I really only care about results.mc01svt said:
SVT did state that the new cobra will out perform the last one.They "designed" it for that.If it does out perform the old cobra it will be right there with the new M.The new mustang platform is a step up from the last one.Even sitting in a new gt right away you can feel a much more solid car.They fell better than my coup with subframes.Look at what the mags have said about the new saleens.Im sure its safe to say the new saleen E will stand up to a new M,and we all know how the last cobras compaired to the last saleens.The bottom line is that the new shelby will be another incredible bang for the buck,and arguably look just as good (or better) doing it.Thats when you know they did their job.
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