KB vs. Whipple superchargers.

[combatstang]

I would like to see any FACTS from the whipple camp. I only hear words. Show me data.

 

[03Red10th]

Discount for Service Members

BTW, Whipple Superchargers is offering a 5% discount to any servicemen/women. Your support and protection goes above any call of duty, thank you.

Thanks for the support. Both here and in Iraq! We really appreciate all the men and women putting their lives on the line to help protect this great country.

None of us should EVER lose sight of this fact.

To show some appreciation, Jim has decided to give anyone who has served in Iraq a 10% discount off any Kenne Bell product. We want you all to know you deserve all of America's support, and hope you all are safe and return home soon!

BTW: We give a 5% discount to any servicemen / women whether they have served in Iraq or not. The work you do here also deserves our appreciation.

From everyone at Kenne Bell!

Do these discounts apply to Defense Contractors? Since July 2002, I've spent 15 months in several Middle-East Countries supporting the US Military during Operation Enduring Freedom & Operation Iraqi Freedom. I'm going back next weekend for four more months. I'll most likely make several future trips over there as well.

Does this qualify me for the service member discounts?

PLEASE SAY YES

 

[TECH@KB]

Do these discounts apply to Defense Contractors? Since July 2002, I've spent 15 months in several Middle-East Countries supporting the US Military during Operation Enduring Freedom & Operation Iraqi Freedom. I'm going back next weekend for four more months. I'll most likely make several future trips over there as well.

Does this qualify me for the service member discounts?

PLEASE SAY YES

OK, YES!

Regards,

Ken

 

[Wings65288]

yea i would definently like to go a kb vrs. whipple shoot-out, i doubt that would ever actually happen tho.

 

[Whipple Charged]

Do these discounts apply to Defense Contractors? Since July 2002, I've spent 15 months in several Middle-East Countries supporting the US Military during Operation Enduring Freedom & Operation Iraqi Freedom. I'm going back next weekend for four more months. I'll most likely make several future trips over there as well.

Does this qualify me for the service member discounts?

PLEASE SAY YES

Yes, it sure does. :banana:

Thank you,
Dustin Whipple

 

[Whipple Charged]

I would like to see any FACTS from the whipple camp. I only hear words. Show me data.

I would love nothing more than to post the facts but we've never had that practice. If you go back and look at the statements by some vs. the facts that were provided, I think you'll find plenty of misrepresentation on the part of some as well as some odd statements.

I've tried to help guide some and let the consumer know some of the truth. There were 2 initial 3rd party test that did back-to-back comparison's, both were tested with eachother's inlets and eachothers adapters plates. Were very confident in our product after the results. We couldn't mention the names because they didn't want to be "black balled" by other suppliers.

Anybody can skew there numbers whatever way they want, thats not something we practice but some do. When other mfgs post numbers that I KNOW are false, I can either fight it with my own numbers which they will probably say is false or just let it go and let the results speak for themselves. The SC mfg. have also asked that false information be removed and the continued debate stop. As I said in my previous post, I would not continue to reply to KB, there is simply more to the story than I could ever post.

After reading the test info in Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords regarding the stock vs. KB vs. Vortech vs. Turbo, I was shocked that we were not invited to the test, as that would've been an excellent side by side test for everyone to see the test results.

I feel the best people to tell you are the consumers, dealers and tuners who have actually tested both on similar applications and they could tell you the difference between the two. Try Jim @ JDM, Steeda, Jeff @ Bishop, Brian @ SCT, Linn @ AR, Tim @ Razors Edge. Most of these dealers have installed both, have done custom calibrations and know the results of both.

In retrospect, if we believed all the numbers and "facts" some post, then we would all be responding to those emails that keep filling up our boxes for those miracle pills :-D that make your :banana: larger :shrug: Well wait, I'm not the only one getting those am I? :shrug:

Thanks,
Dustin epper:

 

[Wings65288]

well i won't buy either until i see some side by side test on the same car, when it comes summer time and this hasn't been done i may just go for a port

 

[Whipple Charged]

well i won't buy either until i see some side by side test on the same car, when it comes summer time and this hasn't been done i may just go for a port

I completely understand, I'm hoping one of the magazines will do another test. We'll see.

Thanks,
Dustin :banana:

 

[03Red10th]

OK, YES!

Regards,

Ken

Yes, it sure does. :banana:

Thank you,
Dustin Whipple

Thank you both. :beer: I've heard nothing but good things about both products. I'll have to really think about this while I'm over there.

This decision will be a toughy. :-D

 

[Wings65288]

this is a great thread btw, 2 product specialist with great customer service and competiveness, shows a lot about their product just by reading what they have to say

 

[sndmn_2000]

did the actual founders of whipple and kenne bell just had a
fight here?
Holy crap

 

[Steeda30]

You are correct, quite a thread we have here with a debate between some important people. :bowdown:

 

[dgussin1]

did the actual founders of whipple and kenne bell just had a
fight here?
Holy crap

Dustin is not the founder of whipple, his father Art is. Dustin is a 20 something punk that talks trash about his competitors. :rollseyes

Jim Bell, the creator of Kenne Bell has been posting here as well as his second in command Ken Christ.

 

[xtremejc]

Dustin is not the founder of whipple, his father Art is. Dustin is a 20 something punk that talks trash about his competitors. :rollseyes

Jim Bell, the creator of Kenne Bell has been posting here as well as his second in command Ken Christ.

Geez OxfordCobra !!! You wouldn't happen to have a biased opinion, right...

Dustin may be a punk according to you, but he has made some very valid points here...

We all need to be a little more objective rather than being biased against the products we don't own...

 

[Wings65288]

Dustin is not the founder of whipple, his father Art is. Dustin is a 20 something punk that talks trash about his competitors. :rollseyes

whats wrong with a little competitivness =)

 

[dgussin1]

whats wrong with a little competitivness =)

I like their product. Don't get me wrong. I don't like how they (Dustin) makes claims without providing any scientific data to back it up, Kenne Bell shows data. Regardless if it is 100% accurate or not. I don't doubt the honesty, why should they lie to get business? I think the whipple produces great power numbers, but I also think the Kenne bell is made better and from better materials. Thats why I have the originator under my hood. Often immated, never duplicated.

 

[dgussin1]

Geez OxfordCobra !!! You wouldn't happen to have a biased opinion, right...

Dustin may be a punk according to you, but he has made some very valid points here...

We all need to be a little more objective rather than being biased against the products we don't own...

he doesnt post facts. He just downtalks Jim and his company.

 

[FOURCED]

I would like to see any FACTS from the whipple camp. I only hear words. Show me data.

FACT: My 2.3L Whipple bolted on to my car, untuned made 613 rwhp/560 rwtq SAE on a Dynojet with air/fuel ratios in the very low 10's and staying there until the end of the run. This was done on 17 psi... and it holds 17 psi till you let off the throttle.

FACT: My car compared to another local car with 2.2L KB, other mods identical. He runs more boost than I do... his car is tuned. My car still made more horsepower at the wheels than his.

FACT: Old style snout on 2.2L KB's spray oil... these use the 10mm bolt. These bolts on steel pullies (that KB insists you run or they'll void your warranty) will seize up and the head will strip out if you're not careful. My best friend has stripped two bolts in the snout of his. Whipple pullies are easier to change out and do not need a "special tool" to change the pulley. The new snouts use a 12mm bolt so I'm not familiar with them at this point.

What other facts would you like to have?

BTW Dustin... your line of chargers are top notch. Keep up the good work.



Shannon

 

[Whipple Charged]

I like their product. Don't get me wrong. I don't like how they (Dustin) makes claims without providing any scientific data to back it up, Kenne Bell shows data. Regardless if it is 100% accurate or not. I don't doubt the honesty, why should they lie to get business? I think the whipple produces great power numbers, but I also think the Kenne bell is made better and from better materials. Thats why I have the originator under my hood. Often immated, never duplicated.

Oxfordcobra,
In reference to your post, we should try to keep the information straghit. First, Bell is not posting, he's having employee's post for him. Second, I'm 28 years old, little bit older than a punk kid although age should have nothing to do with anything here. I'm also VP of the company, in charge of our entire marine division, R&D, and day to day operation, I do a high majority of our tuning and emissions work, testing, etc. Although I think it's completly irrevalant to post my resume, posting that I'm a punk kid is uninformed and simply ignorant.

Unaccurate data is better than no data? Couldn't agree more, it should show the BS :bs: and whether you should trust the person/information or take it with a grain of salt. All my post have done the same thing, pointing out the inaccuracy of the data given, most should be able to take it for what its worth, not consider it "trash". As I stated before, talk to the ones who have run both, they can give you the best unbiased information. Third, the KB does not have better materials, that's 100% opinion and there is zero factual data that supports anything otherwise. Fourth, better designed, again another opinion that has no factual data. Fifth, Art Whipple brought the screw compressor to the North American aftermarket and supported KB for years, not the other way around. Art Whipple was the originator and has been the leading driving force for years, that is FACT. Whipple has done more for screw compressors in the North American market than anybody else, another fact :thumbsup: .
Thanks :beer:

PS: Fourced, thank you :thumbsup:

 

[Roughneck18]

I like their product. Don't get me wrong. I don't like how they (Dustin) makes claims without providing any scientific data to back it up, Kenne Bell shows data. Regardless if it is 100% accurate or not. I don't doubt the honesty, why should they lie to get business? I think the whipple produces great power numbers, but I also think the Kenne bell is made better and from better materials. Thats why I have the originator under my hood. Often immated, never duplicated.

Did you read this entire thread? I beleive you do not know what you are talking about. Because he is in his 20's makes him a punk. You are plain out a moron for making that statement. oke: