There's a phrase for what this guy did....TOMBSTONE COURAGE
Insane footage (His POV) of a solider taking fire during Taliban firefight.
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Nevermind the right/wrong of what he did for a sec......all those tiny poofs of dust hitting around him have the potential to drop you dead in your tracks. No video game regeneration....DEAD....Game Over.
I let that sink in for a few minutes, and was like holy shit! Just like that, you're life could be over.
I let that sink in for a few minutes, and was like holy shit! Just like that, you're life could be over.
Typical American eh?
Please. Go ahead and let us know what great ethnicity/country you come from. I can not wait to heed your amazing response, oh superior one.:bored:
Ok, really quickly to 1999svt. You're a moron, plain and simple. Since you've never had a bullet snap by your face let me tell you anyone who has only had to listen to the first 10 seconds or so. It's a sound you would never forget. I don't know if you were being a moron on purpose (trolling) or really are that ignorant in real life. I suspect that since you never came back to defend your asinine position you were trolling. Like I said, you're a moron either way.
I've always been hesitant to comment on combat footage or stories of an TIC because it's really easy to play Monday morning QB. Most vids of combat are short snippets of the engagement and are severely lacking in context. In the description it said his squad was providing overwatch on a village when they came under fire. It also is pretty apparent he has no real idea where the enemy is, which is not that uncommon. For you guys that have never been downrange, most TICs you will never see the Taliban. They're very good at key-holing you behind cover. It can be frustrating to say the least. It's why you see a lot of Afghanistan combat footage of guys killing rocks and trees. Since he had no real idea that a PKM (I'm guessing) had him locked in he made a bad call and exposed himself. I'm glad he lived but I'm guessing he learned a real lesson.
I've always been hesitant to comment on combat footage or stories of an TIC because it's really easy to play Monday morning QB. Most vids of combat are short snippets of the engagement and are severely lacking in context. In the description it said his squad was providing overwatch on a village when they came under fire. It also is pretty apparent he has no real idea where the enemy is, which is not that uncommon. For you guys that have never been downrange, most TICs you will never see the Taliban. They're very good at key-holing you behind cover. It can be frustrating to say the least. It's why you see a lot of Afghanistan combat footage of guys killing rocks and trees. Since he had no real idea that a PKM (I'm guessing) had him locked in he made a bad call and exposed himself. I'm glad he lived but I'm guessing he learned a real lesson.
Wow. That guy was brave. He had basically no shelter to hide from bullets.
That right there is yet another reason to respect and honor our guys thats risk their lives for our freedom.
That right there is yet another reason to respect and honor our guys thats risk their lives for our freedom.
Why didn't he just call in his stealth bomber care package and lay down a carpet bomb on them?
Seriously, to the average american what this soldier did was sheer bravery. To the well knowledged war vets, what this guy did was sheer stupidity. It's one thing to throw your body on top of a grenade to save your fellow soldiers, it's a whole different story to just run out IN THE OPEN on the side of a mountain asking for lead to be dumped on you....
Seriously, to the average american what this soldier did was sheer bravery. To the well knowledged war vets, what this guy did was sheer stupidity. It's one thing to throw your body on top of a grenade to save your fellow soldiers, it's a whole different story to just run out IN THE OPEN on the side of a mountain asking for lead to be dumped on you....
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All military have to go through what's called CLS (Combat Life Savers) training before you deploy now. This is to minimize the use of our medic or Corpsman. The training really does help and allows you to know the basics and some advanced EMS type skills.
When I was hit by an IED, My driver, automatically jumped into action to pull me back in the truck and start assessing the situation because of the state of mind I was in.
When being in a fire fight, time stops to be honest. Fear goes out the window as the only thing that matter's is your brother's to the left and right. Their safety is key. What I used to do is when we reached certain locations, in the turret, I would jump up higher to check 5m to 25m around the truck for anything suspicions. After that I would stay high and watch the roof stops, windows, ect as my team would dismount and walk to their location. Point is that I would put myself at risk for the safety of my team and take possible sniper fire away from them. Without thinking, it would come natural to protect my troops.
Now was this soldier off his horse with doing that and leaving high ground... Yes. When he thought he was hit, you can tell that he went into shock because of how he was not focusing on what to do and how he couldn't. When I just watched this video, One of my friends was here (Navy Corpsman Iraq 2003-2005) Even agrred with me that he was in shock for the whole situation. He could not focus on anything at the moment and that's why he kept yelling "i'm hit" Which, I have seen people not able to function correctly once that happens. Hell, many people would freeze once they feel, see, or hear the first shot that was aimed for them. Many people who act tough here in the states would drop to the ground and cry if that situation happened. But because of that, that's why I and other will go so not everyone has to. Nothing wrong with that at all either.
In the end, I view this guy as a fellow brother. He may have made some mistakes but my view on the end result is to get him to safety as well as the other Soldiers.
When I was hit by an IED, My driver, automatically jumped into action to pull me back in the truck and start assessing the situation because of the state of mind I was in.
When being in a fire fight, time stops to be honest. Fear goes out the window as the only thing that matter's is your brother's to the left and right. Their safety is key. What I used to do is when we reached certain locations, in the turret, I would jump up higher to check 5m to 25m around the truck for anything suspicions. After that I would stay high and watch the roof stops, windows, ect as my team would dismount and walk to their location. Point is that I would put myself at risk for the safety of my team and take possible sniper fire away from them. Without thinking, it would come natural to protect my troops.
Now was this soldier off his horse with doing that and leaving high ground... Yes. When he thought he was hit, you can tell that he went into shock because of how he was not focusing on what to do and how he couldn't. When I just watched this video, One of my friends was here (Navy Corpsman Iraq 2003-2005) Even agrred with me that he was in shock for the whole situation. He could not focus on anything at the moment and that's why he kept yelling "i'm hit" Which, I have seen people not able to function correctly once that happens. Hell, many people would freeze once they feel, see, or hear the first shot that was aimed for them. Many people who act tough here in the states would drop to the ground and cry if that situation happened. But because of that, that's why I and other will go so not everyone has to. Nothing wrong with that at all either.
In the end, I view this guy as a fellow brother. He may have made some mistakes but my view on the end result is to get him to safety as well as the other Soldiers.
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Thank you...
Unfortunately I have had to learn this knowlodge the hard way. The Invasion of Iraq and the years afterwards multiple deployments to Iraq and operating in South America/South Com Region have taught me some lessons about combat. At different points in my career I have worked for SOTG Forward and 1st Force.... which afforded me and guys in my team the opportunity to go to allot of schools that most 0311s (Infantry Man) wouldn't get to go to and work with some highly trained people....
I am going on the record and saying that I am NOT an SF Operator or pretending to be one, just worked with them...
Also I'm sorry that I picked this video of this young man apart, even though it was my intent to do so I don't want to come across as a Monday QB. Some of my team mates and I have made similar mistakes...
Also we use to get a ton of these videos to determine the does and dont's and then develop into training aids to teach Marines...
Thank You again....:coolman:
Certain ROE prevent this.
May you please explain?
Rules of engagement.
They change all the time for the better or for the worse. There is also the consideration of collateral damage. Its hard to tell in this video but if there are civilians on the battle field ie a small village close by then close air support by fixed wing is most likely going to be off the table. Maybe rotary(helicopters) close air support can be used.
This also depends on the leadership decisions. If they got out of that area but were unable to confirm enemy location, numbers, fortification and civilians on the battle field then don't expect any CAS. We cant send birds out to spray blind.
We don't know all the details just based on this POV video of just one soldier. I will say as a squad leader that if he was one of my guys I would be freaking the **** out. Some corrective training is in order. I'm just glad no one was killed and he and the rest of the platoon can learn a lot from this video.
Took many videos in Afghanistan, yet never felt the need to post them to YouTube for internet fame...
I almost want to throw the OPSEC card, but since he didn't follow any of the Army tactics (from what I read, I'm AF) I guess its good to go. At least you know he doesn't camp on COD
I almost want to throw the OPSEC card, but since he didn't follow any of the Army tactics (from what I read, I'm AF) I guess its good to go. At least you know he doesn't camp on COD
right or wrong, he's got bigger stones than me. many forget just how young some of these guys are. i look back at some of the decisions i made in my late teens and 20's, and realize just how dumb/immature i was at that age. very easy to make the wrong decision when faced with a stressful situation. easy to play armchair quarterback here, but i thank him for his service.
This.
All he did was place himself at substantial risk because he didn't THINK before he moved (especially considering it appears he had no reason to move in the first place and he was holding the key terrain feature!). There are situations where rational thought goes out the window but this was not one of them. Further, by doing what he did, he risked the safety of his team. Having to come out from behind cover to help him out places everyone at risk.
Those guys were shooting at him from a distance and he was behind cover initially. No one else appeared to be below that line so there was zero reason to expose himself. No mortar or rocket fire to be seen. Just SAF. Who ****ing cares about that. Let them pop rounds from below all day long...while another squad moves in on their flank or AS is called in to do some extermination runs. Simple.
Becoming a bullet magnet for no reason at all is not heroic...its idiotic
Hopefully he learned something from watching this video. Just my .02.
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Oh. Well maybe if I played video games I would have caught that.
Dipshit
stupid decision in my eyes, it really seemed as if he didn't know where the shooter was. your life is not worth being a hero in that givin situation
+1, I didn't want to be the first one to say it but what this guy did was not smart at all. Bad tactics displayed in this video.
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