If you are going to imply I am incorrect, be able to prove it. Here in PA the requirements are weak whether speaking of a state or local cop. Do you want me to prove you wrong?
American Cops Killed More People in March than UK During Entire 20th Century
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If you are going to imply I am incorrect, be able to prove it. Here in PA the requirements are weak whether speaking of a state or local cop. Do you want me to prove you wrong?
Tell me how running away is bad decision being made TOWARD the officer.
Tell me how laying face down on the ground with your hands behind your back is a bad decision toward the officer.
I'm so ****ing tired of the "just comply" excuse.
Certain situations may require a stronger response, but the problem is the police are starting to treat EVERY situation as if it requires a militarized response. They've become FAR too aggressive in their day-to-day dealings with citizens.
You don't need 12 heavily armed cops in battle gear driving a MRAPs to kick down a person's door in the middle of the night because they might have a bag of weed.
It's gotten totally out of control and the US is becoming a totalitarian police state. It has to stop.
What happened to the old days where Roscoe Coletrain would shoot his pistol in the air and yell "Freeze"! LOL!
The SC incident was such a low level offense that it should have never escalated to where it did. They had his car, his friend, his ID etc... They could have investigated it further without deadly force. Shooting him in the back as he ran away was definitely not the right thing to do.
This case shares nothing in common with the Ferguson situation. That case there was a more serious issue and an advance on the officer was happening in that altercation. In any case where someone is trying to escape, flee, back off, or is not advancing with deadly force there should not be shots fired. If there is room for the officer to escape the situation and regroup it should be done. If there is room to talk and negotiate that should be done. Deadly force should only be used as a last resort.
There are just too many cases nowadays where the cops are trigger happy and are really starting to use the "in fear of my life" a bit too much. Cops of yesteryear definitely did not act like this and had a different rapport with citizens.
I agree that every and all police department should have mandatory body cameras that cannot be disabled. With the wireless technology we now have there could be live streaming to dispatch or headquarters of all officers whereabouts and situations. It would keep cops honest and make prosecutors jobs easier to nail the criminals. If they have nothing to hide and are honest in their job, there should be no problem.
The SC incident was such a low level offense that it should have never escalated to where it did. They had his car, his friend, his ID etc... They could have investigated it further without deadly force. Shooting him in the back as he ran away was definitely not the right thing to do.
This case shares nothing in common with the Ferguson situation. That case there was a more serious issue and an advance on the officer was happening in that altercation. In any case where someone is trying to escape, flee, back off, or is not advancing with deadly force there should not be shots fired. If there is room for the officer to escape the situation and regroup it should be done. If there is room to talk and negotiate that should be done. Deadly force should only be used as a last resort.
There are just too many cases nowadays where the cops are trigger happy and are really starting to use the "in fear of my life" a bit too much. Cops of yesteryear definitely did not act like this and had a different rapport with citizens.
I agree that every and all police department should have mandatory body cameras that cannot be disabled. With the wireless technology we now have there could be live streaming to dispatch or headquarters of all officers whereabouts and situations. It would keep cops honest and make prosecutors jobs easier to nail the criminals. If they have nothing to hide and are honest in their job, there should be no problem.
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Don't comply or kiss the shoes of the gestapo members and your ass is off to the Concentration Camp or the coffin.
Yet, thousands and thousands of people from all over the world apply for U.S. citizenship yearly.
Cops are shell shocked dude..PTSD just isn't with the troops coming from overseas.
This is what first hand experience with violence does to humans.
Lets face it we all aren't built the same...
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What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? People want citizenship and that somehow means the cops are moral and upstanding?
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This is a terrible example to use for your argument...he literally turned himself in with his hands on his car and was 100% compliant per the arresting officer. If he would've had a gun in his hand or motioned towards one, or acted aggressively in any manner, don't you think he would've been blown away?
By me pointing this out don't think I'm trying to say that Walter Scott shouldn't have been shot 8 times in the back.
Can't argue with any of this. Unfortunately, there is never enough training to prepare you for high adrenaline incidents where cops can do stupid things and make horrible judgement calls. They are human, and some things you just can't prepare for. Some are trigger happy, and some are just plain evil. Just like in any group. For the most part though, i trust police and military more than I would any other group on this planet. Even over religious figures.
Love when these type of articles come out and people get all worked up. Why would you compare us to other countries stats, when it can never be apple to apples comparison and numbers are always skewed. Piers Morgan thrived on this and will cherry pick stats instead of evaluating everything as a whole. Anyone with any sense knows not to, because then you lose shock factor of one specific stat.
Piers was notorious for quoting gun deaths but turned a blind eye to all other forms of murder and crime because suddenly it wouldn't look so bad. These crap comparisons need to stop since you can't compare places with different cultures, history and demographics.
But since we're playing the stat game...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
Piers was notorious for quoting gun deaths but turned a blind eye to all other forms of murder and crime because suddenly it wouldn't look so bad. These crap comparisons need to stop since you can't compare places with different cultures, history and demographics.
But since we're playing the stat game...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html
I'm having a hard time believing the numbers listed for the uk. First how good was the reporting 100 years ago? Also I believe the police would have been involved in the conflict with Ireland surely there would have been some killings there. I did not get s chance to read the whole thing but maybe I could belive it more if it was only firearm.
As for listing China that's just a joke. That makes me question the credibility of the artical.
As for listing China that's just a joke. That makes me question the credibility of the artical.
So if they brought UK LE here would they kill the same rate of people and how many of them would be sent home in a box. It is easy to run your mouth from across the Atlantic.
How about we out source the LE duties to bobbies in Chicago. I bet they pass on the opportunity..
How about we out source the LE duties to bobbies in Chicago. I bet they pass on the opportunity..
In 2014 126 American Officers were killed in the line of duty, 47 by gunfire. The last time a British Cop was shot to death in the line of duty was 2012. I'm not American but anyone can see that the stats in the article are quite meaningless without some context.
I'm commenting because
I spent a few years living in the UK
The article is flawed anyways.
Carry on
I spent a few years living in the UK
The article is flawed anyways.
Carry on
EXACTLY. Mother****ers would think twice if they had harsh punishment. But NOPE.....murder someone and get 5 years for it. It's sickening.
What? How can that be? A gun control country with a worse violent crime rate than the oh so terrible US?
Hmm...maybe a armed population and "violent" police have something to do with it?
I'm pretty sure there was an 8 year period in our history where the wonderful UK murdered 6,800 Americans while oppressing them and unlawfully billeted King George III's red coated "cops" in their homes and caused all sorts of mayhem.
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You shut up with your facts, we're trying to railroad an entire profession here.
They're so classy we drafted up a little thing called the Declaration of Independence to honor them. :lol:
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