04 cobra vs. 04 mach 1

[Grey03Cobra]

Grey, you went with the 3.25 upper right? Curious.

Cheers.

No, I have a 3.00 upper. I plan on buying the 3.25 when I get home to bring the boost down to 15psi. Right now I'm at 17psi, and my tires spin too much on the surface streets (streets in Vegas suck, they are slippery for some reason).

I figure when I take the car to the track I can swap pulleys, change tunes (once I get back I'm buying a Anderson Motorsports PMS), and go.

 

[terrible one]

i guess no one read his sig "600rwhp".....
and i dont recall anyone saying mach1s are slow....
nice cars, nice run.
JD

 

[Grey03Cobra]

Blaaahahaha... Your prices are way off. :lol: It's not good to try and compare prices sometimes.

I know where an 03 Cobra was sold for $22,500. Had 467/481 to the wheels. He had to get rid of it due to insurance and payments, just picked up a house.

Grey, I spent over $18K in my GT and some of your prices are a little off. Least what I got everything for. And no, I didn't spend all that for a 12.3, that only took a few grand.

Cheers.

Yea, it's easy to get different prices at different places. I figured I was being generous with my pricing. I know a set of forged connecting rods will run around $600, and I paid a little over $600 for my JE pistons and rings.

All of our bolts are stretch to yield, so they all need to be replaced, as well as gaskets.

Getting the block bored/honed .020 with torque plates cost me something like $250 (I think, I don't remember).

All I know is it cost me quite a bit to swap out my pistons (around $3,000 to have my engine pulled, torn down, and rebuilt and put back in).

I also bought a new flywheel and Spec 3 clutch, so the whole rotating assembly had to be balanced with the new flywheel.

Luckily my bearings were all good, so they didn't need to be replaced.

All I know is it ended up costing me around $5,000 for the parts and labor, and another $3100 for the Whipple, $600 for the 55lb/hr injectors, around $230 for my BAP, $90 for my 3.00 pulley, $130 for my tensioner, $275 for my MAF.

Damn it adds up (I better not let my wife see this ).

 

[wurd2]

He posted that he could buy a Mach, and supercharge it and save money over buying a Cobra.

Here's my original statement:

Keep in mind that the Cobra is generally 10k more expensive. If you were to buy a Mach1 and pour 10k in mods into it, the tables might be turned in favor of the Mach1. If someone wants to give me 10k, I'd be happy to provide some proof of this claim!

I didn't mention anything about a supercharger or saving money. I only wanted to say that the race might be closer with an improved Mach1. There is a dude over at Mach-1.org with a N/A Mach1 running in the high 11's. I'm pretty sure that Mach1 will give a stock Cobra a run for its money, maybe not from a roll, but from a dig.

And by the way, the prices you quoted for those parts are a bit high in my opinion. I'm considering a Tremec TKO 500 transmission for $1600. I think you quoted about $4000 for a transmission.

And I still don't see anything wrong with saying that a Cobra is generally 10k more than a Mach1.

 

[Grey03Cobra]

Here's my original statement:

Keep in mind that the Cobra is generally 10k more expensive. If you were to buy a Mach1 and pour 10k in mods into it, the tables might be turned in favor of the Mach1. If someone wants to give me 10k, I'd be happy to provide some proof of this claim!

I didn't mention anything about a supercharger or saving money. I only wanted to say that the race might be closer with an improved Mach1. There is a dude over at Mach-1.org with a N/A Mach1 running in the high 11's. I'm pretty sure that Mach1 will give a stock Cobra a run for its money, maybe not from a roll, but from a dig.

And by the way, the prices you quoted for those parts are a bit high in my opinion. I'm considering a Tremec TKO 500 transmission for $1600. I think you quoted about $4000 for a transmission.

And I still don't see anything wrong with saying that a Cobra is generally 10k more than a Mach1.

Nevermind, lets just drop it already.


Nice kill on the Mach1 :thumbsup:

 

[wurd2]

Nevermind, lets just drop it already.

Agreed. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just debating.

Nice kill on the Mach1 :thumbsup:

Poor Mach1. I'm not sure if that was nice (or fair), but it was definitely a kill!

 

[Almo]

Yea, it's easy to get different prices at different places. I figured I was being generous with my pricing. I know a set of forged connecting rods will run around $600, and I paid a little over $600 for my JE pistons and rings.

All of our bolts are stretch to yield, so they all need to be replaced, as well as gaskets.

Getting the block bored/honed .020 with torque plates cost me something like $250 (I think, I don't remember).

All I know is it cost me quite a bit to swap out my pistons (around $3,000 to have my engine pulled, torn down, and rebuilt and put back in).

I also bought a new flywheel and Spec 3 clutch, so the whole rotating assembly had to be balanced with the new flywheel.

Luckily my bearings were all good, so they didn't need to be replaced.

All I know is it ended up costing me around $5,000 for the parts and labor, and another $3100 for the Whipple, $600 for the 55lb/hr injectors, around $230 for my BAP, $90 for my 3.00 pulley, $130 for my tensioner, $275 for my MAF.

Damn it adds up (I better not let my wife see this ).

I was mainly messing with you. oke: :-D I got lucky with a few hook ups on some parts and my cost ended up being very low on a few things.

Yes, you are telling me, it has added up very quick. And it will continue to add up for a little longer.

:beer:

 

[Grey03Cobra]

Agreed. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just debating.!

:beer:

Poor Mach1. I'm not sure if that was nice (or fair), but it was definitely a kill!

I agree, that Cobra was modded.

 

[wurd2]

I agree, that Cobra was modded.

Aye, so is your Cobra. Good lord. You must have a ton of money and time in that car. I'd be scared to drive it, only when I'm not actually driving it though.

I normally don't care for big wings like that, but yours fits your car very well. And the matching paint job on the wing sure makes it look good.

Nice car man. Go make us some videos, but don't pick on Mach1's.

 

[ScottsMach03]

Beatngu, theres no such thing as "trapping" on the street. A street race is a street race. No times, no traps. And your right, a pullied cobra would waste a mach. Thats not what im saying. Your talking like machs are weak, and there easy. Anything can happen on the street. Ive seen modded vipers get smoked by slightly modded fox's. Amazing what you can do when you power shift.

 

[Nobody]

Beatngu, theres no such thing as "trapping" on the street. A street race is a street race. No times, no traps. And your right, a pullied cobra would waste a mach. Thats not what im saying. Your talking like machs are weak, and there easy. Anything can happen on the street. Ive seen modded vipers get smoked by slightly modded fox's. Amazing what you can do when you power shift.

Yea.... or double cluth?

Too bad if this argument was an LS1 vs Cobra all the Mach owners would say that the Cobra would blow it out of the water....

 

[aoc racer]

Man, someone got burned!! :kaboom:

 

[raiders03]

As a Mach1 owner, I'm afraid I have to defend the reputation of these cars. There is something not quite right with this video. Either the driver of the Mach1 doesn't understand "power range" or Justin's Cobra is far from stock, or maybe both cases are true.

I realize that stock for stock the Cobra is faster, but Mach1's are not as slow as the video might suggest. I made a few speedometer videos to try and document the performance of a lightly modded Mach1. I offer these videos as evidence for my case:

http://www.eleventeen.net/webpage/videos/Mach1-00to70.mpeg
http://www.eleventeen.net/webpage/videos/Mach1-25to95.mpeg

Keep in mind that the Cobra is generally 10k more expensive. If you were to buy a Mach1 and pour 10k in mods into it, the tables might be turned in favor of the Mach1. If someone wants to give me 10k, I'd be happy to provide some proof of this claim!

A Cobra is only about 4K more then a Mach.

 

[Justin Blake]

I had no idea this thread would blow up like this, it was supposed to be a fun thread for people to watch. Oh well

 

[Machinator]

Why would the MACH look silly on the street? Look at the trap speeds, a full exhaust/intake/pulley's/chip, MACH still can not trap as high as a stock Cobra.

Alright wise guy get good info before you talk my 4.10's, xpipe, chip, and catback mach walks stock cobras like its cool, oh yeah through in a cold air kit for me to but still that is mostly stock and remember I dont have the benefit of a factory supercharger.

 

[SinisterX]

Why would the MACH look silly on the street? Look at the trap speeds, a full exhaust/intake/pulley's/chip, MACH still can not trap as high as a stock Cobra.

Alright wise guy get good info before you talk my 4.10's, xpipe, chip, and catback mach walks stock cobras like its cool, oh yeah through in a cold air kit for me to but still that is mostly stock and remember I dont have the benefit of a factory supercharger.

Get good info?
My ass, your modded MACH still couldn't trap as high as a stock Cobra. You have a solid axle so you have an advantage at the track for good et's. Ill give you the benefit of the doubt and say you will pull a Cobra out of the hole. But you know damn well the Snake will be realing you in like a sunfish. So you can be that guy who slams his breaks on right before you get passed and claim a kill.
What ever mod you can do to your car it will make a bigger difference on a Cobra.

 

[kilroy]

don't think so

Put a stock mach1 and cobra side by side and someone may be surprised!

The better test would be from a stand still. Like a 1/4 mile run.

Like a 5-6 car length win for the cobra. No surprise there...

 

[PiMpOnAnR1]

I have to agree with you on the vid. Something is not right. I could see a KB or Whippled Cobra pulling like that, but not a stock or pullied one.




Cobra owners hate this statement more than any other IMO. So, for 10 grand you are going to put in a T-56 tranny/clutch and flywheel, pull your engine and replace the internals with some Manley H-beam rods, ARP bolts, dished forged pistons, Cometic MLS gaskets, put the engine back together and put it back into the car. Then you are going to buy a SC and install it, beef up the fuel system (injectors/pumps), and tune the whole thing??

First off, there is not a $10,000 price diff:

Mach runs around $28,000
A Cobra runs about $36,000

That is an $8,000 difference

Lets see:

Tranny: Around $2600
SC: Around $3500 More if you want an aftercooler
forged internals/gaskets: Around $1200
engine pull/machine work Around $4000 We are already past $10,000
Clutch/flywheel Around $600
Injectors/Pumps Around $600
Tune Around $200

We are at $12,700 right now. But I haven't included the cost of replacing all the fluids, labor for most of the work, etc. (That is $4700 over the price of a the Cobra)

$12,700 plus the $28,000 for the mach is $40,700. Enough to buy a Cobra, KB and supporting mods and push over 600rwhp.

hmmm..... 12,700$ i begg to differ but rather buy a procharger for the mach and make 500hp and have a solid axle which the cobra would have ot buy or else it will have to break those half shafts everytime, i mean dont get me wrong the both cars are great i think that teh mach 1 is great for teh 32v engine and the solid rear has potential teh cobra its wonderful comes with teh blower only drawback is the cost and the IRS othe rthen that i think both cars are equel :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

 

[o3SnakeBite]

I almost bought a MACH before i got my cobra.... But i knew that sence I am a power hungry kind of guy, the cobra was the right choice. My cobra trapped 113 with intake and exhaust... I dont think a MACh can do that? Plus now with the pulley I am over 118 and thats the kind of power I was looking for with my car. I woudl have needed to do alot to the mach to get that kind of power out of it.... Although they are awesome cars when compared to other GT/saleen/roush cars performance wise

 

[PiMpOnAnR1]

true a cobra is a monster but as a money question the mach could get faster for less money remember the price of a cobra is alot higher to start with so that is alot of mods on a mach you know :banana: