well...kev. you might be right. but around here the wife says i can have all the mustang i want, but i am not allowed any corvette. so.....
03-04 cobra vs. C6 Z06 on road course
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well...kev. you might be right. but around here the wife says i can have all the mustang i want, but i am not allowed any corvette. so.....
Funny quip for you, Rob. My wife says all Corvette owners are @$$holes. I bought this Z06 to prove her CORRECT. LOL!!!!
I do miss my 99 sometimes. I drove our 01 vert around yesterday a bit. Nothing like the top down at six thousand rpms in second gear and the Magnapipes making a ruckus. I had to shed some of my "vette a-hole pompousness" and trade it for "disrespectful stang redneck" for about thirty minutes.
I do miss my 99 sometimes. I drove our 01 vert around yesterday a bit. Nothing like the top down at six thousand rpms in second gear and the Magnapipes making a ruckus. I had to shed some of my "vette a-hole pompousness" and trade it for "disrespectful stang redneck" for about thirty minutes.
my current mustang hobby is a result of my wife rejecting a 95 ZR1 that i wanted to buy. that had followed my purchase of my last new car, 2001 Honda S2000 where we test drove the Honda, the Audi TT, the Boxter S, and the Z06. She told me I could buy one if it was the Honda or the TT. She wouldnt allow me to drive up to her parents house in a P car or a vette. She said nobody she knew would know what the TT was, but prefered I buy the Honda. Afterall, its just a Honda.
honestly, i am going to try and get some laps in a Focus ST-R and see what that i like. I bet they are going to be a riot.
The Focus ST-R or one of the hopped up Fiesta's (if they ever make it to this shore) would be a blast!!
I know I've been impressed with the new Boss mustangs that's been playing in ST2 this year (DeSalvo, Martin, and a couple others) and they are quite fast. They are doing it running heavier and less wide of tires than what I've been running this year. Good drivers no doubt... but the car gets it done.
I was running low 1:35's in the last Road Atlanta race and I'm sure there's more there than what I've been able to find so far. But until someone can put a Boss into the 1:27's or 1:28's like the way Danny Popp did this past Decemeber... I still favor the vette in ST2 :coolman:
And remember, Danny (along with Reese Cox) pretty much owned the street car group at UTCC. But it's still amazing what Ford, and good drivers, have done with a solid axle. :rockon:
Very interesting discussion. I am new to this forum, but I also have a pretty in depth experience with both the Z06 and the GT500.
I have a 2009 Z06, stock power, but upgraded rotors, pads, cooling ducts, track alignment, corner weighted, and Hoosiers.
I also have a 2007 GT500 that I purchased for the track, and it had about $10K in mods when I bought it. After my first track week-end, I had to upgrade the cooling system. After the second week-end I cooked the brakes, and upgraded to DBA rotors and Hawk pads. At 525 RWHP, it is still no match for the Z06. At least 3 seconds slower at VIR.
The GT500 (stock) is 660 lbs heavier (3920) than the Z06 (3260), the aerodynamics is inferior, the front / rear weight distribution (58% / 42%) is not as good as the Z06 (50/50), and the Z06 has a better suspension. Not a fair fight at all.
With that said, the Z06 is also $25-30K more expensive.
My goal is to make my GT500 run equal to the Z06. My winter project is to reduce the GT500 weight by 500 lbs, add a 10% overdrive pulley (3-4 lbs. of boost) and long tube headers, which should get it close to 600 RWHP after a re-tune, add a new suspension set-up (coilovers, watts link, etc.) and lighter wheels. Estimated cost of $10-12K. All that just to run even with the Z06.
I am also an instructor for NASA and three other groups, so I feel qualified to make a fair comparison.
Don't get me wrong, I love both the GT500 and Z06. I have actually learned a lot more about the GT500 and how to deal with the challenge of running with the Z06. They are both a blast to drive, but you just can't beat an "out of the box" Z06 for the track.
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I have a 2009 Z06, stock power, but upgraded rotors, pads, cooling ducts, track alignment, corner weighted, and Hoosiers.
I also have a 2007 GT500 that I purchased for the track, and it had about $10K in mods when I bought it. After my first track week-end, I had to upgrade the cooling system. After the second week-end I cooked the brakes, and upgraded to DBA rotors and Hawk pads. At 525 RWHP, it is still no match for the Z06. At least 3 seconds slower at VIR.
The GT500 (stock) is 660 lbs heavier (3920) than the Z06 (3260), the aerodynamics is inferior, the front / rear weight distribution (58% / 42%) is not as good as the Z06 (50/50), and the Z06 has a better suspension. Not a fair fight at all.
With that said, the Z06 is also $25-30K more expensive.
My goal is to make my GT500 run equal to the Z06. My winter project is to reduce the GT500 weight by 500 lbs, add a 10% overdrive pulley (3-4 lbs. of boost) and long tube headers, which should get it close to 600 RWHP after a re-tune, add a new suspension set-up (coilovers, watts link, etc.) and lighter wheels. Estimated cost of $10-12K. All that just to run even with the Z06.
I am also an instructor for NASA and three other groups, so I feel qualified to make a fair comparison.
Don't get me wrong, I love both the GT500 and Z06. I have actually learned a lot more about the GT500 and how to deal with the challenge of running with the Z06. They are both a blast to drive, but you just can't beat an "out of the box" Z06 for the track.
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Good comparison. And welcome to the forum.
A driver in the Cobra and a rookie in the Vette...
Not only did I hang... I got the coveted "POINT BY"!!!!! The guy just bought the car though... he was still learning it..... Trust me they are BEASTS!!!!
Jeez you got some body roll going on ... Lol
I understand the concept of a mustang on the competition stand point to beat or run down a corvette but there's one thing to keep in mind...... Mustang is a great American sedan
Corvette is a great American SPORTS car
Corvette is a great American SPORTS car
At almost every other event we see a C6ZO6 blow-up so you cannot beat on them very long.
Engine and heat exchanger cooling will need to be taken care of before you run hard in the summer months. I am able to run hard in 105* temps and not go into limp mode.
^^^^ I know a couple of guys that have c5 and c6 Z06 and have been driving for a long time with no failures .... They do advise to add an extra quart of oil when driving the car around the track .... I've heard about lsx motors going bye bye at the track due to oil starvation
I recently had a taste of going up against some c6 Z06's at the last NorCal Shelby club event I ran at Sonoma raceway. They were freakin fast! There was a group of them that came out to play...and that they did! They were out there passing up almost everyone in my group! I'm definitely not the fastest, but I'm not slow, especially at this track, and these guys were passing me up like I was stopped. They're incredible cars for sure! Mind you, my stock 98 cobra motor only has about 260 rwhp so I knew they'd eventually get me, but I didn't think it'd be that quick haha!
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Three friends in the last 6 months had engines replaced. I have seen others but don't know the people.
Just read the top threads in the post below.
C6 Z06 Discussion - Corvette Forum
Just read the top threads in the post below.
C6 Z06 Discussion - Corvette Forum
It's sounds like their dumping valves .. There titanium sodium filled exhaust valves and I guess there failure rate is pretty high especially in higher mileage motors ... Sounds expensive to repair. I still want one lol
The last time we got a crate engine (3 years ago) it cost $13,000.00 which was a deal at the time.
^^^ I heard the relief for that is stainless steel exhaust valves and better dual valve springs also the 2009 oil pan for more oil circulation
One would think that if you spend that kind of cash on a track oriented car such as the zo6 you wouldn't have spend additional $$$ to make sure it doesn't blow up and cost you 13g's for a new engine. That right there would turn me towards a c5 zo6 just for piece of mind.
There is not much defense for a mechanical over rev on a C6 Z06 that is going to appear reasonably priced to every day joes.
This accounts for a significant portion of the failures from what I have heard in the last year or so.
The early car's oil starvation thing was fairly easily resolved.
The Boss 302 does not like over revs or bouncing off the rev limiter either but they are quite a bit more tolerant to that activity than the 7 liter Chevys, who's Piston speeds are approaching F1 engine piston speeds.
This accounts for a significant portion of the failures from what I have heard in the last year or so.
The early car's oil starvation thing was fairly easily resolved.
The Boss 302 does not like over revs or bouncing off the rev limiter either but they are quite a bit more tolerant to that activity than the 7 liter Chevys, who's Piston speeds are approaching F1 engine piston speeds.
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