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thomas91169 said:
I ****ing hate Alec but I fail to see how this is his fault unless they're between scenes and he knew the gun was loaded with a live round and was waving it around. If he's shooting a scene that requires shooting towards camera and obviously the crew is that same direction it's definitely not his fault.

Prop guy is at fault here. There's no reason a real round should be near the set. The latest I saw was they have confirmed it was a live round and not a blank mishap (like has happened before) and the one round went through the girl that died and into the director, so whatever it was its a decently powerful round.

If you're an actor given a prop gun as you have been your entire acting career, you're not under any obligation to assume it's anything but fake and/or loaded with blanks. I can assure you even Keanu doesn't check prop guns on set for live rounds and he's probably the best most legit gun person in Hollywood. This is their job to act and do make believe, and it's the job of prop guys to provide fake firearms and blanks and oversee the safe use of said firearms.

I feel pretty bad for the dude, thats gonna stick with him for a while. Memes are on fire though.
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He’s in the hot seat because he’s also a co-producer , not just an actor and therefore responsible for safety on the set. I doubt he faces any criminal charges, but he’s going to get his ass sued off in civil court. Most armorers load the weapon with blanks in front of the actor , instruct them in handling the weapon. This didn’t happen, definitely **** ups at all levels. He’s going to have to live with this, if he can.
 
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thomas91169 said:
I ****ing hate Alec but I fail to see how this is his fault unless they're between scenes and he knew the gun was loaded with a live round and was waving it around. If he's shooting a scene that requires shooting towards camera and obviously the crew is that same direction it's definitely not his fault.

Prop guy is at fault here. There's no reason a real round should be near the set. The latest I saw was they have confirmed it was a live round and not a blank mishap (like has happened before) and the one round went through the girl that died and into the director, so whatever it was its a decently powerful round.

If you're an actor given a prop gun as you have been your entire acting career, you're not under any obligation to assume it's anything but fake and/or loaded with blanks. I can assure you even Keanu doesn't check prop guns on set for live rounds and he's probably the best most legit gun person in Hollywood. This is their job to act and do make believe, and it's the job of prop guys to provide fake firearms and blanks and oversee the safe use of said firearms.

I feel pretty bad for the dude, thats gonna stick with him for a while. Memes are on fire though.
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You just expressed what I intended to say. Ya, Alec is a liberal, gun hating douche but does anyone think he had even the most remote intention to kill some random production staff woman on the set of a movie? Even if he was a waving the gun around and pulling the trigger blindly, he would still have a legal belief it was of no danger to anyone.

Most of us had play guns as kids, it's not MUCH different than that.

Otherwise there could be some question about what he was instructed to do with said firearm.

I can't blame him for any intentional act if he was just the guy using the prop firearm
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Boys ever heard of negligent Homicide?
 
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I can't think of a single reason why live ammunition is ever needed on a movie set! EVER! Anyone handling firearms...knows live from blank ammunition and the live rounds in my opinion was intentionally put in that gun...The question of course is by who? The armorer, producers, all negligent- but whoever put the live rounds in--- intentionally did so...looks like homicide to me as death is a forseeable consequence. I agree with above poster..check the shell casings for prints..but I suspect they have been wiped clean by now.
 
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I remember when Brandon Lee, Bruce Lee's sons life was cut short by the same circumstance.

After that the rules of safety were addressed and not pointing a weapon at a person EVER was to be the actors responsibility. AB was one of the producers. He's not out of the woods yet. It's going to cost him, you can bank on that.
 
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The director on a movie back in 2014 got charged with that or manslaughter when one of the crew was killed by a train colliding with equipment… ended up with like 5-10 years of parole.
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I remember that well- it occurred here and the movie folks were trespassing on CSX railroad and set up equipment on a RR bridge. Further they did not notify CSX they were filming, had not received permission to film there (Alman Brothers film) and along came a train..
 
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Shot and killed someone in broad daylight in front of a bunch of people and gets away with it.

OK Bozos, stop clowning around.
 
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The problem with Hollywood is they are so out of touch with the real world...There is no such thing as "cold" gun to use their terminology. Anyone handling a firearm should treat it as if it were loaded. They have assistants for every menial task and that is why AB is in the pickle he's in now. If he had been involved in the process of loading, checking the weapon under the supervision of the director and armorer this could have been avoided. At the end of the day if you are the one pulling the trigger, you better know if the weapon is unloaded or if there are rounds in the weapon etc.
 
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03Sssnake said:
The problem with Hollywood is they are so out of touch with the real world...There is no such thing as "cold" gun to use their terminology. Anyone handling a firearm should treat it as if it were loaded. They have assistants for every menial task and that is why AB is in the pickle he's in now. If he had been involved in the process of loading, checking the weapon under the supervision of the director and armorer this could have been avoided. At the end of the day if you are the one pulling the trigger, you better know if the weapon is unloaded or if there are rounds in the weapon etc.
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agreed, I would have had to be part of the loading process or rechecked it myself. I did see on the of many now floating around prop people talking about it. If this scene was the "down the barrel" view it has to look like a live round in the revolver. out of the gun the round itself you could see doesn't have a primer and has basically BBs inside it as another verification it won't go bang

I havent seen any official information but sounds like basically every safety precaution was broken
 
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lOOKnGO said:
I remember when Brandon Lee, Bruce Lee's sons life was cut short by the same circumstance.

After that the rules of safety were addressed and not pointing a weapon at a person EVER was to be the actors responsibility. AB was one of the producers. He's not out of the woods yet. It's going to cost him, you can bank on that.
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First thing I thought of, on the set of The Crow.

My old lady had never heard of The Crow, first question out of her mouth

'Why was there live rounds at all?'

Great ****ing question.
 
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Can’t believe there are “gun people” in here stating that Baldwin is not responsible for the gun and ammo that he used and discharged... like yeah.. let’s totally start disregarding one of the most sacred rules of gun safety... always check and know the status of the firearm in your possession....

You always check that shit, even if your best buddy, ARMY Ranger hands you the ****er.... much less some underpaid, disgruntled, overworked ****er at a movie set...

GTFO.... Lol
 

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