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Will we ever see another Lightning?
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If I was Ford I would just do the Tremor again exactly how they did the first time but this time offer the H.O. 3.5 V6 and also the 5.0 with a special tune or something to bump up over stock and just keep it more simple but give it the appearance package and the interior and I think that would sell better because it would be a great performance platform at that point that would make it worth it to mod. Most would opt for the Coyote because everyone knows with FI the truck would be a beast.
When I had mine I was working at the body shop so I had the means to do it but I wanted to fab up the Raptor's flared fenders and bedsides to it and then put the truck on bags with HREs with a nice deep dish. I think it would have looked pretty unique but I traded it for my GT500.
When I had mine I was working at the body shop so I had the means to do it but I wanted to fab up the Raptor's flared fenders and bedsides to it and then put the truck on bags with HREs with a nice deep dish. I think it would have looked pretty unique but I traded it for my GT500.
The Predator engine needs to be Ford’s version of the Hellcat, available pretty much anywhere it will fit. But at a price.
That thing could add $15k to the sticker of a Navigator.
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Do you think there is really a market for a Predator's powered Navigator, Sid? Does that $15K estimate include other engineering changes that might be necessary for the suspension, etc.?
Not quite the same but I have a 96 Ranger with the 2.3 Turbo that I'm kinda doing in a 'SVT Ranger' kinda way.
Ford really missed an opportunity. It is a blast to drive and would have done battle with the Typhoon/Syclone of the era.
Back in the day they had the Ranger GT (See below) If I remember correctly SVO had a kit or concept with a 5.0 H.O in a Ranger.
The Ford 3.0L SHO Ranger Project Truck - Built By Ford
Did not read the car tests, I doubt they did a boosted launch. WIth the 4x4s, you can get on the converter pretty hard and it hits out of the hole hard. In 2wd, there would be no point. Tremor has 4.10s, only ecoboost besides raptor to get it, and it it will just spin the tires to no end. Especially with the torque hitting fast. And this is not just eco trucks, I see blown 5.0 trucks using 4x4 too.
I am saying, the lightning got a forged crank and upgraded pistons over regular 5.4 didnt it? Every single 3.5 on the road have forged internals. Combine that with beefy ringland design, low friction coatings, oil piston squirter, DOHC, all alum. It is a stout little motor and on top of it backed by a 6r80 which a strong transmission. Even the 5.0s see a lot of this technology.
My point is everyone says anything besides a v8 sucks. A twin turbo motor in itself is pretty cool.
That's a lot of fun in my 4x4 EcoBoost F150. 4 wheel high, with traction control and advanced trac off. Foot brake it to about 2k. Then floor it. It doesn't spin, it just goes. But... best I could manage was 14.83 @ 93.38. Mine has 3.55s though.
a GTR isn't a 3.5 ecoboost made by Ford
Assuming I can only pick 1, i would pick C. Single cab, 2wd. No graphics, lowered a bit, specific wheels, different hood, tinted headlights and tails.
As far as the drivetrain goes, predator based engine. 2nd would be 5.0 with a tune and active exhaust.
Love the raptor but one is enough. Enough with the EB’s though.
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The dollar figure was just a SWAG, not really based on anything specific.
As for would it sell, GM (Bob Lutz) had a business case for blown 6.2 Escalade back in 09. GM was just a little too bankrupt at the time to make it happen.
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I think most of us think that Ford would have had a solid home run with a factory EB Coyote with twins. The V6 EBs in my opinion are an engineering statement.
A 5.0EB Would have been a MONSTROUS hit I think. Meh, Fords loss.
Maybe someone can explain this to me, and I may already know the answer, but why isn't Ford pushing the envelope like Dodge is doing with the powertrains they have in the products they have? Why isn't the Explorer getting the 5.0 or a true performance version with a 5.2? Like Travis said, why aren't they utilizing the Predator motor like Dodge is utilizing the Hellcat? It's working for Dodge but they are also heavily discounting products. Ford seems to be able to move their vehicles off the lots under their own power with a lot of appeal a little better, but why not make the lineups as exciting as possible? There's so much more that could be done and they wouldn't need to R&D any new powertrains with what they have, but obviously each platform's other components would need R&D for the upped power which could be costly. My best guest is production capacity but I still feel like they could make that happen and it would be worth it.
I will say for anyone saying "why won't Ford build fun shit anymore", I think the answer is because John Coletti retired in 2005.
This truck came to carlisle back in 2012, its one of my favorite prototypes for sure. I remember reading that it was a TON of work fitting both the 5.4 and the 9.75" rear end into a Ranger.
Back after the SHO Taurus came out, Ford was planning on doing a "SHO" lineup including the SHO ranger and a SHO Sable. That Yamaha V6 was damn advanced for its time especially considering they started with the lump of pig iron known as the vulcan. It's too bad the accessories strapped to the engine prevented it from hitting its true 8500rpm redline.
This truck came to carlisle back in 2012, its one of my favorite prototypes for sure. I remember reading that it was a TON of work fitting both the 5.4 and the 9.75" rear end into a Ranger.
Back after the SHO Taurus came out, Ford was planning on doing a "SHO" lineup including the SHO ranger and a SHO Sable. That Yamaha V6 was damn advanced for its time especially considering they started with the lump of pig iron known as the vulcan. It's too bad the accessories strapped to the engine prevented it from hitting its true 8500rpm redline.
The problem is there is no more Bob Lutz's, or John Colletti's. Hell there is no more Hau Tang's or Raj Nair's. You have the new guy who's vision of FP is endless CuckUV's with ST badges and hybrid euro stangs.
I want a S650 TT Coyote with 2 electric motors in the front wheels to aid traction, That should've been what the Mustang Mach-E is.
Hell bring in Ralph Gilles, but I know that's not Ford's style.
How does that statement apply to the Ford GT then? That engine vs f150 is essentially just better rods and pistons with slightly bigger turbos with more boost.
I mean it is obvious a 5.0 TT would be badass but the 3.5 is made for fuel economy/emissions and power. A 5.0 TT would only be for fun car but would not be a monstrous hit. Engines like that, only people on these types of forums think are cool and only a few would actually buy. An example I use is with GM. This forum everyone said Ford needs a 4 door 5.0 car and they would buy it. I imagine GM forums said the same thing. GM brought over the Holden and called it a G8 and then the SS. Neither sold for shit! They even had manual options. Now, the car game is so bad, Ford stopped selling cars altogether at the moment. Yet you'll still see posts on here how Ford needs a v8 car.
The 5.0 TT would need to be a limited build, so it would already cost more to manufacturer and then would have up charge on everything else. Normal people are not going in selecting all the boxes. Look at the cars you see everyday going to work, mostly 4 cylinders and all plain.
Because Ford is branding it self just like GM, but where GM went full retard Ford is balancing future O emission bla bla and Ford Performance (Mustang and Raptor). Customer that want performance is a cashgrab under the table, and EV are the HEY LOOK AT ME im the Tesla no 2. Dodge is full blown AMERICA f Yeah!
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Owned an original 1993 Lightning that I purchased brand new in Sept. 1993. It was advertised as a "Mustang GT with a bed".
I LOVED that truck. It was built to be more than just a straight line runner, it was supposed to corner and handle too! (remember this was back in 1993 and it was competing against a Mustang GT of the day). with 4:10's it FELT quick (solid 15 sec truck). Revised suspension/wheels/tires/4x4 Pitman arm it again FELT like it handled well.
Overall it was a VERY fun truck that still did truck things (could tow and haul) and totally out performed the Chevy 454 SS of the same era in almost every metric.
Now, would I purchase a new F-150 regular cab that could MATCH a Mustang GT of today...hmmm, I sure would give it a look.
My recipe... N/A Coyote 5.0 with 500+ HP (forged internals for STRENGTH
), gears (4:10's?), revised suspension front and rear, maintain 75% tow/haul rating and let it rip!
IMHO
I LOVED that truck. It was built to be more than just a straight line runner, it was supposed to corner and handle too! (remember this was back in 1993 and it was competing against a Mustang GT of the day). with 4:10's it FELT quick (solid 15 sec truck). Revised suspension/wheels/tires/4x4 Pitman arm it again FELT like it handled well.
Overall it was a VERY fun truck that still did truck things (could tow and haul) and totally out performed the Chevy 454 SS of the same era in almost every metric.
Now, would I purchase a new F-150 regular cab that could MATCH a Mustang GT of today...hmmm, I sure would give it a look.
My recipe... N/A Coyote 5.0 with 500+ HP (forged internals for STRENGTH
), gears (4:10's?), revised suspension front and rear, maintain 75% tow/haul rating and let it rip!IMHO
Unfortunately, from what I recall, the rods used were the weak point of trying to build the 5.4 Lightnings. The Rods mostly just were not up to adding in much more boost even though they may have upgraded the crank and pistons.
Powdered Metal Rods for the time were a step above cast rods without the expense of certain stronger metals. They were stronger than the OE cast rods of the regular 5.4L but they still had limits(which happened to be between 450-500hp).
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