IDIOTS!!!!
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It's called personal responsibility.
I won't bother reading all of these comments. I perused them to get the theme of the butt hurt flow from page to page.
Kids are responsible for their own actions, and ultimately the parents are responsible for said kids actions while under the legal umbrella of their mothers bosom.
Defending a kids stupidity or ignorance is like defending a puppy for snatching your dinner off the table. Kids are stupid and inherently make poor choices. It's the parents responsibility to discipline, beat, scold, or punish them into the ground until the learn the correct way to not be a POS. If the parent fails at that, it's still their responsibility.
In this instance, while I understand we do have an issue with police (like the Nurse debacle, or the guy who shot the lady point blank in the alleyway), not all are bad. And while I'm sure the parents would love to say "if they hadn't of chased the children, they wouldn't have ran and ultimately perished". Yea.. no. It's the polices responsibility to keep myself and my Fiancee's life safe by preventing idiots from doing dumb things like this. They did their duty, kids wrecked and hurt themselves, parents failed on their responsibilities, and it's a tragedy.
Ultimately the blame belongs to the parents. Period. It's called personal responsibility people. Get used to it.
I won't bother reading all of these comments. I perused them to get the theme of the butt hurt flow from page to page.
Kids are responsible for their own actions, and ultimately the parents are responsible for said kids actions while under the legal umbrella of their mothers bosom.
Defending a kids stupidity or ignorance is like defending a puppy for snatching your dinner off the table. Kids are stupid and inherently make poor choices. It's the parents responsibility to discipline, beat, scold, or punish them into the ground until the learn the correct way to not be a POS. If the parent fails at that, it's still their responsibility.
In this instance, while I understand we do have an issue with police (like the Nurse debacle, or the guy who shot the lady point blank in the alleyway), not all are bad. And while I'm sure the parents would love to say "if they hadn't of chased the children, they wouldn't have ran and ultimately perished". Yea.. no. It's the polices responsibility to keep myself and my Fiancee's life safe by preventing idiots from doing dumb things like this. They did their duty, kids wrecked and hurt themselves, parents failed on their responsibilities, and it's a tragedy.
Ultimately the blame belongs to the parents. Period. It's called personal responsibility people. Get used to it.
False. Just because people choose bad over good does not mean they are unable to differentiate between the two.
You are ignoring so many possible sscenarios all to say good, they're dead and throw the guilty hammer.. You are extremely disturbed but whatever. According to you I should be dead as I did stupid things when I was a kid, all under an extremely strict mother too.
You're making an invalid assumption that they had knowledge of the driver. You can say they SHOULD have all you want, but you don't know for sure. Condemning them for what you think they should have know is shitty, end of story.
The driver I couldn't care less about. But we know nothing about what the passengers did, or didn't know prior to getting in the car. Nor do we know what actions they may have taken once in the car to try to remove themselves from the situation.
You either aren't a parent, or you're obtusely naïve. You can't be there all the time, and no amount of parenting can create a perfect child that never makes a bad decision. Scold them, beat them, punish them all you want. They'll still make mistakes.
This incident isn't a mistake. It's straight up disrespectful, cocky, and ill-guided. Somewhere along the way the kid(s) that started this whole stunt didn't get properly checked by his/her parents. I don't expect a parent to be there 24/7, but ultimately a kids actions are a reflection of their parents. For better or worse
do you have children?
I bet 2 of the four were yelling "slow the **** down".
and what if 4 were?
I have a good good friend of mine, that was in a similar situation, and was 1/2" from being paralyzed, due to another person driving like a ****ing idiot. When you are in the passenger seat, you are under the driver's discretion. Period, end of story.
What if they had planned on going to to the store, and whambam driver wants to go on a joyride? Nah **** em all.
Please. They're kids. I dont know a 15 year old that knows shit about anything, surely not smart enough to make life - altering decisions.
Even the best parents in the world can have shitty kids. Especially when they're 17 and are making their own decisions. Not every person that did something bad or wrong had lousy parents and to make a blanket statement to the contrary is asinine.
Coulda been 4. I should could have died several times a youth.
I can't deal with people that want to paint a picture using absolutes. A kid's actions are a reflection of their parents, sure......MOST of the time. There are other times kids, especially teenagers, make these things called "mistakes", maybe you've heard of them. That doesn't mean the parents didn't tell them otherwise. It doesn't mean the parent didn't discipline their child, etc.
If a child touches a hot stove, do you automatically assume the parents never told it not to do so?
Maybe I'm taking what you're writing too literally. But it damn sure seems like you think parents can discipline kids out of making any mistakes.
1) What role did the 17 year old have in this? Were they a licensed driver that had the car and allowed the 15 year old drive?
2) Since this was caused by a juvenile, then the parents are held responsible.
3) The law enforcement officer(s) acted responsibly with regards to public safety. It sucks having to terminate a pursuit or traffic stop, yes there is a difference, but public safety comes first.
4) And it is a tragedy from a law enforcement officer's and combat veteran's point of view.
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2) Since this was caused by a juvenile, then the parents are held responsible.
3) The law enforcement officer(s) acted responsibly with regards to public safety. It sucks having to terminate a pursuit or traffic stop, yes there is a difference, but public safety comes first.
4) And it is a tragedy from a law enforcement officer's and combat veteran's point of view.
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If not having sympathy for a crew of morons makes me disturbed, I'll thank you kindly. Reality is sometimes harsh. There are only two possible scenarios. No one knew each other and got into a car with strangers or they all had some sort of knowledge of the driver or other passengers. The later makes sense.
Of course it is naive not to entertain the notion that perhaps someone wanted the driver to slow down BUT they knew they were playing with fire by merely getting in the vehicle.
Not one. More importantly though, I've been a kid and even at fifteen years of age (let alone 17) I did know right from wrong (even if I didn't always choose the good) and at fifteen, I was anxiously awaiting when I could pass my permit test and then obtain a drivers license.
all you had to say as it was a yes / no question
and good - dont. For you to condemn 5 teenagers based on the actions of one, is asinine. Period. Children make mistakes, you cannot beat/discipline the mistakes out of them, as some have to be learned the hard way.
That being said, 'the hard way' is never death for the innocent. And getting into the car with a friend is hardly an action worth condemning by death.
Punishment must fit the crime.
I was a complete douche when I was younger (did things worse than those kids, including running from the cops in a car). My brother was an angel (completely). Same parents. I was even disciplined extremely well (got my arse beat, etc.). You can't parent away personality, you can only demonstrate what good choices are. The child still makes the decision on whether or not to make good or poor choices. Fortunately, I eventually grew up. Somewhat.
What is truly sad is those who really think these children deserved to die for their actions. Think about what you've written. I know this is the internet and one can exercise a bit more brevity due to the anonymity, but do you really think this "crime" should carry a death sentence? Think really hard about that. As I said before, the police did the right thing backing off and believe it or not, they tend to due that when they find out the suspect is a juvenile. Not always, but often. Stating these kids got what they deserved is akin to saying that someone running a stop sign deserves to be put to death. Our justice has already determined what is a capital crime and what is not. Running from the police and/or speeding is not a capital crime. I understand your "zero tolerance" ideology. I've seen it quite a bit over my life. It is usually from people who have held sheltered lives, never interacting with those they believe beneath them, either in stature, race, and/or religion. It doesn't make me angry at you. As a matter of fact, I understand. I don't agree, but I understand.
Many of the statements made in this thread are.....disheartening.
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What is truly sad is those who really think these children deserved to die for their actions. Think about what you've written. I know this is the internet and one can exercise a bit more brevity due to the anonymity, but do you really think this "crime" should carry a death sentence? Think really hard about that. As I said before, the police did the right thing backing off and believe it or not, they tend to due that when they find out the suspect is a juvenile. Not always, but often. Stating these kids got what they deserved is akin to saying that someone running a stop sign deserves to be put to death. Our justice has already determined what is a capital crime and what is not. Running from the police and/or speeding is not a capital crime. I understand your "zero tolerance" ideology. I've seen it quite a bit over my life. It is usually from people who have held sheltered lives, never interacting with those they believe beneath them, either in stature, race, and/or religion. It doesn't make me angry at you. As a matter of fact, I understand. I don't agree, but I understand.
Many of the statements made in this thread are.....disheartening.
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Getting into a vehicle with an underage and unlicensed driver absolves others from their participation?
Edit: Some of you are so fast to defend the passengers but who is to say they weren't egging on the driver rather than believing they were trying to get him to slow down?
were you in the car?
No?
Neither was I.
Therefore, I'm going to go out on a limb here that every single passenger was NOT egging the guy on. Called 'benefit of the doubt'
Crazy concept, I know.
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