Zero Chance this truck comes in under 6K for a crew cab.
How will Ford "Raptor" respond to Rebel TRX V8? GM lurking too.
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what you predict with the hybrid tech is likely the only thing that there is to do at this point for either truck.
ultimately you’re not reinventing the wheel. It’s a truck that has a wider track, beefier drivetrain and suspension and larger tires with flavored out body panels.
I get expecting more but at a certain point how much more can be had? I think FCA simply saw a void in the market where people wanted a V8 in the raptor or wanted a more raptor like ram so this was a smart and easy move to make.
meanwhile they are dipping their toes into electric vehicle with the ev Jeep and I bet we see that trend continue into the ram as well in coming years.
I addressed this in the other thread.
Ram previously had the Ram Runner package as a dealer install LT kit. As I recall it was superior off road to the Gen1 Raptor but lacked the on road manners and comfort.
Any increase in off road ability will directly impact on road performance and comfort.
That is why both trucks spec out as luxury cruisers that can roll down some trails and sand in comfort. They are not race trucks.
FCA wasn't about to go full Chevy and make the Ram an uncomfortable sales turd all in the name of maximizing performance numbers - aka Gen 6 Camaro.
So TRX = Raptor + 250hp and +$16k
I remember watching that video, it was only better in high speed jumps, which makes sense. The dude who was testing it was a trophy truck racer and was unhappy about the transmission/power and the balance of the truck if I remember right. It had a difficult time holding a slide in dirt, even at slower speeds, he mentioned the Raptor was setup how his trophy truck was.
I think the TRX looks pretty good, it will sound insane too I'm sure. My biggest problem with this truck is if it does sell huge numbers, it will basically tell Ford they can add more premium onto an already expensive truck. I was pissed at Chevy back when the 6th gen came out for the same reason. We consider them inexpensive now but they weren't in 2016 and Ford followed in 2018.
I wouldn't be opposed to a Raptor lite, an extended cab short bed only with Raptor flairs, suspension and a 2.7 with a dialed back interior (but still drive modes) for less than $45k?
the only way ford will keep their customer base happy with a 16k price increase is if they do something radically different with the power train. I could be wrong though
That's honestly what I was thinking as well. I tried to look up the most accurate curb weights but the weights are all over the place on these trucks cause their are so many trims. The 600lb comment came straight from Ram however.
Barely out accelerate it?????
0-60 is a full second, which only tells a very small part of the story. Trucks with off road tires probably don't generate tons of dead stop grip.
The 0-100 is far more telling. Ram claims 10.5, while the Raptor is real-world proven to take somewhere north of 15-16 seconds. That's bus length type distances and not even remotely close. In only 40 mph, it opens up an additional 4-5 sec. The Raptor has fallen on it's face.
I'd still take this over the TRX.
And, it's 4X4 for winter driving out here during the winter months. Too bad they're asking astronomical amounts of money for it.
Nope.
The 6.2L was truly the engine to get for power and longevity.
Its nothing to go gaga over but it gets the job done and they have been shown to last into the 200k range with basic maintenance.
The silence from Ford. No welcome to the party or catching up reply on twitter or any media outlet. Cause this TRX is the Raptor V8 Ford will not give the Ford buyers. Ford no longer own this field, and the new player bring something new. V8. V6 are everywhere all around the world in cars and trucks vs. V8 today = exclusive. It will be the TRX that give the Raptor a V8 option if Ford answer the challenge. Not because Ford listen to the Raptor buyers.
Just like they do the Ranger Raptor. The world want more power but there is no competition in the Ranger Raptor class. Ranger Raptor is King of the hill. So you can have any engine you want as long as it is the 213 HP diesel. 33" vs 30" on the Wildtrak, same diff, and heavier Ranger Raptor make it 1 sec slower than a 213 hp Wildtrak.
Just like they do the Ranger Raptor. The world want more power but there is no competition in the Ranger Raptor class. Ranger Raptor is King of the hill. So you can have any engine you want as long as it is the 213 HP diesel. 33" vs 30" on the Wildtrak, same diff, and heavier Ranger Raptor make it 1 sec slower than a 213 hp Wildtrak.
Just looked, Gen 1s are still $25 - 40k trucks depending on mileage and mods.
Have you seen what trophy trucks have to run to make use of 800 hp at the crank, sent through a 3 speed auto (lol), then to the ring/pinion and finally to 40" tires...while weighing about the same as a TRX?
Granted TRX is coming with full floating hubs (which is crazy for a half ton, but probably necessary for 650 lb ft, 6350 lbs, and 35's), I'm gonna bet a lot of the power is gonna go towards to kicking up dirt and not going very far, cause I find it hard to believe it can make use of anything close to the rated power without blowing up the OEM driveline.
Anyone advocating that TRX is gonna crush the Raptor due to more power has never off roaded from the world in which the Raptor was born. You're paying 20k+ so you can straight line race an off road truck on paved roads, with AT tires........ohhhkkkaayyy. If this is the type of consumer that Ram's gonna pull from Raptor sales, probably wont' see as many TRX off roading as we do Raptors.
My prediction for the next gen Raptor. Drivetrain....irrelevant, as long as it makes more power and/or is more efficient than the current gen while not adding weight, doesn't matter what they put in there. Shock technology, probably won't see anything huge, possibly larger diameter. Full floating hubs? It'd be nice, but unless they beef up the tube-to-pumpkin connection it'll probably won't make too much of a difference. More travel? Likely. I based this off exterior dimensions and the spy shots of the 5 link that's been floating around:
2010 F-150 exterior width (all ext width excludes mirror): 79.2
2010 F-150 track width: 67.0
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +7.1
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor track width: 73.6, +6.6 (11.2"/12.1" f/r wheel travel)
2017 F-150 exterior width: 79.9
2017 F-150 track width: 67.6 (7.3"/9.5" f/r wheel travel)
2017 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +6.4
2017 F-150 track width: 73.9, +6.3 (13"/13.9" f/r wheel travel)
2021 F-150 exterior width: 79.9
2021 F-150 track width: 67.9
Speculation....
2021 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.5, +6.7
2021 F-150 Raptor track width: 74.2, +6.6 (14"/14.5-15" f/r wheel travel)
Probably gonna need slightly bigger shocks to hit 14 and longer lower arms. I'd consider that the bottom-end of long travel for 2WD vehicles, and very much legitimate long travel for 4WD. If that's what they release....
Sources:
2021 Ford F-150 Media release
2020 Ford F-150 Ratpor
2019 Ford F-150 Media release
2017 Ford F-150 Raptor media release
2014 Ford F-150 Media release
2013 F-150 Raptor C&D
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor PickupTrucks.com
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor Edmunds.com
Granted TRX is coming with full floating hubs (which is crazy for a half ton, but probably necessary for 650 lb ft, 6350 lbs, and 35's), I'm gonna bet a lot of the power is gonna go towards to kicking up dirt and not going very far, cause I find it hard to believe it can make use of anything close to the rated power without blowing up the OEM driveline.
Anyone advocating that TRX is gonna crush the Raptor due to more power has never off roaded from the world in which the Raptor was born. You're paying 20k+ so you can straight line race an off road truck on paved roads, with AT tires........ohhhkkkaayyy. If this is the type of consumer that Ram's gonna pull from Raptor sales, probably wont' see as many TRX off roading as we do Raptors.
My prediction for the next gen Raptor. Drivetrain....irrelevant, as long as it makes more power and/or is more efficient than the current gen while not adding weight, doesn't matter what they put in there. Shock technology, probably won't see anything huge, possibly larger diameter. Full floating hubs? It'd be nice, but unless they beef up the tube-to-pumpkin connection it'll probably won't make too much of a difference. More travel? Likely. I based this off exterior dimensions and the spy shots of the 5 link that's been floating around:
2010 F-150 exterior width (all ext width excludes mirror): 79.2
2010 F-150 track width: 67.0
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +7.1
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor track width: 73.6, +6.6 (11.2"/12.1" f/r wheel travel)
2017 F-150 exterior width: 79.9
2017 F-150 track width: 67.6 (7.3"/9.5" f/r wheel travel)
2017 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.3, +6.4
2017 F-150 track width: 73.9, +6.3 (13"/13.9" f/r wheel travel)
2021 F-150 exterior width: 79.9
2021 F-150 track width: 67.9
Speculation....
2021 F-150 Raptor exterior width: 86.5, +6.7
2021 F-150 Raptor track width: 74.2, +6.6 (14"/14.5-15" f/r wheel travel)
Probably gonna need slightly bigger shocks to hit 14 and longer lower arms. I'd consider that the bottom-end of long travel for 2WD vehicles, and very much legitimate long travel for 4WD. If that's what they release....
Sources:
2021 Ford F-150 Media release
2020 Ford F-150 Ratpor
2019 Ford F-150 Media release
2017 Ford F-150 Raptor media release
2014 Ford F-150 Media release
2013 F-150 Raptor C&D
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor PickupTrucks.com
2010 F-150 SVT Raptor Edmunds.com
Yea they've gone up since covid. Instant kbb offer on mine is 41k.
Finally, someone who understands.
Let's not forget the rest of the hardware they need to survive that power level in the dirt.
I still can't believe I read someone say it'll be "practically a trophy truck" lol
Both Ford and Ram already have trucks with the hardware to handle serious abuse. Super duty axles handle sled pulling with diesels making 7-800hp on 35" tires without even touching them. I know I know, totally different ball game and suspension setups, but the factory hardware to handle power is there.
I'd rather see a Ram 2500 power wagon with the hellcat engine/trans for a reasonable price, but the TRX is pretty sick too.
I'd rather see a Ram 2500 power wagon with the hellcat engine/trans for a reasonable price, but the TRX is pretty sick too.
Why? The last one failed miserably despite great media reviews.
While Ford has made a killing with the Raptor. This was definitely the best choice.
I’m a little shocked they just matched Raptor specs besides twice the power.
Glad you said it, apparently since I have a raptor I can't point out obvious facts because I am " hating " ...lol
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