Khan's Gay Debate

[Revvv]

This sums up my views on it perfectly. I have a sneaking suspicion that many individuals of "alternative lifestyles" only do so because subconsciously it gets them imaginary virtue-signaling points. You know, the same sort of points you get when you clearly lost an election but refuse to concede because that's somehow the honorable thing to do?

I am also absolutely sick and disgusted of cultural appropriation and "affirmative action" for any group. It is shoved into every facet of our lives now. You are not allowed to enjoy anything unless it has been properly peppered with someone else's culture first, but don't you DARE touch theirs (I seriously want a death-metal Febreze commercial to play on rap stations just for fairness sake). It's like watching that fat nasty kid at a buffet, hands all over everything, but as soon as someone says something, the kid curls up and cries and plays victim. It's like in order to create anything these days, TV, movies, video games, you have to appeal to every culture out there to a disproportional level.

I'm pro-isolationist. You do your thing, let me do mine. Just because I don't want to associate with you doesn't mean I hate you. You accusing me of hating you because I don't adopt your culture just illustrates that your culture is weak and incapable of supporting itself. It is perfectly acceptable to appreciate culture separately and from a distance.




That's why most of them are single-issue voters. Their entire being revolves around sexual promiscuity (the militant ones that I have a problem with, mind you). You know what my main issue is? Working my ass off so tax dollars and insurance premiums pay for their visits to Dr Caligari.




Everyone wants inclusiveness but then stands on individuality to get there. It's subversive convenience.

When someone else's sexual preferences become the basis for an election vs economic stability, there is a problem. Anyone who campaigns for being a "special snowflake" instead of actual policy should be excluded from any election.

"But they're the first [special snowflake characteristic] to run for [office]"
By that logic, I identify as Element 119. Vote for me because I'm hypothetical, not because I'd be good at the job.

Well said

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[Revvv]

Just some observations:

1) Nobody has said they hated gays in this thread (and I don't believe anybody in here does)
2) The issue seems to be with the militants who politicize their sexuality and the media glorifying them, not the individuals who maintain privacy in their lives

Carry on

...and we have a winner.

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[Revvv]

I think I might be a lesbian.

Me too

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[Revvv]

It is natural, meaning it occurs in nature....quite frequently in fact.

But, that's NOT the same as normal. Normal means - by one definition - it fits in the fat part of the bell curve. No, gays are the tails of the bell curve, and expect people to treat their behavior as if it's not. Simple as that.

Homosexual acts do occur in nature, but even that is generally misunderstood. One dog mounting another is not about lust, it is dominance. The humper on top is shaming the humped.

Humans are the only living creatures that make a point to have a sexual attraction to the same sex.

Homosexuality as a culture is nothing more than a form of sexual lust. It is a distorted view of reality that is acted upon.

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[blk02edge]

It is a natural birth defect/mental disorder, if you think they choose to be gay you are flat out wrong. They choose to live with their mashed potatoe brain and bang dudes. Fine just stop wearing pink and glitter in public because nobody cares or needs to know you are gay end of story.

 

[rwleonard]

Revvv, a woman once told me rape was about power and dominance, not sex. I told her she did not understand sex from a male perspective.

Marriage should be the same for everyone, go to church to get right with God, go to a lawyer to get right with the state. The government should never have gotten into the business of giving ANY religious rite the force of law.

Homosexuality? Generalizing on an observation by Jefferson, if it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg, what is it to me?

The left, as a matter of strategic policy, deliberately looks to drive wedges between various groups, we should not allow it.

Finally, anal sex can indeed result in pregnancy. Where do you think lawyers come from?

 

[Coiled03]

Homosexual acts do occur in nature, but even that is generally misunderstood. One dog mounting another is not about lust, it is dominance. The humper on top is shaming the humped.

Humans are the only living creatures that make a point to have a sexual attraction to the same sex.

Homosexuality as a culture is nothing more than a form of sexual lust. It is a distorted view of reality that is acted upon.

I'm pretty sure that's false, though not 100% sure. We used to have a member here, wurd2, with a heavy scientific background that could talk extensively on the subject, with sources to back it up. Regardless, you and I are on the same side of this discussion.

 

[Deceptive]

Khan’s Chocolate Starfish seems irritated.

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[C-Tidda]

I'm just tired of the media trying to normalize it, the shit is everywhere now.
I'm tired of famous people "coming out". Only people you should be "coming out" to are the folks that genuinely care about you.

 

[CV355]

Finally, anal sex can indeed result in pregnancy. Where do you think lawyers come from?

I'm just tired of the media trying to normalize it, the shit is everywhere now.
I'm tired of famous people "coming out". Only people you should be "coming out" to are the folks that genuinely care about you.

It's being made into something to celebrate, normalizing irregular behavior. What used to be considered an act of confession, looking for acceptance within a family, is now celebration on a national level.

That cultural trend is already beyond gender reassignment. It's like if you wake up and shit yourself there needs to be national attention and celebration for it.

 

[Corbic]

. However, if proven, would you not say the person was naturally a serial killer?

Rabies is natural. We vaccinate our dogs to prevent it, and destroy them when they get it.

Being a Serial Killer - aka Anti-Social / Sociopath is very much a Nature vs. Nurture Argument. We ostracize Anti-Social people and when they show criminal deviance, we incarcerate or destroy them.


Homosexuality is certainly a “natural” event. It’s existed for tens of thousands of years. It goes back as far as written time across multiple languages, cultures, ethnic groups and societies. It’s had varying degrees of acceptance.

From an evolutionary standpoint it’s likely the result of population control. If x% don’t procreate, we keep the herd down.

However, from a classical sense, homosexuality wasn’t limited to just sexually wanting the same sex, but more bisexuality. Plenty of prominent classical figures who where very much straight had gay lovers, Julius Caesar for one. It was all about having a good time.

This was part of the cultural outlook back then that was “Life is the Reward - Death is a nothing but the memory of life”.

Christianity changed this outlook with “Life is the test for the reward that awaits you upon death”

This is the foundation of a culture of delayed gratification and is why the world SLOWLY became less of a an actual hell-hole.


As far as a modern context. I don’t have an issue with Homosexuality. I don’t even see a moral issue that needs legislative control.

Morally, fornication, sex before marriage, pornography, masturbation, promiscuity, sodome, filatio etc are all sins and immoral. The concept of delayed gratifications is lost on people today and the only delay we seem to have is the delay in finding a willing partner.

My issue with homosexuality is how it becomes a nexus of “queer culture” and socialism.

It’s one thing to be gay, it’s another thing to run around in purple hair screeching about which bathroom to use and not assuming ones gender. The later is a societal cancer. I also feel the majority of transgender people have very deep psychological issues and identity problems that should be researched and cured.

The Globalist argument is
Problem - Society is Awful and bigoted Symptom - GQBLT-Sandwiches feel ostracized
Solution - Force Societal Change

The reality is
Problem - Mental Health Problem
Symptom - Individual has sexual identity issues
Solution - research and help the individual resolve the internal conflict or accept being ostracized from society.

The studies in the 1960’s regarding the Mouse Utopia in which tightly populated rat cities had been created to witness the social changes and outcomes.

Funny enough, homosexuality skyrocketed. Many male rats became extremely subservient a female rats began killing their baby’s and refusing to mate or take care of their young.

Now the theory of population density leading to aberrant behavior and criminology was debunked in the 70’s. After all, Humans are not rats and the APA establishes it wasn’t physical density that causes human stress but social density. In a crowded house, as long as you have a closet to escape too, you can’t maintain your sanity.

But my own theory, with the recent growth of GQBLT-Autism, is Social Media has in many ways stripped us of our social safe zones and increased social stresses leading to physiological disease.

Last note. Gay Marriage.

I don’t think the damn Government should have any involvement in Marriage, Divorce, asset division and Child Custody.


Mouse Utopian

 

[Smooth]

I don’t think the damn Government should have any involvement in Marriage, Divorce, asset division and Child Custody.

This.

And that is the difference between liberals and conservatives.

 

[Coiled03]

I see the person who asked for this thread to be created has yet to appear.

 

[Revvv]

He hasn't as of this morning.

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[blk02edge]

I see the person who asked for this thread to be created has yet to appear.

Busy baking muffins

 

[ashleyroachclip]

In the old days , before PC, it was called queer .

 

[blubyu87gt]

It is a natural birth defect/mental disorder, if you think they choose to be gay you are flat out wrong. They choose to live with their mashed potatoe brain and bang dudes. Fine just stop wearing pink and glitter in public because nobody cares or needs to know you are gay end of story.

I would disagree with that. At least in a holistic sense.

There are definitely those out there that choose to be homosexual for various reasons. Including but limited to: attention, to piss off parents, experimentation, or to show how trendy and progressive they are.

Rabies is natural. We vaccinate our dogs to prevent it, and destroy them when they get it.

Being a Serial Killer - aka Anti-Social / Sociopath is very much a Nature vs. Nurture Argument. We ostracize Anti-Social people and when they show criminal deviance, we incarcerate or destroy them.


Homosexuality is certainly a “natural” event. It’s existed for tens of thousands of years. It goes back as far as written time across multiple languages, cultures, ethnic groups and societies. It’s had varying degrees of acceptance.

From an evolutionary standpoint it’s likely the result of population control. If x% don’t procreate, we keep the herd down.

However, from a classical sense, homosexuality wasn’t limited to just sexually wanting the same sex, but more bisexuality. Plenty of prominent classical figures who where very much straight had gay lovers, Julius Caesar for one. It was all about having a good time.

This was part of the cultural outlook back then that was “Life is the Reward - Death is a nothing but the memory of life”.

Christianity changed this outlook with “Life is the test for the reward that awaits you upon death”

This is the foundation of a culture of delayed gratification and is why the world SLOWLY became less of a an actual hell-hole.


As far as a modern context. I don’t have an issue with Homosexuality. I don’t even see a moral issue that needs legislative control.

Morally, fornication, sex before marriage, pornography, masturbation, promiscuity, sodome, filatio etc are all sins and immoral. The concept of delayed gratifications is lost on people today and the only delay we seem to have is the delay in finding a willing partner.

My issue with homosexuality is how it becomes a nexus of “queer culture” and socialism.

It’s one thing to be gay, it’s another thing to run around in purple hair screeching about which bathroom to use and not assuming ones gender. The later is a societal cancer. I also feel the majority of transgender people have very deep psychological issues and identity problems that should be researched and cured.

The Globalist argument is
Problem - Society is Awful and bigoted Symptom - GQBLT-Sandwiches feel ostracized
Solution - Force Societal Change

The reality is
Problem - Mental Health Problem
Symptom - Individual has sexual identity issues
Solution - research and help the individual resolve the internal conflict or accept being ostracized from society.

The studies in the 1960’s regarding the Mouse Utopia in which tightly populated rat cities had been created to witness the social changes and outcomes.

Funny enough, homosexuality skyrocketed. Many male rats became extremely subservient a female rats began killing their baby’s and refusing to mate or take care of their young.

Now the theory of population density leading to aberrant behavior and criminology was debunked in the 70’s. After all, Humans are not rats and the APA establishes it wasn’t physical density that causes human stress but social density. In a crowded house, as long as you have a closet to escape too, you can’t maintain your sanity.

But my own theory, with the recent growth of GQBLT-Autism, is Social Media has in many ways stripped us of our social safe zones and increased social stresses leading to physiological disease.

Last note. Gay Marriage.

I don’t think the damn Government should have any involvement in Marriage, Divorce, asset division and Child Custody.


Mouse Utopian

The serial killer example would not be my first go to. I agree with you on the nature vs nurture. However, it was used as an example on the genetic aspect of the conversation so I rolled with it.

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[blk02edge]

I would disagree with that. At least in a holistic sense.

There are definitely those out there that choose to be homosexual for various reasons. Including but limited to: attention, to piss off parents, experimentation, or to show how trendy and progressive they are. The serial killer example would not be my first go to. I agree with you on the nature vs nurture. However, it was used as an example on the genetic aspect of the conversation so I rolled with it.

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Those are not homosexuals. NO man sucks a dick to piss someone off

 

[Corbic]

I would disagree with that. At least in a holistic sense.

There are definitely those out there that choose to be homosexual for various reasons. Including but limited to: attention, to piss off parents, experimentation, or to show how trendy and progressive they are. The serial killer example would not be my first go to. I agree with you on the nature vs nurture. However, it was used as an example on the genetic aspect of the conversation so I rolled with it.

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As you state, Homosexuality can be argued as Nature vs Nurture as well.

I would however argue that it’s not hereditary. If there is a family trend I’m willing to bet it’s more a nurture issue within the family community.

Two trans lesbian women raising an adopted gender neutral child are going to ruin the kid, regardless of how hardy a genetic background the child has.

Milo Mila-whatever, the openly gay Jewish conservative, argues that the gender war is what’s creating ****ed up kids and young people. Had the correct “gender norms” been imposed on them, they’d have grown up at the very least, well functioning emotionally healthy homosexuals - not depressed, emotional unstable gender confused ambiguous queers needing societal acceptance and support.

(Same argument is also made by Galvin McGinnis).

 

[Dirks9901]

I'll jump in. I've come a long way on my views towards gays, being a conservative in TX that grew up in deep, DEEP red country. I even agree with gay marriage. That said, I think it is unnatural and not normal. I'm not going to hate anyone for it though. As long as what you're doing doesn't infringe on the rights of others, knock your socks off.

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