EPA & SCT | Is the Future of Modifying Cars Over Based on This??

[Revvv]

The journalist is clueless. You cannot disable a catalytic converter, you can only disable the CEL.

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[MarcSpaz]

The EPA's argument is that SCT (and its dealers) knew, or reasonably should have known, that their customers were using their devices to break the law. So if you sell that same screwdriver to someone you know is going to use it as a burglary tool does that make your culpable?

There's a reason all the new SCT tuners are going to cloud based updates, so they can force these changes on end users. I talks about it a bit here:

Not directing this toward you... but I understand that premise and its flawed. There needs to be a specific instance that the seller knew or should have known.

Using the hardware store as an example, again... tens of thousands of screwdrivers will be used as a burglary tool or weapon this year. As a hardware store owner, I know this... but I have no way of knowing what specific individual will stab someone or pry a door open.

It's impossible to be legitimately held culpable solely based on the fact that you know bad people do bad things and still choose to sell the screwdriver. In the justice system, to prove a person or business is culpable, they have to prove that the person or business had direct knowledge of intent of a specific individual action.

Under the premise employed by the EPA, hardware stores should stop selling screwdrivers and tool makers should stop making them because we all know someone will eventually use it improperly. Burger King and McDonald's should be out of business because someone will eventual commit assault by throwing a burger at someone. Automobile manufactures should be shut down because we all know someone will eventually drive intoxicated and cost the lives of 32,000+ people this year.

That's a completely bogus premise.

 

[Zemedici]

The journalist is clueless. You cannot disable a catalytic converter, you can only disable the CEL.

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When in the past 5 years has that NOT been the case, though?

 

[DSG2003Mach1]

When in the past 5 years has that NOT been the case, though?

exactly. The point is still there though - they helped people violate emissions laws.

 

[SID297]

Not directing this toward you... but I understand that premise and its flawed. There needs to be a specific instance that the seller knew or should have known.

Using the hardware store as an example, again... tens of thousands of screwdrivers will be used as a burglary tool or weapon this year. As a hardware store owner, I know this... but I have no way of knowing what specific individual will stab someone or pry a door open.

It's impossible to be legitimately held culpable solely based on the fact that you know bad people do bad things and still choose to sell the screwdriver. In the justice system, to prove a person or business is culpable, they have to prove that the person or business had direct knowledge of intent of a specific individual action.

Under the premise employed by the EPA, hardware stores should stop selling screwdrivers and tool makers should stop making them because we all know someone will eventually use it improperly. Burger King and McDonald's should be out of business because someone will eventual commit assault by throwing a burger at someone. Automobile manufactures should be shut down because we all know someone will eventually drive intoxicated and cost the lives of 32,000+ people this year.

That's a completely bogus premise.

Except when some pulls up to their local dyno shop in a street car and gets a tune that turns off a CEL. The EPA isn't going to allow SCT to claim ignorance. Hence the move to cloud based tuning. It allows SCT to have greater oversight of custom tuners.

This all stemmed from DPF delete tunes selling like crazy starting a decade ago. There's probably a dozen 6.4 Powerstrokes that are legitimate off-road only vehicles. How many delete turners and pipes (SCT used to sell "test" pipes) do you think SCT sold?

 

[Corbic]

Not directing this toward you... but I understand that premise and its flawed. There needs to be a specific instance that the seller knew or should have known.

EPA first test case was Harley Davidson. HD was slammed because dealers would install and roll into financing Eagle Off Road tunes.

Cut and Dry - Not Off Road.

 

[96gt02]

All those good ole 9625OR and 3015R DPF delete tuners

 

[MarcSpaz]

How many delete turners and pipes (SCT used to sell "test" pipes) do you think SCT sold?

I didn't know that was happening. I suppose that shows clear intent.

EPA first test case was Harley Davidson. HD was slammed because dealers would install and roll into financing Eagle Off Road tunes.

Cut and Dry - Not Off Road.

I had no idea that happened. I need to get out more.

 

[Corbic]

I didn't know that was happening. I suppose that shows clear intent.



I had no idea that happened. I need to get out more.

Also considering a lot of this stuff ties back to mating to a specific ECU/VIN - just wait till the EPA decides it wants a list of customers....

 

[Blk04L]

Cutback on regulations on coal, crack down on tuners violating the CAA.

Makes sense.

 

[SID297]

Cutback on regulations on coal, crack down on tuners violating the CAA.

Makes sense.

Guess which industry spends more money on lobbying.

 

[thomas91169]

C'mon Trump, I thought we were going to rid the USA of shit useless government entities like the EPA.

 

[Hunter98SVT]

Well that sucks..

My F-150 is SCT tuned..

 

[SID297]

C'mon Trump, I thought we were going to rid the USA of shit useless government entities like the EPA.

This prosecution was so small I doubt anyone with authority to take action in the White House noticed. SEMA probably could have done a bit more lobbying, but their team is pretty small. I'd like to help them on that front, but haven't reached out to them in a while.

 

[MachME]

It is possible on newer cars if you have aftermarket cats, well built high count cell ones, you can still get a CEL light because the sensors are that sensitive.....how would you go about fixing this if you live in a state with emissions bc the test will say fail/not ready whatever but you're still legal. Not sure what else it would effect on gas engines.....this is more towards diesels it seems.

 

[Dirks9901]

Complete waste of time and resources. The vehicles that have these products installed probably account for 0.003% of vehicles on the road. This literally achieves nothing.


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[cj428mach]

This prosecution was so small I doubt anyone with authority to take action in the White House noticed. SEMA probably could have done a bit more lobbying, but their team is pretty small. I'd like to help them on that front, but haven't reached out to them in a while.

Id donate some measly $ to you to do so.

 

[VNMOUS1]

Holy shit, that's a huge judgement. Better not update your software or your devices software. Its possible remote tunes are in jeopardy, local tuners shouldn't be.

Of course, im not sure how this is enforceable as there are people who live in parts of the country where there are no emissions laws.

It's federal. It applies to all vehicles that ever had a VIN, regardless of where you live.

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[Revvv]

exactly. The point is still there though - they helped people violate emissions laws.

Who cares. The vendor and manufacturer are selling a tool for off road racing vehicles. The customer's action is not their responsibikity.

Should Glock, Smith & Wesson, etc be sues for homicides? Should Rustoleum and Krylon be sued because some idiot is dumb enough to sniff paint?

Improper use of a product does not lean on the shoulders of a manufacturer.

I'm going to go use a hair dryer while taking a shower now. I will make sure to keep the breaker from flipping. Do you think I can sue the manufacturer of the hairdryer if I am electrocuted?

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[GTSpartan]

Of course, im not sure how this is enforceable as there are people who live in parts of the country where there are no emissions laws.

The Clean Air Act is federal law. It doesn't matter if individual states choose to implement their own laws and regulations.

IMO, it's only a matter of time before altering the tuning of a vehicle will either become too complicated or outright banned.