EPA & SCT | Is the Future of Modifying Cars Over Based on This??

[Weather Man]

So if you update SCT tuner and now your tune is INOP?

"Under the terms of the settlement, Derive must stop introducing new noncompliant tuners into commerce and retrofit existing tuners so that they comply with the Clean Air Act."


EPA and DOJ Settle with Derive Systems over Vehicle Emissions Control Defeat Devices | US EPA

 

[96gt02]

Well this kinda sucks, I imagine there will be some kind of work around for custom tuners but who knows

 

[SID297]

I'll see what else I can dig up on this.

 

[TooFast98Cobra]

6mill lawsuit.

 

[Ghoust]

Company penalized for disabling vehicles’ emissions controls

 

[RedVenom48]

Holy shit, that's a huge judgement. Better not update your software or your devices software. Its possible remote tunes are in jeopardy, local tuners shouldn't be.

Of course, im not sure how this is enforceable as there are people who live in parts of the country where there are no emissions laws.

 

[BigPoppa]

Wow. That's huge.

I'm curious as to why they singled out Derive though?

Seems like SEMA needs to pony up some legal support.

 

[BigPoppa]

Holy shit, that's a huge judgement. Better not update your software or your devices software. Its possible remote tunes are in jeopardy, local tuners shouldn't be.

Of course, im not sure how this is enforceable as there are people who live in parts of the country where there are no emissions laws.

Edit*

There seems to be a lot missing from the story.

One article says they agreed to settle, but Derive's press release doesn't mention the terms of the agreement.

 

[BigPoppa]

Derive Systems Enters Agreement With EPA to Enhance Industry Practices

 

[RedVenom48]

After the whole VW dieselgate scandal, I wouldn't put it past regulators to force this issue. And that's a terrible world to live in

 

[_Snake_]

The EPA has been doing this for a long time. Google "H&S diesel lawsuit" or "Edge diesel lawsuit"

 

[RedVenom48]

Whelp, guess who's buying an nGuage...

 

[Kiohtee]

Whelp, guess who's buying an nGuage...

You've been missing out if you don't already have one.

 

[RedVenom48]

Ive heard they are really good, but Ive had my X4 since I got my car.

 

[Kiohtee]

Ive heard they are really good, but Ive had my X4 since I got my car.

It comes down to the amount of real time parameters one can watch and the ease of logging.

 

[SID297]

This has been coming for a while. Some tuners have been refusing to disable check engine lights for a while now.

EPA and DOJ Settle with Derive Systems over Vehicle Emissions Control Defeat Devices | US EPA

 

[Weather Man]

The first wave of people who do the mandatory SCT update under implementation of the settlement will tell the tale I guess.

 

[MarcSpaz]

This article says they have to stop selling the software...

Company penalized for disabling vehicles' emissions controls

I don't get it. Disabling those functions are intended for off-road/racing application. Race cars are exempt from emissions regs. Someone needs to be able to build and sell tuning software for race cars. It can't be that only automakers are allowed to write tunes.

And how can the government hold them accountable for a customer misusing their tool? Its like selling a screwdriver to someone, that person uses the screwdriver as a burglary tool, but they arrest you for selling the screwdriver.

 

[SID297]

This article says they have to stop selling the software...

Company penalized for disabling vehicles' emissions controls

I don't get it. Disabling those functions are intended for off-road/racing application. Race cars are exempt from emissions regs. Someone needs to be able to build and sell tuning software for race cars. It can't be that only automakers are allowed to write tunes.

And how can the government hold them accountable for a customer misusing their tool? Its like selling a screwdriver to someone, that person uses the screwdriver as a burglary tool, but they arrest you for selling the screwdriver.

The EPA's argument is that SCT (and its dealers) knew, or reasonably should have known, that their customers were using their devices to break the law. So if you sell that same screwdriver to someone you know is going to use it as a burglary tool does that make your culpable?

There's a reason all the new SCT tuners are going to cloud based updates, so they can force these changes on end users. I talks about it a bit here:

 

[PC03GT]

SCT is the new AR15