Malaysian flight down near the Russian border

[hoamskilet]

Lots of finger pointing and maybe a strongly worded letter and that's about it

 

[kevinatfms]

That makes damn near 600 people dead thru Malaysian Airline in the last year - Unreal and very sad:nonono:

Only 295 dead, the MH370 plane is still with the aliens.

 

[BrokenCool]

Death roll is now 298, they included 3 infants.

 

[WireEater]

This is a terrible tragedy, but why would you fly a civilian airline into a place dangerous place like that?

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/07/mh17-flying-above-perceived-danger-level/

Malaysian Airlines MH17 flying above perceived danger level
Posted on July 18, 2014 by Aimee Turner


European aviation authorities are confirming that the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was flying 1,000 ft above what was judged to be dangerous airspace due to the ongoing conflict in the region.

Eurocontrol – the organisation charged with managing the European air transport network – said Flight MH17 had been travelling at Flight Level 330 – approximately 10,000 metres/33,000 feet – when it disappeared from radar.

“This route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to Flight Level 320 but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying,” it said.

All 280 passengers and 15 crew members on board a Boeing 777-200 aircraft died in the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine, amid claims of a missile attack.

Malaysia Airlines said it had received notification from Ukrainian air traffic control that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from TAMAK waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border.

“Flight MH17 operated on a Boeing 777 departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm (Amsterdam local time) and was estimated to arrive at Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 6.10 am (Malaysia local time) the next day,” it said.

TAMAK is the waypoint where the air routes L980 and L69 converge over the boundary between Dnipropetrovsk airspace in Ukraine and Rostov-on-Don airspace in Russia.

The aircraft which had been at cruise flight came down at Torez, near Shakhtersk, some 40 km (25 miles) from the Russia border. The area has been the scene of fighting between Ukrainian troops and pro-Russian rebels.

In a statement Malaysian prime minister Najib Razak said that according to information provided by Kiev air traffic control, the location of the aircraft’s emergency locator beacon is 48 degrees 7 minutes and 23 seconds North; 38 degrees 31 minutes and 33 seconds East.

He said that the aircraft’s flight route had been declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) and that no distress had been made by the flight crew.

There has been a tense stand-off for some time in the war of the airways between Ukraine and the Russia Federation over who controls flights in and out of Crimea.

Earlier this year, UN aviation agency ICAO insisted that the right to provide air navigation services in international airspace over the Black Sea within the Simferopol flight information region (FIR) belonged exclusively to Ukraine.

On April 3 European Aviation Safety Agency issued a safety bulletin – accompanied by recommendations from both ICAO and Eurocontrol which oversees the regional aviation network – that airspace controlled by the Simferopol FIR should be avoided as more than one air traffic control agency controlling flights within the same airspace could have serious safety implications.

The United States’ Federal Aviation Administration also issued a Notice to Airman (NOTAM) prohibiting US airlines to operate in the airspace over the Crimean region, adjacent to the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.

It said the unilateral and illegal action by Russia to assert control over Crimean airspace created the potential for conflicting air traffic control instructions from Ukrainian and Russian authorities and for potential misidentification of civil aircraft.

Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko called the downing of Flight MH17 an act of terrorism and called for an international investigation into the crash.

In an official statement, the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation denied any involvement in the air crash: “One should pay attention to the fact that Boeing 777 was conducting the flight beyond the range of air defence systems of the Russian Federation. The aircraft was flying in the airspace of Ukraine, under the control of its air traffic management system.”

Eurocontrol said the Ukrainian authorities have now informed it of the closure of all routes ‘from the ground to unlimited’ in the Dnipropetrovsk FIR in Eastern Ukraine. “All flight plans that are filed using these routes are now being rejected by Eurocontrol. The routes will remain closed until further notice,” it said.

The FAA added that it was in contact with US carriers following the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 and confirmed that carriers have voluntarily agreed not operate in the airspace near the Russian-Ukraine border. “The FAA is monitoring the situation to determine whether further guidance is necessary,” it said.

That will have a severe impact on Europe-South East Asia flights as Nico Voorbach, president of the pilots organisation European Cockpit Association, pointed out: “The route flown by the lost Malaysian aircraft is the most common route for flights from Europe to South East Asia.”

It has been a route avoided by Australian carrier Qantas for several months as separatist fights in the region intensified. Prior to the conflict in Ukraine, there were about 300 to 400 daily flights over the region, although in recent months, that has fallen to around 100 a day. Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific said it had not flown over the area for some time while Singapore Airlines said it no longer used Ukrainian airspace.

Eurocontrol said a grouping of European air traffic control agencies called the European Aviation Crisis Coordination Cell is being activated to coordinate the response to the impact of the airspace closure.

 

[big reg]

Now what happens next?

We let the world take control in IT'S backyard and we lend "support" ala massive weapons and we don't commit anymore troops than it takes to man those weapon systems. Plain and simple. No more American deaths on foreign soil in the name of political agendas. Last I checked every major European country had a large, advanced military. Let them pool their resources for a change and take the lead.

Or if you are a war mongering Neo-Con or someone looking for deployment bonuses, " we need a full scale invasion with all options on the table including "Nucular" and need to mobilize all available assets to the region with troops on the ground.

We go back to the play book for the Serbian/Bosnian conflict. That seemed to work pretty well in that region of the world.

 

[Outlaw99]

nobody will do shit. it will fade out of the media. everyone is scared to death of putin.

 

[WireEater]

This is just horrible.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysi...raine-near-russian-border-20140718-3c4nl.html

This woman lost her brother and sister in law on the MH370 flight this year and lost her step daughter and husband on MH17... wow...

 

[big reg]

This is just horrible.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysi...raine-near-russian-border-20140718-3c4nl.html

This woman lost her brother and sister in law on the MH370 flight this year and lost her step daughter and husband on MH17... wow...

Wow, what are the odds of that? That is just terrible.

 

[OrangeCompete]

It'll be slid under some apology rug, or excuses and confusion. We shot down an Iranian passenger jet back in '88 when I was in high school--I totally forgot about it. Amazing it's still happening. There needs to be a complete overhaul of flight protocols for all airlines, and ongoing military accountability. But it likely won't happen. All those kids dying really pisses me off.

 

[Sick_Mustang]

This is just horrible.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysi...raine-near-russian-border-20140718-3c4nl.html

This woman lost her brother and sister in law on the MH370 flight this year and lost her step daughter and husband on MH17... wow...

I can't even imagine. How tragic.

 

[WireEater]

To be honest... this really isn't a US issue. This is a Europe issue and they are the ones who need to be making the moves. We will be there to support them. This incident really has very little to do with Obama.

 

[hoamskilet]

Agreed. If it was was shithole third world country there would have been drone strikes going on already, but since its Russia nobody is gonna do shit

 

[WireEater]

When you're dealing with a country who has enough nukes to flatten the world and a unpredictable leader.. it's kind of how you have to treat it...

 

[03cobra#694]

OK enough, there's a Political section here if you want to start a political thread about this.

 

[jbs$]

When you have 24 dead American Citizens, killed in an act of international terrorism, how can this not be a US issue?

 

[uh0h50]

When you have 24 dead American Citizens, killed in an act of international terrorism, how can this not be a US issue?

I'm pretty sure that reports did not mention any American citizens on board.

 

[thomas91169]

When you have 24 dead American Citizens, killed in an act of international terrorism, how can this not be a US issue?

Were they flying to and/or from the continental US?

If yes, then American issue.

If no, then not our ****ing problem.

I dont see the fact that there are americans on the plane being counterpart to us doing anything about some other countries airliner going down due to two other countries ****ing issues. When traveling abroad, these are the risks.

 

[WireEater]

When you have 24 dead American Citizens, killed in an act of international terrorism, how can this not be a US issue?

That hasn't actually been confirmed and the US has not come out yet with any actual reports or numbers so it's just speculation. Also, how do you respond to it. Everything is under investigation so there is really no proof on anything yet and who was responsible and why it happened. We can't just go in and attack Russia because a group of rebels mistakenly shot down an airliner. I think it's a bit more complicated than that. There largest causality were Dutch, they were the deepest impacted country. They wouldn't stand a chance against Russia so they aren't going to do anything. This is a international effort, not one particular country.

 

[jbs$]

Thomas, when going to difference parts of the World, not every place is a direct flight from the USA, a change of planes is required. Second, if a Country does not stand for it's Citizens as they go about their ordinary life's, what does it stand for? This flight originated, I believe, in Brussels, not exactly some third world crap hole.

 

[thomas91169]

Thomas, when going to difference parts of the World, not every place is a direct flight from the USA, a change of planes is required. Second, if a Country does not stand for it's Citizens as they go about their ordinary life's, what does it stand for? This flight originated, I believe, in Brussels, not exactly some third world crap hole.

So anytime someone dies or gets hurt because they feel the need to travel to bum****istan, we have to go to war?

Sorry, the rest of the world, to me, is a ****ing cesspool of shittiness. I have zero interests of international travel for this very reason.