2014 GT Handeling Woes

[blackbeast12]

So you used to have a cavalier with a v8 huh? World class, what have you driven to say that. These mustangs have the biggest aftermarket behind them to turn your pony in to a true world class handling machine. How much money do you have to spend? I need to know that before I point you in the right direction!

 

[downwardspiral]

I love the difference in the responses from here to the thread on allfordmustangs.. :burnout:

 

[blackbeast12]

I love the difference in the responses from here to the thread on allfordmustangs.. :burnout:

Yeah we are actually alive here! All fords responses are slower and less creative!

 

[Yellow03snake]

Did they drastically change the suspension on 06s GTOs from the 04s????

World Class is not how I would describe my 04s handling LOL

 

[Yellow03snake]

double

 

[Saltydawg]

I agree, you gotta pay to play. I for one enjoy modding to see how each thing can improve a car. My mama always said if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.


**crickets**

 

[fctrywrkr]

^ i wasn't trying to be a dick, but saying that boat of a GTO had world class handling is laughable at best.

 

[vicnkathy]

Wow, what a bunch of a**holes!! Ok, first off I did drive a brembo car, same crap plow into a corner and roll over handling. As far as cheaping out, I paid $32,000 CASH for my 14GT, plus tax and dmv fees. As in NO BANK LOAN. Cheaped out....I don't think so.
As far as my GTO, it had 442 hp at the rear wheels and NEVER felt out of control. All stock suspension with the exception of pedders 0 drop rear springs. It handled very well. It's not a GM vs Ford comparison guys, I BOUGHT THE MUSTANG with my hard earned money and still very happy with my purchase. It just handles like crap. With the exception of a few people here all I got was sarcasm and ridicule, and asked kindly for help. Well for all the jerks all I can say is F*** you all. For the few that offered some constructive help I thank you. I am happy with my purchase, but at the end of the day my gto was a much better handling car and faster to boot. Also, it cost $24,900...paid in full. Yow would think a car that is 8 years newer and more then $7,000 more would at least be able to take a turn!! I test drove the new Camaro before the mustang and hands down the mustang looked better, felt better driving, and the ergonomics were better. I think the Camaro is hard to see out of, handled like a fat pig, and the interior was just plain ugly. GM biased....I don't think so. I bought my mustang because I liked it, and still do. Enough....thanks for nothing.

 

[blackbeast12]

Wow, what a bunch of a**holes!! Ok, first off I did drive a brembo car, same crap plow into a corner and roll over handling. As far as cheaping out, I paid $32,000 CASH for my 14GT, plus tax and dmv fees. As in NO BANK LOAN. Cheaped out....I don't think so.
As far as my GTO, it had 442 hp at the rear wheels and NEVER felt out of control. All stock suspension with the exception of pedders 0 drop rear springs. It handled very well. It's not a GM vs Ford comparison guys, I BOUGHT THE MUSTANG with my hard earned money and still very happy with my purchase. It just handles like crap. With the exception of a few people here all I got was sarcasm and ridicule, and asked kindly for help. Well for all the jerks all I can say is F*** you all. For the few that offered some constructive help I thank you. I am happy with my purchase, but at the end of the day my gto was a much better handling car and faster to boot. Also, it cost $24,900...paid in full. Yow would think a car that is 8 years newer and more then $7,000 more would at least be able to take a turn!! I test drove the new Camaro before the mustang and hands down the mustang looked better, felt better driving, and the ergonomics were better. I think the Camaro is hard to see out of, handled like a fat pig, and the interior was just plain ugly. GM biased....I don't think so. I bought my mustang because I liked it, and still do. Enough....thanks for nothing.

Ok let's not get upset here, none of these cars from the factory come with exceptional handling out the box unless you buy a boss or a camaro 1le. Both those cars are in the mid 40's price-wise. This means that if you want your car to handle like its on rails, your gonna spend some cash. For $2500 bux you can upgrade your mustang suspension to track quality car. And for a little more you can surpass the boss's handling capabilities. Are you willing to spend the money to get there? These cars respond well to mods, you can see my list in my signature, and I'm adding more very soon. My car now is an entirely different animal compared to stock , like night and day. Mustangs are the best cars to mod , you will find out when you start adding parts. Tell us how you plan to drive the car so that we can start making recommendation. Forget about your old gto, that car is history.

Signed -Waiting for a response!

 

[vicnkathy]

found a good answer over at allfordmustangs...
Previously I installed a Cortex Watts Link. It is a beautiful piece. Well engineered. Expensive. When I drove it I noticed it a little bit. But the handling improvement was on a 1-10 scale maybe a 4.
I have been following with interest some of the discussions regarding torque arms vs. Rear Upper Control Arms. There have been notable contributors to these forums who have denigrated torque arms as being unnecessary and weighty. I do not have those credentials. What I do have is a Cortex Torque Arm, Watts Link and rear lower control arms. I have driven it for a day. Here is my review. I am slack-jawed. It is the most completely trans-formative modification I have ever done. The dreaded up and down of the rear chassis has disappeared . When I accelerate, the car bites forward with no squat in the rear or lift on the front end. Nosedive when breaking eliminated. It is as if I am driving a four wheel drive car. Long sweeping turns are handled super confidently as even body lean seems less. Car bites on hard cornering but remains flat with tons of grip. Ride quality has improved, no noise. I feel as if the cars center of gravity is where I am sitting. The confidence in hard cornering and transitions is multiplied. The car is now a point and shoot vehicle. It is now the best performance car I have ever driven and I have driven several. I am not a rae car driver or an autocrosser. I am not an engineer. I have no specialized knowledge other than I am a student of the S197 and have owned three of them and two vettes and I have messed with all of them. I am blown away. I thought my car handled well before. And it did. Still, I was kidding myself. The combination of torque arm, watts link and rear lower control arms has transformed it into something else. It feels like an independent suspension. A real good independent suspension. You can drive very fast with no drama. Ride comfort improves. I have spent a lot of money on a lot of things for these cars. Some worked, some sucked. This is the holy grail. If there is an argument over torque arms vs. aftermarket upper control arms I don't know why. It is not even close. Now I know why all the racer's I know get a wide eyed at the mention of a Griggs Torque Arm. Damn things work. No doubt.
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[Wicked5.O]

Suspension will make a difference. I have a track pack 13 but don't feel to confident with the handling in the curves. I expected to have to do suspension, my last car had a heavily modified suspension to bring out the handling, but after that it was a dream to drive in curves.

Koni Yellows, Hotchkis springs, Steeda strut mounts, WhiteLine panhard bar, brace & LCAs all going on this weekend. That should do the trick until I get some wider wheels and better tires.

 

[13COBRA]

Wow, what a bunch of a**holes!!....

Easy there killer.

The majority of everyone who was criticizing you, was basing it off of your statement about your GTO driving like a world class car. Lighten up, don't throw out descriptions that are false, and you'll enjoy SVTP more.

There are a ton of guys on here that will point you in the right direction.

 

[blackbeast12]

found a good answer over at allfordmustangs...
Previously I installed a Cortex Watts Link. It is a beautiful piece. Well engineered. Expensive. When I drove it I noticed it a little bit. But the handling improvement was on a 1-10 scale maybe a 4.
I have been following with interest some of the discussions regarding torque arms vs. Rear Upper Control Arms. There have been notable contributors to these forums who have denigrated torque arms as being unnecessary and weighty. I do not have those credentials. What I do have is a Cortex Torque Arm, Watts Link and rear lower control arms. I have driven it for a day. Here is my review. I am slack-jawed. It is the most completely trans-formative modification I have ever done. The dreaded up and down of the rear chassis has disappeared . When I accelerate, the car bites forward with no squat in the rear or lift on the front end. Nosedive when breaking eliminated. It is as if I am driving a four wheel drive car. Long sweeping turns are handled super confidently as even body lean seems less. Car bites on hard cornering but remains flat with tons of grip. Ride quality has improved, no noise. I feel as if the cars center of gravity is where I am sitting. The confidence in hard cornering and transitions is multiplied. The car is now a point and shoot vehicle. It is now the best performance car I have ever driven and I have driven several. I am not a rae car driver or an autocrosser. I am not an engineer. I have no specialized knowledge other than I am a student of the S197 and have owned three of them and two vettes and I have messed with all of them. I am blown away. I thought my car handled well before. And it did. Still, I was kidding myself. The combination of torque arm, watts link and rear lower control arms has transformed it into something else. It feels like an independent suspension. A real good independent suspension. You can drive very fast with no drama. Ride comfort improves. I have spent a lot of money on a lot of things for these cars. Some worked, some sucked. This is the holy grail. If there is an argument over torque arms vs. aftermarket upper control arms I don't know why. It is not even close. Now I know why all the racer's I know get a wide eyed at the mention of a Griggs Torque Arm. Damn things work. No doubt.
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^^^ there you have it.. Good find, you install that set up and you'll be " GTO" what?....lol good luck

 

[vicnkathy]

Blackbeast12 thank you. I plan on using the car as my daily driver in nice weather and using my srt jeep in the winter months. I am doing a steeda tune, intake, and catted h pipe. I bought and installed the track pack wheels that happen to have the goodyear supercar tires and not the Pirelli's. Must have been on an automatic brembo car. Goodyear are slightly better then the Pirelli's I have read so I got lucky. I love the Mustang, and the interior is very nice and it looks bad ass. Much better looking car then my gto. I want to be able to drive into a turn with confidence. Like I said, the tire rim upgrade helped marginally already so I'm on the right track! I never had a mustang so it's why I am asking. I rarely go drag racing anymore...did it for the past 30 years and a bit tired of it haha. I am more into a all around car, fast, handles well and comfortable. I would like a 1" drop, but no rock hard or bouncy ride. I saw a BBR sponsor on here selling a FRPP kit of springs and dampers for $325, plus strut mounts. Seamed reasonable and ford engineered. I have no clue so it is why I am asking. These forums are here to help one another right? Again, I thank you sir.

 

[vicnkathy]

Compared to my mustang the gto was world class handling. I stand by the statement and honestly don't care who liked it or not. I am asking for help, that is all. If I didn't like the mustang I would have never bought it. I just want a car that handles as good as it looks!! ty

 

[burke985]

I'm happy with what I've bought in my SIG , is it a worked class handler ....probably not but its not too shabby either and I spent a total of 2000 and that includes the install. My car never feels out of control especially in sport mode I would say I feel safer in this then any car I've had

 

[TheVikingRL]

Wow, what a bunch of a**holes!! Ok, first off I did drive a brembo car, same crap plow into a corner and roll over handling. As far as cheaping out, I paid $32,000 CASH for my 14GT, plus tax and dmv fees. As in NO BANK LOAN. Cheaped out....I don't think so.

Actually, you are the one acting like a typical internet-tough-guy ahole. Stop leg-humping your old GTO on a Ford site while bashing your new Mustang for being far inferior. Then you might get serious response.

found a good answer over at allfordmustangs...

So stay over there and stop spreading your bad intel around here. Or, ever better, share your theories over at the corner carver site (corner-carvers.com) as I'm sure they would appreciate your new knowledge.

Have you tracked a car before, autox, anything? Odds are you're just not used to the car yet. Even better odds are it's a better handing car than you are driver.

For the sake of others looking for actual useful info the car does not need a torque arm to handle. And since we're posting Griggs leg-humping info as well I wouldn't recommend running around with his stuff on the street. It's designed primarily for racing, not street use. As such it will likely result in a noisy, stiff, street car. Not to mention the thousands of dollars worth of parts necessary for your complete overkill of a suspension fix. Griggs (and others) built their torque-arm setup to fix the old Fox-body disaster of a rear suspension, not the current setup.

A much smarter starting approach:
Buy a set of quality shocks and struts.
Buy a set of aftermarket springs with a reasonable drop (i.e., not slammed).
Buy better tires.

 

[five0three]

try a driver mod. seriously. I'ts well known the capabilities of this car STOCK.

 

[slidai]

track pack tires are garbage. look into a set of springs, adjustable panhard bar, and camber bolts. about 400 installed. as for the BBR kit they would be great you just need GT500 strut mounts to install them.

In what world are you gonna buy a good set of springs, bar, and bolts with install for $400? It sure as heck is not this one.

 

[walked_u_hard]

I come from a 2006 GTO that handled like a true world class car.



I come from a 2006 GTO that handled like a true world class car.


I come from a 2006 GTO that handled like a true world class car.

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this, a million times, this.