They should be allowed to kill themselves but not on our dime. they buy the soda and junk with their welfare, that's really what Bloomberg is trying to stop. they eat junk on our dime and them go to the hospital on our dime. when they have a job then they can kill themselves all they want. that's the point of the sugar drinks etc. I'm not a fan of Bloomberg, but i agree with this one.
Another incedent with Open Carry..
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Yeah, I have actually. This trend has been intact for several years - US crime rate at lowest point in decades. Why America is safer now. - CSMonitor.com
A long time ago a number of people far smarter and braver than most of the people in this thread decided it was more important to give individuals the right to bear arms. I don't know that they granted anyone the right to a worry free life.
Not everyone is willing to cede their rights in the interest of expediency. Thank god.
No, I don't think he was excited. He was probably aggravated. His supervisor told him to return the guy's handgun and let him go on his way. Hopefully, the LEO will take it as a learning opportunity and know what to do the next time without calling his supervisor.
I understand the point this guy was trying to make, but in reality he is only hurting his cause, just like they did in California where up until early this year it was legal to OC an unloaded sidearm.
OK Tony Soprano.
If you say so.
As far as your last statement though,
IMO, Hopefully the next vid the open carry guy post is him getting tazed.
That's the one I want to see.
Well educated indeed, but didnt have to b such a douche about it.
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People need to understand that the Cop was asking for his I.D. because its his damn job to follow up. The Cop may have very well known right away that it was no harm, but he still needed to follow through with a simple warrant check. This douche has the time to video tape and post this shit on youtube, then he could spare the 3 minutes for the officer doing his damn job. holy shit.
Douche bags are right from time to time. But your still a douche bag.
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What do you know about open carry laws in NY.. I assume little to none, you need a 6week course, and 2 permitted hand gun owners (usually cops) for reference, backround checks, no criminal record, ect. So before you go spouting off about 2nd amendment, check with state laws. I do not know 2people with hand gun permit, and most who have them are friends of law enforcement officers. Break it down to its simplest form. Would you have treated that particular cop in that particular fashion? What if he was a felon, who had later gone on a shooting spree, you would be the same crowd calling for his job. The situation was a no win, when mr tough guy wanted (for show) to show the cops how well versed he was.. Ohhhh he just so happened to have his video device on the ready, thisvwas 100% for show, I don't want young jerk offs who are obviously immature, using a gun to make a point. Somebody is gonna end up in the morgue that way usually the civilian. For crime stats, when Giuliani took over NYC as mayor, he cleaned up areas with law enforcement, that's why crime is down,not vigilante justice..
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Sometimes that's what needs to happen so the matter can make it's way to the courts for interpretation. Look at the outcome of McDonald v. Chicago -
Supreme Court Overturns Chicago Gun Ban -- GREEN BAY, Wis., June 28 /PRNewswire/ --
That was a long protracted battle but it has to make it's way to the courts for change to occur.
Tony, I don't think any of us are for gun control.
I just have issue with the way some people go about expressing their right.
You said you don't think the Gov (back then) granted anyone the right to a worry free life.
I disagree. it is all part of it.
If you are telling me that people like this who open carry ONLY do it to protect their right and the 2nd ammendment then they are even more crazy than I thought.
People who open carry do so to protect themselves and to feel safe, there is your worry free life.
So are you telling me that a little old lady who has never seen the guy before sees him carring and doesn't have the right to call a LEO?
She doesn't carry so where is her right to protect herself and feel safe?
Like I said, I've carried and back the 2nd myself.
However, there are better ways to handle it than the guy did.
People often say COPs are on a power trip.
Well, he is nothing but a citizen on a power trip.
I just have issue with the way some people go about expressing their right.
You said you don't think the Gov (back then) granted anyone the right to a worry free life.
I disagree. it is all part of it.
If you are telling me that people like this who open carry ONLY do it to protect their right and the 2nd ammendment then they are even more crazy than I thought.
People who open carry do so to protect themselves and to feel safe, there is your worry free life.
So are you telling me that a little old lady who has never seen the guy before sees him carring and doesn't have the right to call a LEO?
She doesn't carry so where is her right to protect herself and feel safe?
Like I said, I've carried and back the 2nd myself.
However, there are better ways to handle it than the guy did.
People often say COPs are on a power trip.
Well, he is nothing but a citizen on a power trip.
No, I don't know about NY gun laws because I don't live in NY. That, and the fact that the incident being discussed in this thread took place in Portland, ME, makes NY gun laws about as relevant to this conversation as...well, you.
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Here's the thing, this can be debated back and forth for days. The bottom line is you're making a case that is based on your personal feelings and emotions, not the law. The law clearly defines why an LEO can stop an individual, what information he can gather from the individual, whether the individual's property can be siezed, and on, and on. All of it has been defined by law. What do you suppose the intent of all these laws were? To protect your rights. To hear over and over that someone should voluntarily forfeit their rights just so some people don't have to worry or to make someone's job easier is maddening.
It's been mentioned already but it's a slippery slope; if you constantly decline to exercise your rights in the interest of expediency and conformity they slowly, but most certainly, erode. Look at the responses in this thread - "anyone openly carrying a gun should be arrested", "if he doesn't have a permit to open carry, he should be arrested", "if he won't produce his identification he should be arrested", etc. How can so many people be wrong? Because years of appeasement have led them to believe that's how the law works. "Can I see your ID?" "Yes sir, here it is". "May I have your handgun?" "Yes sir". Holy shit, they believe that's the proper protocol.
It's been mentioned already but it's a slippery slope; if you constantly decline to exercise your rights in the interest of expediency and conformity they slowly, but most certainly, erode. Look at the responses in this thread - "anyone openly carrying a gun should be arrested", "if he doesn't have a permit to open carry, he should be arrested", "if he won't produce his identification he should be arrested", etc. How can so many people be wrong? Because years of appeasement have led them to believe that's how the law works. "Can I see your ID?" "Yes sir, here it is". "May I have your handgun?" "Yes sir". Holy shit, they believe that's the proper protocol.
That is not always the case.
How about "yes sir" because I'm being a good citizen and good/nice person.
"Yes sir" because all he wants is to feel safe and better about the situation.
"Yes sir" so that if something goes down he knows I'm on his side.
"Yes sir" because that is how I was raised.
"Yes sir" because I don't want people being a dick to me when I'm doing my job.
And possibly "Yes sir" so the next time I'm 6 over the speed limit I may just get a warning from him instead of the ticket for being a dick.
After all that I still know how the law works.
But yes, we can argue this all day so,
Peace, I'm out.
Ah gun and a car are nothing alike. Unless you've found a way to go to work in your gun.
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Why should the guy do what the cop wants? The guy has RIGHTS and was not doing anything illegal. Maybe the cop was jealous that the guy had a nicer piece than himself.
Why are you so scared of one guy having his gun out in the open when all criminals conceal their weapon.. No criminal is gonna walk into a place he is about to rob and have his gun on his hip for the rest of people to see..
Again I don't agree with what the guy said, but some people need to realize how many people actually carry a weapon while other people have no clue..
If I am legally carrying my gun, and am not under suspicion of having previously committed a crime/in the process of committing a crime, a policeman cannot legally detain me, ask for any identification, nor temporarily seize my weapon.....that is the bottom line here.
Notice there was no huge production once the supervisor showed up because he knew the law and appropriately applied it!
Now if we want to debate the issue of whether or not a leo "should" be able to check ID's/seize weapons no matter what, then that's a different conversation.
Notice there was no huge production once the supervisor showed up because he knew the law and appropriately applied it!
Now if we want to debate the issue of whether or not a leo "should" be able to check ID's/seize weapons no matter what, then that's a different conversation.
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