best tuner for 2012 5.0

[AmazonTuning]

I don't see what the point of this thread is, when 99% of the responses are going to be biased...

True enough. And exactly my point. Use the opinions to gather info then call around and talk to more than one tuner. You will get a good feel for who will be the right "fit" for your goals for your vehicle.Then decide.

 

[mastwolf]

Sorry but the butt o meter dosen't count... No Dyno proof, No track Proof, Not a good Comparison..

I beg to differ.

Its been proven than even Higher Dyno numbers do not = Faster Times. If you had a tune that made great power on the dyno, yet sucked and felt slow on the street...what one would you run?

 

[Z25OH]

well all i know is that AED sucks and the only reason i run it is because its better than all the rest, not to mention the superb customer service, Shaun is the mad scientist...try it or not is up to yall...theres more than enough proof to speak for itself...

Im totally happy running an unfair advantage over the competition:rolling:
:beer:


:coolman:

 

[stang8psi]

I beg to differ.

Its been proven than even Higher Dyno numbers do not = Faster Times. If you had a tune that made great power on the dyno, yet sucked and felt slow on the street...what one would you run?

Has it? Not saying the AED tunes are not good, But just asking for more than I had Tune A and i switched to tune B and wow My butt says it's faster! Show a gain from doing one dyno pull than load up the other tune and do it again, same day same dyno! Or have a car at the track ( auto to be fair) that does one run with Tune A and Than again tune B to see the difference.. Just because people are lazy and don't want to work with there original tuner (if there is a problem) with the tune to revise it through logs etc.. But they will DO lof after log after log after log for another... And than post Oh it's the best but I can't prove it by methods posted above?

Again I am just speculating that half the people on here probably are not aware of how or what to look for in tuning and probably have no clue, But are more of the follower for.. oh other people have it it must be good I'll jump on the bandwagon type, I was just looking for comparisons between Tune A,B,C to say which is best and to why... Shit People are quick to dispute a CAI, but not a Tune?

 

[AmazonTuning]

Has it? Not saying the AED tunes are not good, But just asking for more than I had Tune A and i switched to tune B and wow My butt says it's faster! Show a gain from doing one dyno pull than load up the other tune and do it again, same day same dyno! Or have a car at the track ( auto to be fair) that does one run with Tune A and Than again tune B to see the difference.. Just because people are lazy and don't want to work with there original tuner (if there is a problem) with the tune to revise it through logs etc.. But they will DO lof after log after log after log for another... And than post Oh it's the best but I can't prove it by methods posted above?
Again I am just speculating that half the people on here probably are not aware of how or what to look for in tuning and probably have no clue, But are more of the follower for.. oh other people have it it must be good I'll jump on the bandwagon type, I was just looking for comparisons between Tune A,B,C to say which is best and to why... Shit People are quick to dispute a CAI, but not a Tune?

Have often wondered about that myself. I know for a fact that some have never taken advantage of our custom remote tuning service. They got the tune and never worked with us to optimalize it by providing datalogs and AF readings back to us. Just moved along to other tuners. Then compared our tune to one that they worked with a tuner by providing datalogs and AF readings. Doesnt seem like an apples to apples comparison to be able to say one tuner is better over another.

Tuning is a process. Especially remote e tuning. I remember when I posted about verifying e tunes on another S197 forum. I was argued with and told no way did tunes have to be verified.

 

[faztcobra]

Did you work with your previous tuner to revise your tune based on datalogs and AF readings provided to them?

I attempted to. Here's the brief summary of what happened.

I got back with them upon installing their tune and asked "Should I data log this and send back to you to verify that the car is running as intended and the tune is safe and the a/f is correct?"

The response was "Data logging will not be necessary. If your car drives great then just enjoy your car. We charge additional to read data logs and if your car runs great there is no need to data log."

So that's what sets my tuner apart from BBR. He requested before / after data logs. A - to make sure the car was running properly before he would tune for me and B - to make sure his tune was safe/dialed in afterward. I'm sure some or possibly most do this, but my first tuner wanted to charge extra for it.

Just because people are lazy and don't want to work with there original tuner (if there is a problem) with the tune to revise it through logs etc..

As mentioned above, I questioned my original tuner about doing data logging, but as long as my car runs, they felt it wasn't necessary. I sincerely believe they have the mindset of "one tune fits most". Since it worked on the car they dialed it in on, it'll work on every other car with same/similar mods. After I bought the tune, I felt like I was just another customer.

Again I am just speculating that half the people on here probably are not aware of how or what to look for in tuning and probably have no clue, But are more of the follower for.. oh other people have it it must be good I'll jump on the bandwagon type, I was just looking for comparisons between Tune A,B,C to say which is best and to why... Shit People are quick to dispute a CAI, but not a Tune?

In my case, I followed AED/Shaun's car for months as he got faster and faster with very minimal mods to his car. Then I started seeing other people with his tunes popping up on here quite happy. Then I witnessed great response/customer service first hand. What's more to need? I didn't jump on the bandwagon per se, but getting a tuner whose car is the 2nd fastest n/a stick shift/stock block car around was certainly something. Even the fastest car (10.88) had far more mods. I was impressed with him doing so much with so little.

 

[coyotestang]

bbr and I did data logging on my car after the tune

 

[stang8psi]

trust your car won't come anywhere near what his car runs unless your prepared to sacrifice some things, and or loose all your interior

 

[stang8psi]

bbr and I did data logging on my car after the tune

same.. In fact BBR is working to adjust a couple of things in my tune as well. I believe people just jump from one tuner to the next based off He said she said B.S. Most tuners won't turn a blind eye, Even Lund doesn't do this after all the speculations..

Again it's not a fair comparison to all the good tuners out there for peole bashing them against shauns tunes without providing accurate data is just Wrong, and is Just a speculation.. Fact after conversations with shaun about his car he wouldn't sudgest running a tune like he had...

 

[coyotestang]

same.. In fact BBR is working to adjust a couple of things in my tune as well. I believe people just jump from one tuner to the next based off He said she said B.S. Most tuners won't turn a blind eye, Even Lund doesn't do this after all the speculations..

Again it's not a fair comparison to all the good tuners out there for peole bashing them against shauns tunes without providing accurate data is just Wrong, and is Just a speculation.. Fact after conversations with shaun about his car he wouldn't sudgest running a tune like he had...

True and bbr has great customer service I talk with steve wheneven im wanting.more parts or mods. I buy most of my stuff from bbr

 

[Bad500Chris]

trust your car won't come anywhere near what his car runs unless your prepared to sacrifice some things, and or loose all your interior

I've sat in shaun's car. Other than the rear seat delete and the racing seats (which are surprisingly comfortable), all the interior is there and fully functional.
His car handles and rides better than stock.
To say he has his car dialed in... is an understatement. And while he has spent a good amount on the car. He has cut zero corners to make the car as good as it is.

 

[mastwolf]

Has it? Not saying the AED tunes are not good, But just asking for more than I had Tune A and i switched to tune B and wow My butt says it's faster! Show a gain from doing one dyno pull than load up the other tune and do it again, same day same dyno! Or have a car at the track ( auto to be fair) that does one run with Tune A and Than again tune B to see the difference.. Just because people are lazy and don't want to work with there original tuner (if there is a problem) with the tune to revise it through logs etc.. But they will DO lof after log after log after log for another... And than post Oh it's the best but I can't prove it by methods posted above?

Again I am just speculating that half the people on here probably are not aware of how or what to look for in tuning and probably have no clue, But are more of the follower for.. oh other people have it it must be good I'll jump on the bandwagon type, I was just looking for comparisons between Tune A,B,C to say which is best and to why... Shit People are quick to dispute a CAI, but not a Tune?

Like I said before if a tune feels better to you, runs how you like, and you can tell there a difference that you feel is better, MOST people are going to run that tune on there car. Most of the guys that have tunes dont even put there car on a dyno, and some don't even go out to the track. So your original comment about NO PROOF does not stand, the proof is in the butt dyno. This is of course providing the tune is safe and all other variables are taken care of.

I can show you a car that makes less RWHP With Tune "A" than tune "B" yet is faster at the track. There are ALOT of things that go into some one liking a tune, RWHP and TRACK times are not always one of them. But having one that checks the box in all of the above categories is always nice, and its good to have a tuner that strives for that.

You can dispute anything you like. Im just saying that even though there is no HARD numbers i.e track or dyno... Someone can have there say as to what tune they like better... Be it AED, AMAZON, BBR, LUND, HPX, VMP, TORQ...


Chris

 

[me32]

same.. In fact BBR is working to adjust a couple of things in my tune as well. I believe people just jump from one tuner to the next based off He said she said B.S. Most tuners won't turn a blind eye, Even Lund doesn't do this after all the speculations..

Again it's not a fair comparison to all the good tuners out there for peole bashing them against shauns tunes without providing accurate data is just Wrong, and is Just a speculation.. Fact after conversations with shaun about his car he wouldn't sudgest running a tune like he had...

It's funny how you state things you nor me anyone has proof of. How do you know people jumping from 1 tunner to another didn't get or give the data logs to there tuners to make adjustments. How do you know they did or didn't get a good vibe from there other tuners. There are many reasons why people jump ship for another tuner. So don't speculate you know the reason why. When in realality you don't know.

 

[mastwolf]

Have often wondered about that myself. I know for a fact that some have never taken advantage of our custom remote tuning service. They got the tune and never worked with us to optimalize it by providing datalogs and AF readings back to us. Just moved along to other tuners. Then compared our tune to one that they worked with a tuner by providing datalogs and AF readings. Doesnt seem like an apples to apples comparison to be able to say one tuner is better over another.

Tuning is a process. Especially remote e tuning. I remember when I posted about verifying e tunes on another S197 forum. I was argued with and told no way did tunes have to be verified.

Very true, but some people love to jump around and some times customer service plays a big role, along with how fast they get there updates and overall experience. Then you get the ones that get one tune...there happy and off they go, never to be herd from again. You will have the die hard mustang guys who pay ever close attention to there car, how it shifts, do data logs on there own, and have a million questions..then there are the super picky ones.

To each his own.


Chris

 

[me32]

Very true, but some people love to jump around and some times customer service plays a big role, along with how fast they get there updates and overall experience. Then you get the ones that get one tune...there happy and off they go, never to be herd from again. You will have the die hard mustang guys who pay ever close attention to there car, how it shifts, do data logs on there own, and have a million questions..then there are the super picky ones.

To each his own.


Chris

This would be the best statement so far.

 

[MikeLTDLX]

I have never had any doubts about Shaun's tune. Nor have I had any doubts about Shaun's advice for my car, which has always been spot on. The car drives great and it makes very usable, very responsive power. Not to knock anyone else's tuning abilities or skills, but I don't see the need to go to anyone else at this time. I mean, really, I went 119.42 this weekend on my AED tune...with 3.31 gears. I haven't gotten my ET where I want it yet, which is more a function of a good launch and fast gear banging, but I am certainly damn happy with the mph......

Mike

 

[DIB5.0]

The only way to compare who is a better tuner is to get a stock car. Dyno it. Put the exact same mods on and dyno it again and see what each tuner gained over stock. Total HP/TQ #'s mean nothing because of the different dyno readings. I bet all tuners HP/TQ increases will be 1-2 HP/TQ difference of each other.
Any takers?

 

[mastwolf]

The only way to compare who is a better tuner is to get a stock car. Dyno it. Put the exact same mods on and dyno it again and see what each tuner gained over stock. Total HP/TQ #'s mean nothing because of the different dyno readings. I bet all tuners HP/TQ increases will be 1-2 HP/TQ difference of each other.
Any takers?

You guys are missing the point here.

One person's Best Tuner is not going to be the other's.

RedCandy5.0 seems to be all about the RWHP...nothing wrong with that, and this makes for a great customer because if it makes big numbers, but at the sacrifice of some drive ability, they are still happy Where as you get Customer "B" that will not drive the car no matter how much power the car makes if it does not drive stock. More HP's and TQ's does not always mean, nor is it, nor should it be the only factor to credit a tuner as being good or the best.


Chris

 

[faztcobra]

same.. In fact BBR is working to adjust a couple of things in my tune as well. I believe people just jump from one tuner to the next based off He said she said B.S.

It's not he said / she said. The response I posted from them came straight from email. Copy and paste.

 

[stang8psi]

This thread is whats the best tuner? In Fact all this site has is AED nut swingers.. But When did shaun start tuning the new 5.0 platform? months ago no one knew who shaun was in the 5.0 game. Maybe for the sn95/new edges he was great,he was also the only tuner and the guy that says a factory tune is dangerous and Possibly going to cause you a #8 Problem! I am sorry A tuner that wants logs from cars that have tunes already and than cut them up and revise,revise,revise,revise,revise Etc. Etc I wouldn' trust. A basic bolt on car is not that hard to get dialed and there shouldnt be oh I got a new revision from shaun. After all These are the people who claim there cars are and run like a beast... Than why are you getting another revission, And than boast how much more powerfull the car is this and that.. Makes no sense. Now for my own sake I have Had Chris look at my Log Just because the weather is changing and I am just getting the car out. But everything seems to be fine. AFR is fine, Timing is good, Car put great numbers up at a recent dyno day.

So If your cars are all Badass from an aed tune than post us why. Numbers, times and comparissons from previous tunes, why did you switch, Did you let previous tuner try and work out what was bothersome. Forums are all about oppinions, And it seems There is only AED and thats it but know one besides Mikeltd has posted his times etc..

And my Car has trapped in the 118-119+ mph range also...