NHTSA open up investigation on the MT82

[FastRedPonyCar]

I'd love to see an exploded diagram of the trans if anyone has a pic/image.

Send me a PM and maybe I can stop by sometime.

Andy

As a matter of fact...


MT-82 EXPLODED VIEW

PM Adam for more info. He's the guy who has torn this thing down, rebuilt it and machined a stronger 1/2 synchro shifter fork (which he determined was a legit weak link for the MT82)

Ford Mustang Forums - View Profile: ADAM LOURAMORE

 

[wbt]

jmatero....I have a solution for you....trade your Mustang in for a Camaro. :banana:

There are a few legit transmission issues with the MT-82. There are owners who can tear an anvil up. There are owners who don't have a clue and know when something is wrong and continue to beat on the car. There are owners who haven't had a single MT-82 issue.

For those interested in a trouble free MT-82:

1. Replace the stock clutch with an aftermarket unit. (this is the primary reason for MT-82 "failures")
2. Install a good aftermarket shifter such as the Barton unit along with the bracket.
3. Replace the trans fluid with Royal Purple 75w-90 gear oil.
4. Disable skip shift via a tune or solenoid disconnect.

Out of the many high HP manual trans cars I have driven/owned, the MT-82 is the best trans of them all. I haven't had a single issue and I run the piss out of my car.

I am about as sick of the MT-82 complainers as I am those claiming number 8 is a design flaw. If you can't get it fixed properly under warranty then lemon law it and get something else. Bitching and whining isn't going to resolve your problem and none of us care to hear it.

 

[cbaty08]

jmatero....I have a solution for you....trade your Mustang in for a Camaro. :banana:

There are a few legit transmission issues with the MT-82. There are owners who can tear an anvil up. There are owners who don't have a clue and know when something is wrong and continue to beat on the car. There are owners who haven't had a single MT-82 issue.

For those interested in a trouble free MT-82:

1. Replace the stock clutch with an aftermarket unit. (this is the primary reason for MT-82 "failures")
2. Install a good aftermarket shifter such as the Barton unit along with the bracket.
3. Replace the trans fluid with Royal Purple 75w-90 gear oil.
4. Disable skip shift via a tune or solenoid disconnect.

Out of the many high HP manual trans cars I have driven/owned, the MT-82 is the best trans of them all. I haven't had a single issue and I run the piss out of my car.

I am about as sick of the MT-82 complainers as I am those claiming number 8 is a design flaw. If you can't get it fixed properly under warranty then lemon law it and get something else. Bitching and whining isn't going to resolve your problem and none of us care to hear it.

Tell me why you think I and others should spend more money on parts we already paid for that were new in working order....???!!!

 

[Torch10th]

jmatero....I have a solution for you....trade your Mustang in for a Camaro. :banana:

There are a few legit transmission issues with the MT-82. There are owners who can tear an anvil up. There are owners who don't have a clue and know when something is wrong and continue to beat on the car. There are owners who haven't had a single MT-82 issue.

For those interested in a trouble free MT-82:

1. Replace the stock clutch with an aftermarket unit. (this is the primary reason for MT-82 "failures")
2. Install a good aftermarket shifter such as the Barton unit along with the bracket.
3. Replace the trans fluid with Royal Purple 75w-90 gear oil.
4. Disable skip shift via a tune or solenoid disconnect.

Out of the many high HP manual trans cars I have driven/owned, the MT-82 is the best trans of them all. I haven't had a single issue and I run the piss out of my car.

I am about as sick of the MT-82 complainers as I am those claiming number 8 is a design flaw. If you can't get it fixed properly under warranty then lemon law it and get something else. Bitching and whining isn't going to resolve your problem and none of us care to hear it.

While I don't disagree with you on any point here in your post, I do want to point out that nobody purchasing a brand new car should have to modify it to get it to function properly.

I've long held that soft bushings and a crappy clutch were to blame for many of these issues. It still doesn't diminish the fact that you should never have to upgrade to get the system to work properly from the factory.

If you've added 150 hp that wasn't in the design requirements, sure. But stock, never.

 

[wbt]

Tell me why you think I and others should spend more money on parts we already paid for that were new in working order....???!!!

Do you take your car to the track or run the piss out of it?
Do you want a transmission/clutch that works without issue?

Once again, I never experienced any issues with my stock clutch or trans. I upgraded/replaced the parts/fluids mentioned in anticipation of what I had planned for the car. Real world results are it was worth every penny of investment and my transmission shifts better after the suggested items were changed/replaced.

I am offering a solution to many of the issues experienced by owners. I'm not making any money or pushing parts. I am offering my experience to the community in hopes of helping.

Do you have an issue with that?

 

[wbt]

While I don't disagree with you on any point here in your post, I do want to point out that nobody purchasing a brand new car should have to modify it to get it to function properly.

I've long held that soft bushings and a crappy clutch were to blame for many of these issues. It still doesn't diminish the fact that you should never have to upgrade to get the system to work properly from the factory.

If you've added 150 hp that wasn't in the design requirements, sure. But stock, never.

Obviously I cannot answer as to why Ford has pressure plate bolt issues or put a crappy remote shifter bracket on the MT-82.

I can only answer to what has worked for me and recommend the same to others.

Regarding jmatero....seems his best solution is to get rid of his car. Honey attracts more flies than vinegar meaning his complaining isn't helping him to resolve his issues.

 

[wbt]

Here is an example of where I am coming from for those looking to stir the pot, trash and incite disdain where the majority of MT-82 owners haven't had a single issue:

FEDS INVESTIGATING MUSTANG TRANSMISSION ISSUES - Page 4 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com

assasinator has been had once more for such.....

Sure reminds us of #8 and ring gap issues.....

 

[shadowstang03gt]

jmatero....I have a solution for you....trade your Mustang in for a Camaro. :banana:

There are a few legit transmission issues with the MT-82. There are owners who can tear an anvil up. There are owners who don't have a clue and know when something is wrong and continue to beat on the car. There are owners who haven't had a single MT-82 issue.

For those interested in a trouble free MT-82:

1. Replace the stock clutch with an aftermarket unit. (this is the primary reason for MT-82 "failures")
2. Install a good aftermarket shifter such as the Barton unit along with the bracket.
3. Replace the trans fluid with Royal Purple 75w-90 gear oil.
4. Disable skip shift via a tune or solenoid disconnect.

Out of the many high HP manual trans cars I have driven/owned, the MT-82 is the best trans of them all. I haven't had a single issue and I run the piss out of my car.

I am about as sick of the MT-82 complainers as I am those claiming number 8 is a design flaw. If you can't get it fixed properly under warranty then lemon law it and get something else. Bitching and whining isn't going to resolve your problem and none of us care to hear it.

makes u wonder why they dont get lemon law if its so bad right? Lots more to the story.

This is the best shifting mustang i have ever drove. I have worked as a mechanic in a ford dealer since 97. We have had zero issues with these new mustangs. Except for people not shifting correct. they push down on the shifter and cause's it to miss alight. A lot of people not pushing the clutch all the way down either.




wbt, google jmatero. u wanna see some funny stuff about this guy. Seems like he has a problem with everything.

 

[jmatero]

jmatero....I have a solution for you....trade your Mustang in for a Camaro. :banana:

There are a few legit transmission issues with the MT-82. There are owners who can tear an anvil up. There are owners who don't have a clue and know when something is wrong and continue to beat on the car. There are owners who haven't had a single MT-82 issue.

For those interested in a trouble free MT-82:

1. Replace the stock clutch with an aftermarket unit. (this is the primary reason for MT-82 "failures")
2. Install a good aftermarket shifter such as the Barton unit along with the bracket.
3. Replace the trans fluid with Royal Purple 75w-90 gear oil.
4. Disable skip shift via a tune or solenoid disconnect.

Out of the many high HP manual trans cars I have driven/owned, the MT-82 is the best trans of them all. I haven't had a single issue and I run the piss out of my car.

I'd probably do some of these if I was a new owner but it's unfortunate to have to spend your own dough to keep a new car working.

Just some food for thought on your suggestions:

1. The 2012's have a new clutch assembly that isn't backwards compatible with the 2011's. However, we still have B302 and 2012 owners getting their transmissions replaced. And we've identified 3 different 2012 replacement transmission part numbers since May going into those cars so something is changing inside. I would caution against statements suggesting the clutch is THE cause of transmission failures.

2. Some have found aftermarket shifters and brackets helpful for sure, but we've got a lot of owners reporting installed both at delivery hoping it would stem off problems only to have them show up. It speaks to the randomness of the issue.

3. Can't speak to this honestly. Some are having results, some aren't. The Land Rover and Transit Van guys spearheaded the "what's the best fluid for the MT82". It's trial and error.

4. The other two vehicles along with the V6 powered Mustang don't have the skip-shift solenoid. It's a V8-only feature. There is no difference in symptoms between V6 and V8 and lots are locked out of 4/5 so while it's an annoying feature, it isn't the cause of the gear lock-outs for most.

As for buying a Camaro, my car is being lemoned. Don't know what the replacement will be but I'll take a look.

 

[cbaty08]

Do you take your car to the track or run the piss out of it?
Do you want a transmission/clutch that works without issue?

Once again, I never experienced any issues with my stock clutch or trans. I upgraded/replaced the parts/fluids mentioned in anticipation of what I had planned for the car. Real world results are it was worth every penny of investment and my transmission shifts better after the suggested items were changed/replaced.

I am offering a solution to many of the issues experienced by owners. I'm not making any money or pushing parts. I am offering my experience to the community in hopes of helping.

Do you have an issue with that?

Yeah, I do; I shouldn't have to buy parts for my stock car to work properly, plain and simple.

No, I don't even have a track around here and I don't race. I commute 100 miles a day and don't really have the time.

Do you have a problem with owners like me who just drive the car and have complaints that it isn't working correctly???? This isn't normal and needs to be fixed, Folks like you need to stop riding the Ford stick and leave the thread if you have nothing to give. Read the topic before you post something and ask yourself if it is warranted for this thread.

Go start a thread titled 'How To Spend Money On Your Brand New Car To Make It Operate Normally'.

EDIT: To argue my side even further, I have a 2010 GT in the driveway that shifts like butter, and don't have a complaint about that one at all.

 

[jmatero]

Yeah, I do; I shouldn't have to buy parts for my stock car to work properly, plain and simple.

No, I don't even have a track around here and I don't race. I commute 100 miles a day and don't really have the time.

Do you have a problem with owners like me who just drive the car and have complaints that it isn't working correctly???? This isn't normal and needs to be fixed, Folks like you need to stop riding the Ford stick and leave the thread if you have nothing to give. Read the topic before you post something and ask yourself if it is warranted for this thread.

Go start a thread titled 'How To Spend Money On Your Brand New Car To Make It Operate Normally'.

EDIT: To argue my side even further, I have a 2010 GT in the driveway that shifts like butter, and don't have a complaint about that one at all.

If the Clutch was causing all of this, don't you think Ford... with some of the best engineers in the world... a company that has been building RWD Manual Transmission Vehicles for over 100 years... would spend a LITTLE money and upgrade the clutch in these cars vs replacing/rebuilding transmissions?

If it was just the fluid... wouldn't they just spend a tiny bit of $$$ on different fluid vs replacing/rebuilding transmissions?

If it was a $10 bracket... wouldn't they just spend that on a revised version vs replacing/rebuilding transmissions?

There's a reason they aren't doing that. And there's also a reason the MT82 is on backorder in most parts of the country.

I find it hard to believe in any universe that the Ford Motor Company would not revise a bracket if that was part of this. They have already revised the clutch for 2012. They have already tried a different fluid for cold climates. And the problems persist. Owners have replaced their shifters, brackets, fluids, clutches, and even clutch hydraulic hoses. The after-market guys are getting rich on this mess. Yet problems for many persist.

NOW... replacing/rebuilding/upgrading manual transmissions in 26,000 cars is VERY expensive.

I'm not arguing that those upgrades may not make for a better shifting experience... especially on the track. But I drive a mile to the highway... drive 12 miles to my exit... and hang a right into my parking lot. Not a lot of shifting/clutch work going on there, just like cbaty08. No owner should have to spend $35,000 on a car and then thousands out of pocket to make it function normally.

 

[wbt]

Do you have a problem with owners like me who just drive the car and have complaints that it isn't working correctly???? This isn't normal and needs to be fixed, Folks like you need to stop riding the Ford stick and leave the thread if you have nothing to give. Read the topic before you post something and ask yourself if it is warranted for this thread.

I offered a solution to many of the issues owners have reported and was completely warranted in this thread. Whether you want to pursue it or not, that is your decision.

I am being a bit lopsided here however I am fed up with the bitching and moaning. If Ford can't fix it properly then you should look for another car.

 

[cbaty08]

I offered a solution to many of the issues owners have reported and was completely warranted in this thread. Whether you want to pursue it or not, that is your decision.

I am being a bit lopsided here however I am fed up with the bitching and moaning. If Ford can't fix it properly then you should look for another car.

And if this 3rd tranny doesn't fix it, I will be in another car.

Look, I am a Ford guy, and want to keep this pony; shes effing sexy and I get nothing but compliments on her EVERY DAY.

But what I can't afford is to replace this tranny myself down the road all the time. I don't think you would either.

It makes me sad knowing I have 2 newer stangs and one is just not operating right.. and I am going to HAVE TO get rid of it based on my inability to afford tranny replacements like oil changes.

I hope this new tranny is a fix, honestly. I have the thought of having to settle for any other car; I chose this one.

 

[jmatero]

I offered a solution to many of the issues owners have reported and was completely warranted in this thread. Whether you want to pursue it or not, that is your decision.

I am being a bit lopsided here however I am fed up with the bitching and moaning. If Ford can't fix it properly then you should look for another car.

I would argue that Ford is perfectly capable of fixing these cars. Again, they've been building manual transmission vehicles for over 100 years and very little in terms of design has changed.

The answer is not "If Ford can't fix it properly then you should look for another car." The answer should be "Ford should fix your car".

I realize some of you are die-hard Ford fans and taking this personally and only see it as "Ford Bashing" but if you build a car... and 1400 miles down owners start reporting it's breaking... the manufacturer needs to figure out why and fix it. That's what the warranty is for. I was a Ford fan too. My first car was a Ford... I learned to drive stick on a Ford Bronco with 3 on the column. You want to talk about hard to shift?

And I'm the ultimate fan of this car. I got 2 people to buy GT's early on and any other car out there felt like a compromise. That's why this hurts so much. Ford can make this right and they're hiding behind bean counters and lawyers at the expense of Customer Satisfaction and the Mustang's reputation. All I can think of is that they're putting all their eggs in the redesigned Mustang and are hoping to just ride this out.

What do you think the chances are of the MT82 being used in the 2014? Pretty slim I'm thinking.

 

[wbt]

And if this 3rd tranny doesn't fix it, I will be in another car.

Look, I am a Ford guy, and want to keep this pony; shes effing sexy and I get nothing but compliments on her EVERY DAY.

But what I can't afford is to replace this tranny myself down the road all the time. I don't think you would either.

It makes me sad knowing I have 2 newer stangs and one is just not operating right.. and I am going to HAVE TO get rid of it based on my inability to afford tranny replacements like oil changes.

I hope this new tranny is a fix, honestly. I have the thought of having to settle for any other car; I chose this one.

Any interest in moving into an auto?

 

[cbaty08]

Any interest in moving into an auto?

Hell no.

I almost went out and replaced my old avalon with a newer one, but thought since I am young and might not be able to afford this car with a family down the road, I better get the stang now and save the sedan for later.

If I can't get a working manual mustang, I probably won't get a sports car as a replacement; no others compare at all for the price IMHO.

I am PRAYING this transmission doesn't fail me like these last two have.

 

[jmatero]

Any interest in moving into an auto?

Tried the auto... for a stick driver, it's just too slow-shifting. And now that they're not covering the motor if you tune, it's not an option. I don't' know what to get after they tow mine away.

 

[ViciousJay]

Tried the auto... for a stick driver, it's just too slow-shifting. And now that they're not covering the motor if you tune, it's not an option. I don't' know what to get after they tow mine away.

if you get the money back on your ride then use it towards a GT500 or 03/04 Cobra

 

[jmatero]

Any interest in moving into an auto?

The crazy part of all this is that Ford Customer Care admitted back in May Ford Powertrain Engineers had become aware of a transmission problem.

...all of the engineers are aware of a transmission issue...

Official 2011 Mustang Manual Transmission Rough Shifting Thread - Page 267 - Ford Mustang Forums

???

 

[shadowstang03gt]

The crazy part of all this is that Ford Customer Care admitted back in May Ford Powertrain Engineers had become aware of a transmission problem.



Official 2011 Mustang Manual Transmission Rough Shifting Thread - Page 267 - Ford Mustang Forums

???

all your info is based off the internet? no wonder u live in a basement and are on 20,000 car forums.