The new C&D GT500 article scanned in!

[01L2Cobra]

oh and according to what I have read the Cobra beats it
01 Cobra
Skidpad .88G's
Slalom Speed: 65.7 mph

03 Cobra
Skidpad .90G's
Slalom Speed: 65.6 mph

05 GT
Skidpad .85G's
Slalom Speed: 62.5 mph

 

[AbusiveWombat]

C&D Mustang GT review:
0.87g

Not even the most recent independent-rear-suspension SVT Cobra can match the new GT's skidpad grip, which now also surpasses a Nissan 350Z Touring's, come to think of it.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=8778&page_number=2

Edmunds comparison (350z, RX8, MGT):
Slalom:
MGT: 62.5 mph
RX8: 63.9 mph
350z: 63.9 mph
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/comparison/articles/104196/article.html

Motortrend Slalom figures:
2005 Mustang GT: 66.1 mph (SRA, $25,000)
2005 Saleen S281: 69.9 mph (SRA, $43,100)

2005 M3 Competition Package: 66.6 mph (IRS, $54,000)
2004 G35 Sport: 65.2mph (IRS, $31,500)
2005 Lancer Evolution RS: 69.3 mph (IRS, AWD, $29,000)
2004 350Z Track: 68.0 mph (IRS, $34,900)
2005 GTO: 63.6 mph (IRS, $34,300)
2005 WRX STI: 69.7 mph (IRS, AWD, $33,700)

From my perspective it looks like the MGT can certainly hold its own against any of the IRS Cobras. The Saleen is a good example of the possiblities, considering that the MGT is a fairly cushy ride when compared with an EVO, STi, or 350z track.

 

[01L2Cobra]

A 62.5mph slalom speed is still slower than the 01's 65.7mph or the 03's 65.6mph. Now as far as skid pad goes .90g's is what the 03 pulled so the .87g's the GT pulled is still no match. Your quote without numbers for the 03 doenst matter. Go to any place and you will see they state the 03's pulled more than .87g's same for the 01's.

 

[DBK]

A 62.5mph slalom speed is still slower than the 01's 65.7mph or the 03's 65.6mph. Now as far as skid pad goes .90g's is what the 03 pulled so the .87g's the GT pulled is still no match. Your quote without numbers for the 03 doenst matter. Go to any place and you will see they state the 03's pulled more than .87g's same for the 01's.

And SVT indicates that the GT 500 will pull .94g's.

Your point?

 

[AbusiveWombat]

A 62.5mph slalom speed is still slower than the 01's 65.7mph or the 03's 65.6mph. Now as far as skid pad goes .90g's is what the 03 pulled so the .87g's the GT pulled is still no match. Your quote without numbers for the 03 doenst matter. Go to any place and you will see they state the 03's pulled more than .87g's same for the 01's.

My quote was taken directly from C&D's review. Where are your numbers coming from? I stated my sources.

 

[01L2Cobra]

Most of mine were taken from Fast Autos

 

[01L2Cobra]

And SVT indicates that the GT 500 will pull .94g's.

Your point?

It wont pull .94g's even if it does its not like a stock IRS Cobra hasn't pulled better.

 

[Dave07997S]

Thanks alot man... :beer: Dave

 

[Captain Beyond]

oh and according to what I have read the Cobra beats it
01 Cobra
Skidpad .88G's
Slalom Speed: 65.7 mph

03 Cobra
Skidpad .90G's
Slalom Speed: 65.6 mph

05 GT
Skidpad .85G's
Slalom Speed: 62.5 mph

Stock for stock an 03 Cobra (which weights more) handles about the same as an 01 according to your #s. SVT has stated that the GT500 (which will probably weight more) will outhandle the last Cobra. Every newer generation Cobra has out performed the last. Why would this circumstance be any different?

 

[01L2Cobra]

Stock for stock an 03 Cobra (which weights more) handles about the same as an 01 according to your #s. SVT has stated that the GT500 (which will probably weight more) will outhandle the last Cobra. Every newer generation Cobra has out performed the last. Why would this circumstance be any different?

Skidpad numbers are not the important numbers here look at the slalom speeds. With all that extra weight its going to run at lower speeds. Just look at the 03 and 01 slalom speeds. The 01 with 70hp less and a weaker IRS runs a slightly better slalom speed. Do you think 200lbs more most of it up front is going to make it run faster in the slalom? If anything its numbers will be lower than the 03 Cobra but higher than the 05 GT in the slalom.

 

[Captain Beyond]

I've owned almost every newer generation of Cobra and each has out performed the previous. I'll guess we shall see next year.
BTW were you at the Austin SVT show a couple weekends ago?

 

[01L2Cobra]

Nope I had other things I had to do. If I was I would have easily won at least second in my class.

 

[gonein60]

GT500 is awesome

GM overshoots the Z06's weight. As is now, I've seen the "3180lb" C5 Z06 weighed in as low as 3080 wet.

You're also still supposing the GT 500 will be 600 at the crank modded a bit. Chances are it'll be ~450rwhp stock, so I highly doubt you'll see more than 500rwhp without getting into mods some people won't want to get into. That's before you even begin thinking of the fact one car will have a vastly superior weight distribution with substantially wider tires, with more weight on top of them.

I just think people are in for a rude awakening about the realities of straight line performance when both cars are out.

I've still got my deposit on the C6 Z, but I'm leaning towards buying the Shelby right now. I'll buy the opposite color combo of whatever my old man buys...

You're wrong, Pump up the boost a little(factory authorized) put a Full Bassani exhaust, and a CAI, and you are now approaching 550-600rwhp. What a helluva bang for the buck, and you can spend the rest of the money you saved on the more important things in life, like poor people.

I'm all about the most BANG for the buck, Ford did a helluva job with all the past Cobra's, and they did a fantastic job with this one. Go buy your overpriced money soaked Z06, and in the future when you see my Gt500 at a stoplight, don't even think about it, because all your gonna see in your 80k Zo6 is my tail lights. And thats only gonna cost me less than 2k in mods.

P.S. Your Zo6 will never have the awesome musclecar sound of the GT500

Peace :coolman:

 

[Fourcam330]

It wont pull .94g's even if it does its not like a stock IRS Cobra hasn't pulled better.

When has a stock IRS Cobra pulled at least .94 on a skidpad? What makes you think a stock IRS Cobra @ 3850lbs would pull anything close to that? Clearly in those terms the new 3 link/chassis is far superior to the old band aid IRS/flex flier Fox.

 

[Fourcam330]

Nope I had other things I had to do. If I was I would have easily won at least second in my class.

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda. Why are you still bitching, the next SVT Cobra addresses all your concerns; it's still two years away, are you going to moan the entire time? Remember you still have a perfect 50/50 in the $25K GT. :shrug:

 

[01L2Cobra]

When has a stock IRS Cobra pulled at least .94 on a skidpad? What makes you think a stock IRS Cobra @ 3850lbs would pull anything close to that? Clearly in those terms the new 3 link/chassis is far superior to the old band aid IRS/flex flier Fox.

It was a little car called the Cobra R it pulled over 1g on the skid pad. Need more proof about the IRS pulling better than the SRA look at what the R did now think proper IRS.

 

[Fourcam330]

It was a little car called the Cobra R it pulled over 1g on the skid pad. Need more proof about the IRS pulling better than the SRA look at what the R did now think proper IRS.

Once again: Proper 3 link > Band Aid IRS. Throw 300lbs of ballast into the '00R, most of it in the front to correct for the GT500s blower/Fe block, and see what it pulls. Another weak comparison by virtue of the massive differences between the cars.

 

[01L2Cobra]

Once again: Proper 3 link > Band Aid IRS. Throw 300lbs of ballast into the '00R, most of it in the front to correct for the GT500s blower/Fe block, and see what it pulls. Another weak comparison by virtue of the massive differences between the cars.

Just another excuse for you to think you are right. Oh and just so you know you dont have to add 300lbs to the front the R came with an Iron Block.

The engine starts life as the torque-rich powerplant for Ford's XXL-sized Lincoln Navigator off-roader. SVE strips it down to the bare bones and adds a forged steel crank, billet steel Carillo con rods and forged alloy flat-top pistons. The iron block is then topped with re-designed four-valve cylinder heads that provide much-increased airflow through the intake and exhaust ports.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=157,184&sid=184&article=769

 

[Fourcam330]

Just another excuse for you to think you are right. Oh and just so you know you dont have to add 300lbs to the front the R came with an Iron Block.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=157,184&sid=184&article=769

I know it comes with an iron block, that was just a dumb mistake on my part. I was thinking about the associated blower hardware that you seem to enjoy referring too when bashing the cars weight. Somehow it didn't come out like that.

 

[Fourcam330]

Just another excuse for you to think you are right. Oh and just so you know you dont have to add 300lbs to the front the R came with an Iron Block.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=157,184&sid=184&article=769

Show me a 3850lb '00R with stock suspension/tires that pulls 1.01g or even .94g?